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Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 01-11-07 09:05 PM ET (US)         
Ok, being down with food poisoning for practically the whole week (most of you guys probably already know about it) I totally forgot about creating a thread about this thing. I just created a thread at CBH, here's the link:
http://caesar3.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/caeforumscgi/display.cgi?action=ct&f=1,6442,,20

No more MP games any time soon, folks. Also, I can't guarantee that I'll be able to play when I get back on weekends, since I'd probably have a lot of C4H and real life things to settle. See you all in two weeks' time!

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Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 01-18-07 07:01 PM ET (US)     26 / 59       
Wow - missed this. Good luck, man!

DR LORENZO
AoEH | Woad Creations Alumni
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I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 01-26-07 02:36 PM ET (US)     27 / 59       
Hi I'm back, folks. Read the C4H thread for more updates.

I'm surprised that no one here knows about this at all - conscription is compulsory for all able-bodied men above 18 here.

GeorgeROR
Guest
posted 01-26-07 02:47 PM ET (US)     28 / 59       
how about able-minded? he he Anyway, glad always to see some green around here, luv it

G1ggy
Clubman
posted 01-26-07 06:38 PM ET (US)     29 / 59       

Quote:

conscription is compulsory for all able-bodied men above 18 here

faking stupidity is fun...of course we knew!

Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 01-27-07 10:22 PM ET (US)     30 / 59       
I just added a couple of photos... feel free to point and laugh at my hair.
G1ggy
Clubman
posted 01-27-07 11:54 PM ET (US)     31 / 59       

LOL!

Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 01-28-07 05:42 AM ET (US)     32 / 59       
I'm booking back in in a couple of hours. Cya all around next week. Sigh, it's really hard to get a proper life during the weekends - too little time.
The Dark Archer
HG Alumnus
posted 01-28-07 05:54 AM ET (US)     33 / 59       
lol. It was good to see you anyway man.

The Dark Archer

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Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 01-28-07 06:53 AM ET (US)     34 / 59       
Always a pleasure to have you, man Don't be a stranger.

DR LORENZO
AoEH | Woad Creations Alumni
I of course meant bastard in a positive way! - Kor
I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
Alakazam
Clubman
posted 01-28-07 07:04 AM ET (US)     35 / 59       
Welcome back to the world man.

So what happens now?

Don't worry about your hair mate, I thought you meant shaved bald. I personally have my hair very similar to that. Give or take an inch. Besides, it'll grow back eh?


A L A K A Z A M

[This message has been edited by Alakazam (edited 01-28-2007 @ 07:16 AM).]

Nikokol
Clubman
posted 01-28-07 08:45 AM ET (US)     36 / 59       
My hair looks like a nest, so don't worry

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I wish my English was better ...
McCloudDash91
Clubman
posted 01-28-07 09:00 PM ET (US)     37 / 59       
Hm, i actually dont see a problem with that hairstyle.
alot of people here have that, even in the winter..*coughinsanecough* And fear not, my hair is worse. Although i'm in need of a cut anyway...

Try not to work too much DX, have a little fun here sometimes too


~ Fox

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The Legend of Assyria | Honor of a Samurai {prelude}

Alakazam
Clubman
posted 01-29-07 10:24 AM ET (US)     38 / 59       

Quote:

alot of people here have that, even in the winter..*coughinsanecough*

Makes you wonder doesn't it? Your winter must be a lot worse than ours. We had SNOW for the first time in 3 years last week!

And it's not really cold here either.

EDIT: This was the 124,000th post in AoE Heaven.


A L A K A Z A M

[This message has been edited by Alakazam (edited 01-29-2007 @ 10:25 AM).]

McCloudDash91
Clubman
posted 01-29-07 05:50 PM ET (US)     39 / 59       
We get a high of about 0 C [32 F for all us stupid americans] here, the low can get down to even -10 C on really cold nights [again, about 10 F]. It usually snows alot, sadly never enough for a snow day

But on those really cold days, we get to run inside. Yay for the cold.


~ Fox

Tribulation Designs - AoE's one and only master design team.

The Legend of Assyria | Honor of a Samurai {prelude}

Urbackyard
Clubman
posted 01-30-07 02:20 AM ET (US)     40 / 59       
Overall I like summer better. Winter would be fun to have snow fights and do stuff in the snow, but it don't snow in NZ, well, not where I live anyway. Summer is just like winter, only hotter.

Whadup?
G1ggy
Clubman
posted 01-30-07 03:38 AM ET (US)     41 / 59       

Quote:

I personally have my hair very similar to that. Give or take an inch

Out of your own free will? LOL! *prefers winter, has moderately long hair, wants convo to get back on topic*

Urbackyard
Clubman
posted 01-31-07 02:02 AM ET (US)     42 / 59       
Okay then. Good luck DX. Have fun...again.

Whadup?
Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 06-02-07 02:52 PM ET (US)     43 / 59       
Ok, I thought that it'd be a good idea to update everyone on my army life. Without knowing it, my goodness, five months have already passed.

Anyway, my basic military training (BMT) phase ended in March (13th to be precise). I was posted to the School of Infantry Specialists (SISPEC) for a 10-week section leader course. I couldn't make it into the Officer Cadet School, probably because I wasn't physically fit enough or something.

Life in SISPEC was pretty sucky at times, because there was just so many things to do and learn, yet so little time available. The administrative planning was screwed up, and many of my platoon mates were of such poor calibre and character, I felt ashamed being with them. The only good thing in there was probably the fact that I got into the 'welfare' company, so life was still okay.

We learnt how to handle new weaponry, topography, some basic infantry operations, and got screwed upside down by our commanders pretty often. The course ended only this week. We had a 28km route march on Tuesday night (9.30pm), which ended the next morning at 6am. Right after that was a graduation parade, which saw us all getting promoted to corporals.

Here're some photos I took only this week... cameras are contraband in the camp, so I'm putting myself at risk posting them here. But ah... to heck with it! Just please don't distribute them anywhere, ok? (Thanks)

Slackers
My section mates slacking early in the morning after breakfast. The vacant bed by the window is mine.

Relax...
Yet another uneventful afternoon... everyone's just waiting for further instructions and lazing around.

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A section photo. I'm second from the left.

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Last but not least... my personal weapon (a SAR-21 rifle). Cool ain't it?

I was posted to signals, so I'm reporting to my new unit this coming Monday morning. Pah... hardly any time for a break.

[This message has been edited by Duan Xuan (edited 06-10-2007 @ 04:08 AM).]

GeorgeROR
Guest
posted 06-02-07 03:15 PM ET (US)     44 / 59       
why don't you all sleep outside? too much fresh air? Also could you get us a picture of your drill sargent? really you should remove them before monday

Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 06-02-07 09:45 PM ET (US)     45 / 59       
Drill sargent? What's that?...

We had three weeks of outfield during the course, so we don't always sleep in our bunks. I agree, air is fresher outside, and I love staying out in the forest. Serious.
GeorgeROR
Guest
posted 06-02-07 10:01 PM ET (US)     46 / 59       
Basically some sort ofnoncommissioned officer who instructs recruits in military marching and discipline. Unless this is one of those camps where you get smiley faces for anything 'positive'...

G1ggy
Clubman
posted 06-03-07 00:24 AM ET (US)     47 / 59       
cameras are contraband in the camp, so I'm putting myself at risk posting them here. But ah... to heck with it! Just please don't distribute them anywhere, ok?
Don't let Dean see this topic then

Drill sergeant = The guy who runs all the drills, training, and other "learn to kill" stuff. But taking a photo of him would be VERY dangerous
ES_Archangel
Big Daddy
posted 06-03-07 01:08 AM ET (US)     48 / 59       
Duan Xuan

This ia your life and your decision, don't let others degrade you choice.

for other, this has always been a Hot Topic for me. So I am going to roll one down the middle of the lane here;

As for choice in talking about American wars, this refers only to those of voting age and THOSE that voted (US Citizens). If you voted or choose not to vote, you are responsible for the government we have today and the policies we live with day to day. Either thru the Primaries or elections of either parties at any level (City to President), choosing the right person from even your own party was your choice and yours alone. And if you didn't vote, well you have no voice that was heard then, and should not be heard now after the fact.

As with any State in this world US doesn't get permission from another states to take what course its elected government chooses. As neither does NZ, England, Canada, Germany, or the 150 plus other governments sharing this planet.

As for those under voting age (US Citizens), this is still a land of freedom of choice. Maybe a little history on the armed forces of US might be helpful and not a five minute news item on CNN. Each armed forces has save thousands of American Citizens and other Nationals that disregard State Department Travel Warnings about travel to certain world States. Who goes in to get them out? Not you. The USN, USA and special forces thats who. And being Americans their sue the government for airfare for first class fare back to the USA.

Duan Xuan made his choice for his country. It was the military. For those that look down on the military. How many of you have spend half your weekends each year helping the Homeless? in Soup Kitchens? In Hospitals? Going house to house for Toys for Tots. Which for the mislead was a program started decades ago by the USMC!. Its the USMC that does the work, look for them in the background of the TV Cameras, doing their job and working nights and weekends for kids that really go needless. All the while making less that a fair paycheck.

These men and woman do things like this for a higher calling, some of which many of you will never understand.

My son is a Captain in the USAF, 4th Tour in Iraq. He loves his job, and has a bound with his men that is strong. He doesn't think about if the war is just or not. Is concern is bring home his men to their wifes and children in one piece. He's not a fighter jock, he in Intel, running up to the minute intel to the patrols. Not a place a father wants a son at or doing. But its was his choice, and he doing it to keep another American soldiers alive so they can see their families again.

Myself I spent 26 years as a Senior Chief Telecommunications Specialist (Radioman in the old days) in the US Coast Guard. In those years I passed on thousands of distress calls to small boats, Helios, and planes. I can't remember the names of any of them. The ones I can remember are the ones that caused a Coast Guardsmen life, because they disregard small craft warnings. Or oh so many that failed to carry the equipment needed to be on the water. Hope you never have to heard children crying for help because their fathers and mothers failed to have life jackets for them. And pray to hell your not the young man or woman that picks up the bodies the next day. Its not TV or a game, its life and I haven't seen anyone yet no react to it. No matter how much of a man you think you are in your own mind.

As for soldiers of other nations I have be lucky enough to meet some from, AZ (Station in Barrow, AK for a project after Nam), Russian Military (FriendShip Team up), Nato (ex). They all have something in common, a bound with their fellow teammates, that goes beyond the job. Something I have seen very little off in Civilian life in the last 11 years.

You should be supporting you Friends in the military. They are the last ones that want to go to war. If you want to blame someone blame yourself, it was your voting record or non voting record that gave us the government we have. Don't repeat the great minds of the collage educated that welcome soldiers back from Nam with tomato's and stones. They were smart to be rich to get out of the draft and dumb enough not to learn how our government works. Maybe thats why 40 years later we have a government like we do {?}.

If I sounded a little harsh, well flame me, but its my opinion, also IMO Duan Xuan was sharing something special to him with the people he likes, and I doubt he meant it to be a discussion on views on the President of the US, or the Gulf War.

Duan Xuan stay out of trouble, or at least don't get caught, and if you do, at (the sea services call it) "Captains Mast" admit it and take the punishment. You will get more respect for it in the long run, than lying. At the same time showing responsibility for your own actions and those men and woman you are responsible for.

Take that advice from someone that was busted twice and still made E-8 .

- Archangel
Bismarck
Clubman
posted 06-03-07 06:05 AM ET (US)     49 / 59       
I have great respect for those who serve in the armed forces. But in my opinion you can also help people around you without a gun in your hands.
In Germany it's called "Civil Service" (Zivildienst) and it has become backbone for many charity organisations, hospitals and such. Since we have conscription here, unless you are found to be unfit for military service you have the option of choosing to do civil service- it isn't all too easy though, you have to hand in an essay on why you don't want to go to the army.
If your application is approved, you will have to spend 9 months working in an establishment which is approved by the government.
As for me, I will start my civil service this october in a children's hospital. I get the same pay as in the army, and I can do something good for society without having to learn how to kill people
And of course, I will be able to make as many pictures as you like- and I'll be allowed to legally post them here, too . Just remind me in a few months...

And as for discipline, I think I get my fair share of it in the local footy club

Don't fear
Drink Beer!
ES_Archangel
Big Daddy
posted 06-11-07 09:31 PM ET (US)     50 / 59       
Bismarck,

I think Germany has one of the best systems. I wish the US would employ the same type of program. IMO it seems more fair to everyone and give you a choice and more importantly;

A better understanding of the world around you. Even in the smallest of ways. If in the US you spend a couple of months picking up trash on the roadsides, you would be less likely later in life to litter the highways and byways.

Or if you spray paints walls, and then spent your time cleaning them, just maybe the next time you might think twice about doing it yourself or talking you friends out of such childish acts. Acts like these seem harmless to many, but cleanup costs, cost to tourists to your cities, etc add up to multi millions in the US, which could be better used for health care and the homeless.

Then on the flip side, when the government orders a cruise missile fired, lives are lost and a Million plus dollars gone, that could have used for benefit of the people of the US or so lets us the millions that die of war or lack or food and water in central/southern Africa.

A mistake of every nation in the world today. Is Africa, a 100 die in a war Southern Euro or middle east there is world wide out rage from some party or another other. 10,000 children and mothers die per day in Africa and its doesn't even make the a 30 second spot on TV News or Cable or the Local News Stands.

What little UN forces there are station there, are bound by so my laws they are policemen with out power to even stop crimes of the worse nature and torture on they own door steps.

Just think what a multi national force Lead my the Brit's (Yes the Brits - the Country that fought the longest in WW II and suffered the longest and didn't give up), with US, Germany, French (unlikely), Russian, China, and Arab nations, follow Quickly with Doctors, Food, Construction works, and even a new currency system based on the Euro or even a new Africa Common Euro type system. Could do in a matter of a couple of years.

No big state of nation companies to win contacts to rebuild all local companies, with free businessmen support for all supporting nations for reconstruction. NO more multi national companies sucking 75% of Reconstruction money of the top. Build Farms, Dig Wells, store water.

Years ago in the US we used to have the America Peace Corps, now its more of a business. But based on a new international Peace for the World system, young people of all ages could volunteer to spend a year or six months in Africa, helping out. You may be living in tents and not shower but once a week, but half you that is the norm now .

Even at my age, that still sounds like an Adventure, and who doesn't want an adventure in another land to talk about to their kids or to impress so cutie down the street ?

And when you get back home, it will give you a different outlook of the world around you.

As a closer, any country on this program would have a some kind of arms programs for civilians, military and the police for tight control of weapons. And like Japan after WW II have a no war policy. At the same time become a Protected Country under a Africa Treaty of Nations. That when attack. No UN Debate teams, over powering swift and complete action will be take against the attacking nation or nations.

... So much of my dream world ....
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