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posted 04-14-00 06:40 AM ET (US)   
With all this mombo jumbo about AOK: TC, and AOK Heaven passing AOE Heaven, I think it is time that AOE Heaven should close their doors. Thats right, just give up to Age Of Kings.
posted 04-14-00 04:43 PM ET (US)     1 / 86  

Although for some reason when Pharaoh came out C3 still remained to get many more new people, and the C3ers who now are Pharaohers never forgot about C3 and still play it, that did not happean with AOE to AOK(sadly), maybe someone sould post it a "AOK don't forget about AOE" thread on the AOK forum, not me the AOK people are way to rude!!! (most of them have a problem with rookies, when at AOE Heaven, we don't have that problem here) Closing this site would be a really bad thing, where would we go?

There are 26 forumers on this site, more may come, as long as those foruers wish that this forum will not die, It cannot die.

[This message has been edited by Caesar Constintine (edited 04-14-2000).]

posted 04-14-00 05:18 PM ET (US)     2 / 86  

I love this site! Even though mostt people are gone, it still has enormous amounts of information people can use.

posted 04-14-00 09:41 PM ET (US)     3 / 86  
bull sh*t. AOE stays. FOREVER. WOULD GOD CLOSE THE DOORS ON ALL OF MANKIND? I think not. Not even for AOK. AOK sucks by the way.
posted 04-14-00 11:45 PM ET (US)     4 / 86  
aok sucks - you got that right.......
posted 04-15-00 01:24 AM ET (US)     5 / 86  
Why close it? There are lots of game sites, and sites period that get far fewer hit than this one does. I could see consolodating it a bit, maybee one forum, and doing away with the totaly unused portions, but there's no sense in closing it.

...and when Alexander saw the breadth of his domain, he wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer

posted 04-15-00 08:58 AM ET (US)     6 / 86  
Just look at the fourms!! They are dying! Barely anyone posts anything, and with AoK: TC, all the action is over there!!
posted 04-15-00 01:02 PM ET (US)     7 / 86  
so go there and dont bug us
posted 04-15-00 06:55 PM ET (US)     8 / 86  
Blackhearts right. Leave us in peace,<bleeeeep>

(hysterical sobbing by Kavil,whilst wailing many bad things about the reeeeeally useless villager)

posted 04-15-00 09:51 PM ET (US)     9 / 86  
Looking at how many different people are posting about the forums being dead, I'd say they'd be very lively if we simply posted strats, stories, and other interesting things instead. Try it sometime, it's fun!
posted 04-16-00 03:45 PM ET (US)     10 / 86  
As far as I know, AoE isn't on any top 40 software buying charts. Admit it, AoE's Golden Days Are Over! AoE AND RoR are getting Sweeped away buy newer games, including Quake, Unreal Tournament, The Sims, Half Life, and more! There must be someone who agrees!!??

We all know that other AoE sites look up to AoE for Scenario Design, and it's Wonderful Forms (cough, cough ...). However, these sites are becoming more and more independant, reling upon AoK to give them news. Also, AoE Heaven is now posting info on AoK in their own News Section. Look at: The Conquers Info, and Sister Site Passes Us.

I've read alot of these forms, and when AoK was realesed, I noticed alot of people's posts reading: "What Will Happen To AoE Heaven When AoK Comes Out?" Well, so far, the fourms have almost died, the Scenario Design Section (Seige Workshop or what ever you call it), The Campaigns (Granary??) have not been updated. You just gotta ask yourself once in a while, When Will AoE Die?

I think it already has.
Don't kill it any further. It'll look bad.

posted 04-16-00 05:52 PM ET (US)     11 / 86  
Really Usless Villager:
Yes, there's lots of people who agree, but they aren't here. Look for them in the AoK forums.
There's one question left to answer: if AoE is really so obviously dead, then why are you posting about it here? I know the answer, do you?
posted 04-16-00 09:55 PM ET (US)     12 / 86  
What the hecks your problem, you are a really usless villager, oh and by the way, it's spelled 'useless'. AOE will never die because this site had some awesome information! So go back to the AOK forums!
posted 04-16-00 09:57 PM ET (US)     13 / 86  
P.S. wedsaz is right, go to the AOK forums to complain about AOE. And remember, 'Age of Empires' is the parent of 'Age of Kings'!
posted 04-17-00 05:03 PM ET (US)     14 / 86  
AoE is, and forever will be, in all ways, better than AOK. sorry peep. And the fact that everyday, the game has around 1600 peopel playing says alot for it. Yeah, It ain't AoK, but Its AoE, and thats all I need.
posted 04-17-00 06:33 PM ET (US)     15 / 86  
There comes a time for people to end their hobby and begin a new one. Let's all think about that for a moment . . .
posted 04-17-00 07:59 PM ET (US)     16 / 86  
Well, Really Useless Villager... If you wanted to start some lively discussions here in the AoE forums, you obviously succeeded.
posted 04-17-00 08:25 PM ET (US)     17 / 86  
All we need to do is to start posting interesting topics, then the will be posted on AoE heaven main page and then there will be discussion here like in AoK.

I love this sight too, i think its second best on the net (to


[This message has been edited by Obi Wan (edited 04-17-2000).]

posted 04-18-00 07:00 AM ET (US)     18 / 86  
Ingo - I didn't want to start a lively topic. I wanted to let you all know that AoE Heaven should close it's doors because of the time and the events surrounding it.

And it should!

posted 04-18-00 07:26 AM ET (US)     19 / 86  
noooo!! please don't close RoR heaven. I just started playing RoR again after a long break and I love that game
RoR needs heaven because there're ror rookies running wild!! I will send them here for heavens fine guides and so the rooks can read the GPs' words of wisdom

sai_so on the zone

posted 04-18-00 12:25 PM ET (US)     20 / 86  
Really Usless Villager, if you don't think that AoE Heaven is worth visiting, then what are you doing here? WE like this site and WE are going to keep on visiting it. If you don't want to, then that's your loss. At least let us visit this site and these forums without listening to your complaints all the time.
posted 04-18-00 12:36 PM ET (US)     21 / 86  
Lol Really Useless Villager.

I was trying to say that you achieved the opposite of what you wanted. Look at how many people disagreed with you. Thanks for starting this topic, Really Useless Villager - your nice little provocations help to keep the spice of AoE alive.

[This message has been edited by Ingo van Thiel (edited 04-18-2000).]

posted 04-18-00 04:48 PM ET (US)     22 / 86  
Ingo - I am dumbstruck! I don't know what to say! As for "keeping this AoE Forum Alive" I don't beleive you understand my point. AoE is over. Over!

Obi Wan - Site is spelt Site, not sight. I also know, I spelt usless wrong. I know, I know, I know. I don;t beleive that you know what should be closed down.

AoE Heaven, Thats What!

posted 04-18-00 05:14 PM ET (US)     23 / 86  
A little note from a newbie:

I started playing AOE just a month ago and I found that the info on this site has been really, really helpful. Furthermore, everyone on this site has been really generous with their time answering my questions. I hope that this site doesn't close.

Also, a little while ago I bought AOK just out of curiosity. After playing it for just a short while I went back to AOE. There is just something classic about AOE.

Just my humble opinion but please don't close this site.

posted 04-18-00 05:33 PM ET (US)     24 / 86  
I wouldn't pay too much attention to "the realy useless villager" Reminds me of that darth ryan guy, all he really wants is some attention. aoe will never die. granted, it will and has slown down a bit, but there are still people out there playing warcraft, and how old is that now?
posted 04-18-00 06:04 PM ET (US)     25 / 86  
I think you are wrong. I just got let's see...12 people to buy AOE. They loved it. It's not old yet. But it sure is getting old. Ensamble Studios has to come up with something new....
posted 04-18-00 07:41 PM ET (US)     26 / 86  
Hey, you can't close AoE, I just started playing it !


posted 04-18-00 07:52 PM ET (US)     27 / 86  
darth ryan... lol... i remember ....


lol that guy used to crack me up

posted 04-19-00 11:00 AM ET (US)     28 / 86  
Lol Really Useless Villager,

you're so funny. It's been days since I had such a good laugh. Please, please don't stop! Shout it out, "AoE is over!" and even more people will come in here and say "nope." There are 28 posts in this thread by now, and you still keep the discussion going. Look how many more people you made join in and disagree with you.

Great job, Really Useless Villager! My guess is that this thread goes up to 60... at least.


posted 04-19-00 12:21 PM ET (US)     29 / 86  
posted 04-19-00 03:26 PM ET (US)     30 / 86  
LOL The comp is right.
<Kavil asks some one to hold on to Mr. Traitor over there while she kills him. She starts polishing an axe left over from her diablo days, and smiles grimmly>
PS: Your mama is so fat, that when they put her on the
family tree, the branch broke.
Your mama is so fat, when she walked past the TV
and I missed three commercials.
posted 04-19-00 04:03 PM ET (US)     31 / 86  
Compostie Bowman- I don't have a mother. Me and my daddy share yours. Same to you, Kavil. It should close it's doors.
posted 04-19-00 04:11 PM ET (US)     32 / 86  
Ingo - Thanks for the comments! I was laughing out loud also! (Cough, NO Cough!) IF you want me to shout it out, I will. I just e-mailed angel mack with my opinion. I will continue to protest.
posted 04-19-00 04:55 PM ET (US)     33 / 86  
You go girl.
posted 04-19-00 06:52 PM ET (US)     34 / 86  
<Kavil shoots "it" hoping to releive everyone of Mr. "I like to -CENSORED-myself>
posted 04-19-00 06:53 PM ET (US)     35 / 86  
Hmmmm... looks like you still didn't get my point, Really Useless Villager. Anyhow, I'll leave it up to you to figure it out.

While you try and do that, I'll have another game of AoE... this discussion really gives me an appetite. Bye!

posted 04-20-00 02:55 AM ET (US)     36 / 86  
Ingo, I agree with you that Really Usless Villager is just getting more people to disagree with him everytime he posts a message. But why is everyone arguing so much about AoK and AoE? Can't they both be great games in different ways? They both have their merits and demerits. Why don't we start discussing the good things about AoE (and AoK, though this is not the right place for that) instead of arguing about which is better? Let the Really Usless Villager say whatever he wants to. After all, we don't have to read it.
(Who will?)
What do you think? Is AoE better, is AoK better, or are they both great games?

[This message has been edited by The Phoenix (edited 04-20-2000).]

posted 04-20-00 09:15 AM ET (US)     37 / 86  
I really agree with you Phoenix
posted 04-21-00 02:56 PM ET (US)     38 / 86  
It may come as a shock to some, but there are a few of us, myself included, who don't rush out and buy a game as soon as it is released, or spend all our time playing them, the reason being that we have a life outside gaming. So if we enjoy it and you don't, go away and enjoy whatever it is you do. Many people have stopped playing AoE but have still helped me, they didn't have to but they did because they are genuine people who have grown up, not silly little boys and girls who still think it's cool to be in a clique.

Think it over.

posted 04-22-00 01:56 PM ET (US)     39 / 86  
Good points, Phoenix and Phill Phree. Imho, both AoE and AoK are great games of their own merit, and they'll last much longer than any short-lived teenager fashion.
posted 04-22-00 04:36 PM ET (US)     40 / 86  
I think that even though AoK may sound fancier and more interesting, still, AoE is way more fun. The AoK games take soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more time than AoE games. Also, there is always the counter-units, balancing between civs, etc. that makes AoK all the more complicated.

Every once in a while, I get tired of AoK and its complicated and all too systematic way of playing. I mean, the goal of a game is to make people have fun, not to create "a mighty empire that will stand the test of time"...


I start to play AoE when I'm bored of AoK. It's all a matter of opinion. Some may like the new features in AoK and the uniqueness of each civ. Others may prefer the cavalry rushes of RoR and the exceptionally fun scyche chariot armies to trample fellow players. So play what you want- no one is going to stop you guys.

Just don't start yelling at each other about your opinions, though!!!

Lol, this is the first time I've responded to a thread of AoE in weeks, believe it or not ! ! !

C y'all,

[This message has been edited by Nakul (edited 04-22-2000).]

posted 04-22-00 08:16 PM ET (US)     41 / 86  
Nobody's yelling, Nakul, just adding our 0.02. Personally I've always preferred discussion - it's more productive and not so hard on the ears. None of this text is in caps or bold, even.

I like all of them, I've recently got AoK and I have reasons for liking it that are different from my reasons for liking AoE and RoR. I would have liked the ideas in RoR to have been included from the start, but they are good afterthoughts nonetheless.

What I like about AoK I'll save for the appropriate board, as and when I get into it a bit more. What I like about AoE (briefly) follows;

- The Culture. Ancient Civs battling, lots of room for good stories as well as duplicating history.

- Variety. Some strategy games don't have enough of it, others have none at all, you have the same abilities as a different player, you're just a different colour.

- It's different. There are few, if any, similarities to any other game of its kind. Warcraft has elements of it, but it's AoE I come back to.

- It's something I can actually praise Microsoft for, which has novelty value <beg>

Bottom line? Anyone can take an idea and improve it, it's harder to be innovative. AoE is innovative. The whole argument about which is better out of AoE and AoK is pointless for that reason, I wouldn't be here without Dad either.

If you haven't done them yet, best of luck with the exams, Ingo.

posted 04-23-00 11:03 AM ET (US)     42 / 86  
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*******************END TRANSMISSION*************************

Since this long and completely pointless discussion has finally finished (or so it seems) why don't we start discussing AoE? What is this forum meant for anyway?
Actually, I'm disappointed in the Scenario Design Forum. There hasn't been a single post there in the last week.

OK, I've got a question for the experts. (I know that this should be in the Scenario Design Forum) I recently played a campaign called 'The Andorian Revolution" In the second level of that campaign, player eight (named 'Prisoners') had only 20 villagers who were trapped in a "prison" with a fortification surrounding them. Without them asking me, I paid them tribute.

I got a message saying:

Your empire is worthy of our allegiance
Prisoners switched diplomatic stance with you to Ally.

Why? How? Somebody please explain.

PS: Sorry Ingo, but since we have stopped arguing, this thread may not go up to sixty messages after all. However, if Really Usless (How true! )Villager comes back and starts spouting drivel again, it definitely will.

posted 04-23-00 10:00 PM ET (US)     43 / 86  
To Phoenix

- Technically, talking about the lifespan of AoE is still talking about AoE. Take your point though, it's gone too far.

- I'm not an expert, and haven't played the .cpn in question, but my guess is that the author didn't turn off the tribute SNs in the .per file so they just kind of happened. Probably this one (amongst others)


where the value is 1. Maybe he had other CPs that demanded tribute somewhere, wanted the prisoners to behave in a similar way, so he used the same .per file but forgot to edit the tribute part. Easy mistake, specially if you use the complete.per as your base, or Aoe Edit.

And THAT is something we could discuss - if AoE is so dead, how come so few people know (or tell?) anything about .per files? Doesn't sound dead to me if there is still stuff to discover.

Hope this helps you rise from the ashes, dude. Stay happy.

posted 04-24-00 03:38 AM ET (US)     44 / 86  

Thanks, Phill. That was really puzzling me.

So, .per files. I'm not an expert either, so I can't tell you anything much about them. I've tried making them, but the computer never does what I want. The only .per files of mine which have worked are for tribute and for assigning villagers to different tasks. Perhaps it would help if there was a .per file editor like the AI editor.
Btw, I haven't seen any complete.per. Are you talking about RoR?

Personally, I prefer campaigns and scenarios to RMs and DMs.
I'm more intrested in the stories, objectives and strategies
(when I say strategies, I mean for actually attacking i.e. creating diversions, attacking from 2 sides, and a lot more complicated ones.)
When I see Wedsaz and Dave and all those guys discussing 11:00 Tools and Bronze Booms and Persians have + 65% and Minoans have -50 % , I feel quite lost.

posted 04-24-00 03:40 AM ET (US)     45 / 86  
Recently, I played a scenario called "Hill55". I had 5 heliopoli (is that the plural of heliopolis?)40 centurions, 40 composite bowmen and a few other units (no villagers, catapults or priests). I was on top of a "hill" of elevation 5. The enemy had 485 men. Mostly cataphracts and centurions.Most of them were spread out all over the map.

What I did was keep 10 centurions in front of 5 composites. The composites would fire at the enemy cataphract and he would charge. When I told the centurions to attack the cataphract, they formed a stragiht line and started towards him. He would ride parallel to the line of centurions and ignore them. (The computer always attacks archers first) Each centurion would hit him as he rode by AND the composites would be shooting him. He would die before even passing the centurions.

The point I am trying to make is, they lost 485 men and I lost 40. This shows that many units in a tight group can wipe out much larger groups quite easily. So the type of unit and all those complicated strategies are not necessary.

*Sorry for being so long winded, but I wanted to explain
that choosing a civ and building units based on the civ is
not as important as HOW YOU PLAY.

posted 04-24-00 04:22 AM ET (US)     46 / 86  
To Phoenix.

The complete.per I downloaded from somewhere, can't remeber where but I can email you it if you want (grab my email from the profile and let me know.) It works in both AoE and RoR and contains really useful stuff e.g. you have your map planned and don't want the CP building extra houses, set the SNAutoBuildHouses to zero. Conversely, if you want your CP to do stuff after building everything you want, you can have it throw up towers and things, and 'cos this is hard to direct it can mean the same .scn plays slightly different each time, which is nice. The program AoE Edit includes all the SNs but I didn't care for it much, it's quicker using notepad, or, my favourite, Programmer's File Editor (sadly no longer supported.)

Agree totally, BTW, about how you play. Personally I am rubbish, I just enjoy it. My latest .cpn was slated for being too easy by my playtesters, but I'm sure there are folks out there like me who don't have the reflexes of a computer. Elevation is always good for tactical advantage, I think units get 50% on attack and damage or something when they fire down on people.

Stay happy.

posted 04-28-00 04:24 AM ET (US)     47 / 86  
Actually, I agree with Real Usless Villager to a point. I don't agree that taking down AoE Heaven will be necessary, but I do agree that AoK blows the socks off from RoR. I have played both AoE from the beginning all the way through RoR and AoE/RoR was a great game. But the balance between the civs is not near as perfect as they are in AoK. AoK has more indepth strategy...and tweaked for newbies to hold on the map longer from being rushed. All the old AoE veterans have mostly jumped to AoK folks, except it! Infact, just go to the zone and that in itself will prove it! There are up to 5000+ agers playing AoK and no more than 800 playing AoE/RoR. The rock-paper-scissors balance with units in AoK was such an improvement to RoR and was a smart move with ES. When you got rushed in RoR with CA's, it was over! But AoK is tweaked to give you both an offensive and a great defensive standpoint for different situations of the game. The new formations and garrisoning units buildings, recorded games feature, save multiplayer games feature is just enough to make anyone think twice before saying "RoR is way better than AoK"!

Peaple like that are very immature and unwilling to learn what's real.

I Lysimachus, as one of the four generals of Alexander the Great, I serve him to the best of my military knowledge.

posted 04-28-00 01:05 PM ET (US)     48 / 86  
Lysimachus, read #42 in this thread. I had said that both AoE and AoK are great games in different ways. I still maintain that opinion. (I haven't played AoK as it is not available here, but I have been to AoK Heaven and read up on it)
posted 04-28-00 04:35 PM ET (US)     49 / 86  
Hey, we're getting closer to those 60 posts after all.

I've got both games, played both games, and designed with both games. I agree with the Phoenix that both games are great in different ways. In my opinion, AoK is more monumental, and its gameplay and graphics are more refined than in AoE/ RoR. On the other hand, AoE and RoR have a special, simple charm that AoK hasn't got anymore - that's the price of being monumental and more refined.

That being said, I enjoy playing both games, for different reasons.


posted 04-28-00 07:47 PM ET (US)     50 / 86  
I've owned AoK since it came out and I just think RoR is better. I've played them both on the Zone and I just like the flow of RoR. AoK games take too long and are very methodical. This equals boring. RoR rules and AOE Heaven's doors should remain open for the duration of time.
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