EdgeCrusher6
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 02:05 PM
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Wedsaz dosn;t even have the game to show it to you on
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 03:40 PM
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CoMBaT_Villager:
Some civs are faster than others.
Minoan can do a 12 minute bronze, and here's how:
1. build 2 houses and a storage pit
2. put all your villies on wood, your 5th or 6th should go build 2 docks
3. make fishing boats, and as food comes in make some more villies but stop at 12. Put them all on wood.
4. advance to tool as soon as you have 500 food, build a barracks and granary while tooling
5. in tool, build a market or stable while you make 4 villies and put them on gold
6. build an archery or stable and advance to bronze
You tool will be a bit slow (9 mins or so) but with a bit of practice you can bronze in 12 mins like this.
I don't know if phoenie is patched in AoE, if not then you can do the same thing with them.
I know shang can bronze in 12, and yassy around 14 with a land economy, but I'm a beached whale on land so I don't know how.
Persian *can* bronze in 11 mins because of their 65% faster hunting, but it takes much practice. I recommend you get the other economies straight for a while.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 08:04 PM
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Combat_Villager:
Don't villies take 30 seconds to train? With a total of 20 villies, you couldn't click for tool before 8:30. 25? 11:00.
That means:
1. 20 villies = 10:30 tool = 14:00 bronze at best
2. 25 villies = 13:00 tool = 16:00 bronze at best
Of course, that's assuming someone doesn't bronze in 12 and raid your town with 5-6 cavs.
Reminder: that comes out to 12 woodies, 4 goldies and 24 boats. That's more than enough food, wood and gold to make a very decent bronze army, like 10 cavs/camels, 30 compies and 10 STs. Also, the small villie population can increase rather fast once you reach bronze and make multiple TCs.
CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 09:35 PM
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oh, on speed 1.0 it takes about 28 seconds to make a villager
Dave
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 00:56 AM
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Wedsaz, in your bronze strat, how many boats should you make? Or do you keep pumping them out as much as your wood supply allows?
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 01:15 AM
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Hunting takes some practice to get right, but yes it's better. Not because hunting is very good, but because farming is very bad. For less wood than 2 farms, you can put 6-10 villies gathering food independently, about 1/8th faster food too. Meanwhile, putting more than 1 villager per farm doesn't give you more food. Shorefish and berries are better than hunting, unless you're persian.
I used to stop making boats for a moment in tool to get my market and archery up. Also back then people didn't use warboats much, now you may want to make 3-4 warboats for defense and pump more if you get attacked. You may also want to make a few trade boats to trade food for gold, so you can put some of the gold miners in bronze on wood instead. That would give you a better chance if there's a boat war, I think.
When I started using this strat, I was a newbie myself. I tried to do the assy CA rush and the yam cav rush, but couldn't do it half as well as the intermediates and experts on the zone, so I poured over manuals and strat sites trying to find something new. Strat sites said minoan compies were very strong, but that they were a "slow civ" which could only bronze in 16 mins. I saw their boat bonus, and thought of the fastest of the popular civs at the time... shang. Shang has cheap villagers, which makes them fast. Minoan, likewise, is fast because of their cheap boats. It takes them longer to get started, but you can make them from multiple docks so end up with more villagers when you arrive in bronze.
CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 03:05 AM
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not inland, theres small bodys of water with enough fish in them to do the bronze strat up there... i mean highland! theres nothing but land and maybe one river... i just wonder how the strat changes, caus with out all those ships bringing in food it would take a while gathering berries and junk...
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 08:18 PM
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Dave:
Berry picking is usually better than hunting, but boat fishing is even better because while you can only train 1 villager at a time, you can make boats from many docks.
Farming is bad mostly because of the wood cost of the farms.
The persian hunting bonus is 0.30, which seems to be ES/MS's idea of 30%. However, when you take the normal hunting rate of 0.45 and add 0.30, it comes out to 0.75 which is an amazing 65% more food per second. Since RoR shore fishing has a rate of 0.60, persian hunting is still 25% faster. AoE shorefishing was 0.80, so persian was less worthwhile.
CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 04-24-00 02:06 AM
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ok cam, my zone ID is CoMBaT_ViLaGeR_ but the one i use most and probably will be on is x7x_Leader.
SuN_Cam_Popov
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posted 04-24-00 04:16 AM
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I've added ya...I'll msg ya when I'll see ya on.