Ok I admit it, after trying to put a happy face on Greek, especially with the thought of slingers to make the early going a bit better, they still stink. Pin cushioning hoplites is still too easy and getting to iron against anyone but newbies is too difficult, not to mention the fact that your partners hate you because you are no help. Fine Greek is good in iron but so are many other civs.
Lastly, got the expansion pack and was psyched about Macedonia thinking they had solved the pincushion and priest conversion problem for academy units. Unfortunately, the academy units are still too slow. Cheap siege units...great...but I'd rather have good ones (ballistics...catapults). I tried stonies + compies + hops..that combo is ok but other civs have better, especially if they have the wheel. If you want a big late bronze still play hittite or palmy (with the woodcut bonus you can have more stonies than u can make.
Of course you will still see me out there trying to make either one of these civs work every now and then just cause its fun.