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Sasuna
Clubman
posted 04-30-12 03:07 AM ET (US)         
so has anyone ever had the Computer ally you in game? well today while playing it had happened to me.

of course this was when i was designing my campaign that is coming along great, i was minoan an the com was hittite, they were neutral in diplomacy originally an i had taken a few war gelleys up to the enemy red, an encountered hittite there an he fired once at me an it told me he changed his diplomacy to ally to me i did the same an upon discovering writing sure enough we were allies.

has this happened to anyone else before?
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Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 04-30-12 12:03 PM ET (US)     1 / 26       
That is unusual...to be honest that has never happened to me...
Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 04-30-12 03:10 PM ET (US)     2 / 26       
Yeah, at some points attacking neutral players will cause them to ally you, I have no idea why.

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jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 04-30-12 05:28 PM ET (US)     3 / 26       
It's actually fairly common. If you accidentally attack your ally (i.e. you fire a catapult and they get caught by the blast radius), it'll switch you to enemy.

I find it actually pretty okay. It would seem to represent nations teaming up, then turning on each other when it suited them. This tended to happen in real life. The only thing is you can't get the AI to check its Allied Victory box, which would be nice because you would have one less enemy to deal with, if you could hold an ally until the end.

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[This message has been edited by jordanthejq12 (edited 04-30-2012 @ 05:28 PM).]

ES_MattP
Big Daddy
posted 04-30-12 06:38 PM ET (US)     4 / 26       
Going from memory here...

When you start a single player game of AoE/RoR and don't lock the Computer players to a team, watch the messages at the start of the game. Most of them will set their stance as your enemy. However, usually one will not. If you give some tribute to that one, it should become your ally. That was a deliberate feature, but I think it was not documented. Because no one noticed it, the system was changed for AoK, where a CP will tell you right at the start that if you can get it to ally with you (but it might be bluffing just to extract tribute from you).
Sasuna
Clubman
posted 05-01-12 07:20 AM ET (US)     5 / 26       
that is very interesting i didnt know that, that could definitely be helpful in a campaign if done correctly ill have to experiment with it. an let you know what i find out!
DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-01-12 11:29 AM ET (US)     6 / 26       
Can't tell you how many times I've lost an alliance with a computer because one of his units got into my catapult's blast radius. I always wished for an option to turn off friendly fire for that reason or AI that could discern between intentional/unintentional attacks.
Sasuna
Clubman
posted 05-01-12 12:03 PM ET (US)     7 / 26       
yea i understand that... but i doubt there is any way around that, it could be hard to tell intentional from unintentional at least for the computer. but who knows maybe a mod can be done to that but like i said i doubt it, that is probably coded into the game an unchangeable.
DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-02-12 05:29 AM ET (US)     8 / 26       
As far as discernment is concerned just have the AI run a check every time it gets damaged to see if the player unit that did that area of effect damage was targeting it at the time or if it was targeting one of the players enemies.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 05-02-12 05:37 PM ET (US)     9 / 26       
It's actually fairly common. If you accidentally attack your ally (i.e. you fire a catapult and they get caught by the blast radius), it'll switch you to enemy.
yes it is common for an ally to become and enemy, but not for a neutral/enemy, to become an ally I guess that's the point of this thread
Sasuna
Clubman
posted 05-03-12 02:41 AM ET (US)     10 / 26       
would that even be possible to write that cyrix? considering this part of the game i am sure is written deep enough in the actual code of the game it cant be changed. unless it is possible to write a mod for it maybe.

i cant code yet, what code does aoe ror use?
an can it be modded to do that possibly?

an true it isnt common for them to go to ally at all at any point.
im hoping i can get this to workout more, maybe this has to go along with it's learning capabilities? who knows, something to be looked into i think, maybe a few mods can be made for these aspect once we understand it more.
DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-03-12 03:00 AM ET (US)     11 / 26       
No, I wouldn't know how to do that. Don't think it's possible either. I'm just thinking out loud. :P
Sasuna
Clubman
posted 05-04-12 10:43 AM ET (US)     12 / 26       
an i dont think it can be changed though when i learn to code i will look into it for sure.

if anyone else knows please say something. it would be nice to be able to alter this in the game.
jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 05-04-12 03:53 PM ET (US)     13 / 26       
Quoted from ESMattP:
When you start a single player game of AoE/RoR and don't lock the Computer players to a team, watch the messages at the start of the game. Most of them will set their stance as your enemy. However, usually one will not. If you give some tribute to that one, it should become your ally. That was a deliberate feature, but I think it was not documented.
You mean you meant to do that? Boy, would it have been helpful to know that.

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anterior2
Scenario Design Expert
posted 05-05-12 06:02 AM ET (US)     14 / 26       
When you start a single player game of AoE/RoR and don't lock the Computer players to a team, watch the messages at the start of the game. Most of them will set their stance as your enemy. However, usually one will not. If you give some tribute to that one, it should become your ally. That was a deliberate feature, but I think it was not documented.
I noticed that ages ago. I always set that odd one out as ally and basically send all my resources to him lol.

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Sasuna
Clubman
posted 05-10-12 08:07 AM ET (US)     15 / 26       
thats nice to know... lol...
Eurotool
Hero
posted 05-10-12 06:53 PM ET (US)     16 / 26       
Is your Shift key is broken, boy, or you're just some kind of lazy guy ?

Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 05-11-12 01:37 AM ET (US)     17 / 26       
AS LONG AS HE IS NOT TYPING IN ALL CAPS IT'S COOL WITH ME.

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Sasuna
Clubman
posted 05-12-12 05:59 AM ET (US)     18 / 26       
LOL NO IT ISN'T!! <---- see? i just don't give two cares in the world if my letters are in caps or not it isn't that im lazy or anything, but if it helps you from whining like a little girl then i can try tocare some more an put a capitalized letter in every sentence.. or maybe every word will help?


complain about stupid things much guy?
get a life. im actually probably alot less lazy than you an smarter lol. so screw off bug someone else i didnt do anything to you.

(an im not gunna capitalize anything by the way. just to irritate you.) :)
if you don't like it don't read my post. big deal. only a forum

[This message has been edited by Sasuna (edited 05-12-2012 @ 06:02 AM).]

PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 05-12-12 01:25 PM ET (US)     19 / 26       
Do what you want for typing, caps or lowercase, as long as it's english and readable. Nonsense will not be tolerated (unless Blatant approves ).



Sasuna
Clubman
posted 05-12-12 03:01 PM ET (US)     20 / 26       
lol, yea i figured so. just dont understand why he is complaining about it. now though gives me a reason so go lowercase...lol...
i figured if it was wrong a moderator would have stopped me from doing it right?
(none of them haven't yet)
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 05-13-12 03:21 PM ET (US)     21 / 26       
happened to me a long time ago, a few games, almost in a row, with one enemy player suddenly turning ally - in one case all the player had left by then was a granary. that was years ago.
Eurotool
Hero
posted 05-13-12 08:42 PM ET (US)     22 / 26       
this guy is awesome, now everytime im gonna go to this subforum ill never hit shift of caps lock. yay, i dont promise cuz it looks a little fag, but anyways. lets enjoy this. and my name is in lower caps, right <- insert question mark here

Sasuna
Clubman
posted 05-16-12 07:48 AM ET (US)     23 / 26       
lol if you are trying to hurt my feelings you are doing extermely poor, lol
but let us do enjoy this, an just for your reference so maybe it helps you feel better my name starts with a capital, so why you didnt catch that in the first place before you decided to throw your little sissy fit idk, but write that one in the books bonehead.
oh an please have a nice day <- insert period here
Lord Draganta
Clubman
(id: GiantTalos)
posted 05-20-12 04:17 PM ET (US)     24 / 26       
I really miss diplomacy in AoE Online. I remember how AoE 1 was promoted with the diplomacy feature (victory through combat, working together or diplomacy, something like that). I did experiment a lot with the diplomacy, and yes, sometimes I gained allied AI players as well. Would love to see that back in AoE Online...

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chab
Clubman
posted 08-20-12 03:43 PM ET (US)     25 / 26       
Can't tell you how many times I've lost an alliance with a computer because one of his units got into my catapult's blast radius. I always wished for an option to turn off friendly fire for that reason or AI that could discern between intentional/unintentional attacks.

@Cyrix :
Of course changing the game so that you can start an alliance DURING the game seems really impossible. This would be quite a huge evolution in the game.

However, it seems really possible to change the friendly fire *%!# diplomacy change :
- In scenarios, just change the .PER file (see below) and it's OK, computer won't change its diplomacy
- In random map/deathmatch, AOE/ROR appears not to be using .PER files from data2 folder (although it always uses .AI files). So, where are the personality configuration AOE/ROR uses for these games ??? Is it somewhere in the EXE file, in a .DAT file... ?
- According to the location of the PERSONALITY information, it could be very easy to change it : just set a flag to 0 ! A child would do that !

All the issue is : where is this *%!# flag ?

PS : the flag you should put in .PER files to prevent diplomacy changes.

215 0 //SNAllowDiplomacyChangeOnAllyAttack


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About computer becoming friendly :
Start a game, you and player2 are team "1", all others have no team.
At some moment, 1 or 2 enemy civ will attack player #2 (most civs will attack YOU !). If ont of those civs really hates player#2 (dont know exactly how this is calculated), it will become your friend (but it may change later in the game).

[This message has been edited by chab (edited 08-20-2012 @ 03:46 PM).]

ephestion
Clubman
posted 08-26-12 00:11 AM ET (US)     26 / 26       
On some multiplayer games a friend turned against me once our opponents were destroyed. Is there a way to win if both players set diplo to allies after a conflict? In otherwords a team win, even if you ally decided to attack you but regretted it and changes their mind.


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