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Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 01:50 PM ET (US)         
Just came from the GX forum and they have been talking all morning about the farm bug. Essentially, it rejuvenates farms. Some could duplicate it, some couldn't. After you see how it is done, its trivial.

1. Press and hold the shift key.
2. Select the farm(s) that are getting low.
3. Select a farmer by drawing a box around him.
4. Press S
5. Let up shift key.

Voila. Farms are at max or above.

Serious bug/cheat! Water maps not really affected, since you can play entire games without a farm, but Hell Country will never be the same. Don't bother with those pesky farm upgrades anymore.

Thought y'all should be aware of it so you can pick map settings that minimize its effects.

Keep your stick on the ice.

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neilkaz
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 02:20 PM ET (US)     1 / 33       
Thx, Thorfinn, for clarifying how to do this. I honest didn't understand what thi sbugwas about in the initialpost at GX. I failed to realize that this gave your farms free rejuvination ! I had thought that it would give you food for free !

You don't even have to have the shift key down when you first select the farm.. just have it down when you mouse select the farmer. As long as the farm is still selected you get free rejuvination when you press the S key with shift button down.

Let's tell the whole world how to do this because there is no way to catch anyone doing this so most people will do it, IMO.

I always thought the farm techs were overpriced !

neilkaz ... "gentleman" farmer

Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 02:27 PM ET (US)     2 / 33       
That's true, neilkaz, but the shift key lets you select all your farms and upgrade them simultaneously. Sounds like you ought to put all your farms on a hotkey, doesn't it???

Keep your stick on the ice.

Breydel
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 02:46 PM ET (US)     3 / 33       
Ooh no, this will get too popular. SANDY!! Please give us a bugfix for this one, for the dancing units and all the other bugs.

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Breydel

"Of all Gaul, the Belgae are the bravest" -Julius Caesar, 58 B.C.

Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 03:01 PM ET (US)     4 / 33       
I'm not convinced it's that *bad*, its just different. It just makes farms last forever. Seems we whined about them dying when AoE first came out. If there is to be a patch, I would rather see farms last forever, but the farming techs increase the *rate* of food collection, like they do in real life. In all cases, they are methods of getting more production per year from the same piece of land, i.e., increasing the gathering rate.

I say its just a new game variant. I have been waiting for something different for a while. Think of it as ES giving us a new game to play. Let's see where the strategies go from here.

neilkaz
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 03:25 PM ET (US)     5 / 33       
I agree w/Thorfinn ! We have a slightly different game to play ! EVERYONE will use the farm bug. So let's just legalize it. NOW ! Soon, the farm bug will become an expected and accepted part of zone play.

I hope ES patches this and that the new version will be required for zone play ASAP.

However, ES is working on AOK, so I am not holding my breath waiting.

Hopefully , ES will patch it fast to give us the fix we deserve and to give their competitors at Blizzard something less to laugh about !

... digusted neilkaz ...

Desert_Fox
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 03:45 PM ET (US)     6 / 33       
This definatly works ugh... why god why? Just hope no other bugs are uncovered.. this really ruined Hell country now.. REALLY RUINED...

DF

LifeAfterDeath
Inactive
posted 03-01-99 04:01 PM ET (US)     7 / 33       
Thx Thorfinn for sharing this with us. Hopefully all serious players will read this.I agree with neilkaz to legalize this.
Desert_Fox
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 04:21 PM ET (US)     8 / 33       
I know my favorite type of game is FFA, in which almost every game goes Iron, and then farming. I feel ashamed that players, especially experts will exploit this bug. In 90% of your games the players will not know about the bug( I am guessing only around 10% of players read forums). The sad thing is that experts seem to support the use of this bug. I know that I for one will only be playing with my friends until it is patched.

DF

Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 04:38 PM ET (US)     9 / 33       
Simple solution. Have the Zone put a link to a small writeup on how to do it. Then all would have access until/if it is ever patched. It will undoubtedly be used and is undetectable. (You can't see the qty left in someone else's farm, and that would only matter in the 30-odd seconds after doing it anyway.) The others (with the exception of getting units from the wrong buildings) are easy to detect, especially in the case of a D/C. ("Uh, he was in Tool and has 3 TCs? WTF?" "What's that building foundation that is blocking my peons?")
RajunCajunBoy
Inactive
posted 03-01-99 05:11 PM ET (US)     10 / 33       
Thank god for the farm bug. I now have yet one more excuse to explain my numerous ass whoopings. They obviously used that damn farm bug on me. Hell, they were probably using one or more of those "other bugs" too

Anyway, the farm bug will not affect the games on the Zone as long as everybody knows about it. Of course a lot of people are going to rush into the rated rooms tonite to try to get some wins over somebody without the knowledge of the bug. I would do it but it would take two straight weeks of wins to substantially increase my rating.

PheNoL
Inactive
posted 03-01-99 06:17 PM ET (US)     11 / 33       
this is so much BS [in my opinion]

i started out in the trial version of aoe and i loved it... that is until i found out about 'the woodbug'
i then got regular aoe then got patch 1.0b, which was great cause it gave everone a fair and fun game on the zone.
now all this *****about ror... damn... there are a lot of bugs i know of for ror just from reading this forum! i bet if i start reading GX forums i will find more bugs!

this is so crappy you all... i dont have much respect for ES anymore... it took the\\\\\\\m forever to fix the aoe woodbug... they simply denied and ignored everything about drastic civ unbalances... now ror is just a crappy game with all the bugs... and they may not fix the bugs in ror until aok is released... which will probably late late '99... that means ror may not be fixed (IF they even fix everything) until early 2000!!!! this sucks people... ive played 3 games now that someone has built HUGE OVERWHELMING armies just from about 2 stables and 2 archerys with houses around them in early bronze and i got my azz kicked. i never knew how to do a bug in ror until now.. the farm bug.. and im not going to try.. you know why? I'M GOING TO START PLAYING AOE NOW.

thats my 2 cents... see ya later people and have fun playing ror with cheaters (well not everyone will cheat but it is a big chance to take since the cheats are all over the forums)

PheNoL
Inactive
posted 03-01-99 06:22 PM ET (US)     12 / 33       
DF look me up any time on the zone to play buddy.... my name is UA_PheNoL__ you know...
Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 06:34 PM ET (US)     13 / 33       
PheNoL, don't mean to mess up your whole day, but it works in AoE 1.0b, too. Probably has been used for quite a while. I assume its just debugging tools that didn't get stripped in the release version.

Keep your stick on the ice.

Chanchito
Inactive
posted 03-01-99 06:34 PM ET (US)     14 / 33       
Phenol, it also works in AOE.
neilkaz
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 06:42 PM ET (US)     15 / 33       
Don't get me wrong guys, I don't support the use of the farm bug ! However, let's get real here !! In a few days many zone plays will know about it and many of those will use it. We cannot assume that all will be honorable and innocent !! I mean just think.. our president smoked pot and didn't inhale !! ROFLMAO til I can't breathe when I think about that !!

It is the same with the farm bug.. people will use it and you can't tell !! This is why I advocate making it legal and honorable to use. It's not that I don't trust you or me.. I am just unable to trust the other guy !

As for rated 1v1's it won't have much effect because you often can't or shouldn't farm early and most 1v1's are decided long before the first farms run out !

Off course, the zone should have a link to the site explaining the farm bug posted !! Then all will use it and no one will have an unfair advantage. Among friends maybe all will agree not to use it !

Don't panic guys ! The farm bug just means that a new patch has been released for our great game ROR which means farm last forever.

The farm bug SUCKS !! But it is the unfortunate reality and won't go away until it is patched (if it ever is !) ... neilkaz

Breydel
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 07:20 PM ET (US)     16 / 33       
I'm really surpised to hear that so many of you even like this bug? C'mon guys, this ain't fun anymore, is it!?!? What will happen in a post iron now when all the wood, gold and stone is gone? Unlimited food? Back to axers??? In post Iron??? LOL, gimme a break!


No, I'm with Desert Fox on this one. (and maybe some others but I didn't read them all) It's a shame if expert players will use this one. I myself will [u]NEVER[/u] (read it good!!!) exploit this bug, even if it means that my butt will be whiped upon the floor even more. Honors go first IMO, always!

No, since AoK is delayed to Fall 99 I think it's ES' responsibility to fix this ASAP and at least let us have some respectfull RoR games until fall.

My 2 cents.

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Breydel

"Of all Gaul, the Belgae are the bravest" -Julius Caesar, 58 B.C.

Radagastt
Inactive
posted 03-01-99 07:39 PM ET (US)     17 / 33       
I am with desert fox and Breydel on this one...Good thing I just bought SMAC so I can wait tell ES patches this... By the way, thanx Thorfinn for telling the world so we can play maps that minimize the affect now that everyone knows because you told us so that we can play maps that minimize the affect now that everyone knows because you told us so that we can play maps that minimize the affect now that everyone knows because you told us so that we can play maps that minimize the affect now that everyone knows because you told us so that we can play maps that minimize the affect now that everyone knows because you told us so that.... Had you just not blabbed this all over the net, no one would know, and we could still play games where there was limited food... There may be a reason why ES made it so that farms actually died, as resources are SUPPOSED to be limited... even water games are affected, why build boats when 75 wood will give you food all game long? sumerian will never be played anymore, hell country maps will be things of the past, and all other maps will be seriusly afffected. In order to compete, you will have to use this, sorta like the wood bug was...u use ot, u win, but now noone will be able to tell if u r cheating. Know, as I will not use it, I will never win any games, because I will not use it, I might as well just leave RoR till a patch comes out... SMAC better be good ebough, cuase I will be playing it a lot...

A very disapointed Ager

Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 03-02-99 00:09 AM ET (US)     18 / 33       
Got news for you, Radagasst. If you have been playing people you don't know, I'd bet that it has been used against you. If you have only been playing people you know, then it probably hasn't. The difference between then and now is... just that now you know about it. What's your point?

P.S. There are a couple of posts on GX suggesting that it has been in use since the early days of AoE. Isn't it better to level the playing field? Or is knowledge something better stamped out, kept under wraps?

Keep your stick on the ice.

Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 03-02-99 01:59 AM ET (US)     19 / 33       
Brey, got to thinking about it, and we both forgot about trading. There is also an infinite supply of gold as long as you still have a merchant fleet. So the food/gold superunits will come to the fore. Of course, this is assuming that all the trees are gone, something I have yet to see in any gigantic map I have ever played. Large maps I have seen cleared, and heard of huge small-island maps being depleted, but I haven't actually seen it, but never have I seen a deforested gigantic map.

Anyway, I would hate to see the world have to revert to axers, but I really doubt it would come to that. Someone would still have the ability to trade, and Iron wars could continue, albeit in a little different form.

My real concern is that this will decrease the effective cost of an already too cheap unit, the Scythe Chariot. What do you think?

And lastly, with an infinite supply of food and gold, will the Persian AEs finally be able to win a late, late Iron crusade?

Keep your stick on the ice.

Under_Siege
Inactive
posted 03-02-99 02:12 AM ET (US)     20 / 33       
Guys a Bug is a Bug. Using a bug is therefore cheating. I have played Ultima Online and belive me cheating and bug exploitation was a huge issue in that game. In the end I took a policy of never ever cheating, or exploiting a bug. I encourage people to never use this bug.
Potejon
Clubman
posted 03-02-99 05:18 AM ET (US)     21 / 33       

Most guys will use it so give the link, easy enuff then when the patch comes out we can all play again, for now I will play at forum parties and with friends ICQ should be safe.

PATATTEEEEE!!!!
(right spelled phil ze great?)

LifeAfterDeath
Inactive
posted 03-02-99 05:47 AM ET (US)     22 / 33       
One thing is shore. I will never use this bug in a game. I rather lose with no cheating then winning with cheats. If all the other players in the room agree to use this bug then its okej. If not, I WILL NEVER CHEAT. That is a promise...
Staffa
Inactive
posted 03-02-99 08:49 AM ET (US)     23 / 33       
Some things you people fail to understand.

The effects of this bug are far more minimal then you may realize. It has NO effect, ZERO effect untell after a point in time that a farm would have totaly ran out of food. As this does not occur for most people tell late bronze or more likely iron, every game that was decided before then can be ruled out as effected byt the bug. At the point that the farm would have ran out, and every future point that a farm would have ran out, it essentialy generates 75 free wood. This is a big deal, and we would hope that it would get patched, but its not even close to being on the scale of the wood bug, we are talking about 75 wood per farm per ever 10 minutes(how long it takes a 250 farm to run down), lets say 20 farms, or 1500 free wood every 10 minutes. an economy using 20 farms generates about 20,000+ wood every 10 minutes, or this bug essentialy generates about 6% increase in wood production for free. And this is still only after farms would have start running out. This also assumes you dont get any farm upgrades normaly. without the bug, using that many farms you would get farm upgrades and this decreases how helpfull the farm bug is to about 4% increase. Of one resource(wood not food btw) counting all resources, its about a 2% improvement in economy. Considering most people economy, considering idle peons, long walks from pits etc, run at around 70% effeciency, this is not a big deal, to compare it to the wood bug, which was an infinite amount of wood(and stone) per any time frame is laughable. Go ahead and try winning a bunch of rated games using the bug, you will be disapointed in how little it will really help you.

Dont get me wrong, I would love to see this bug patched, along with the TC bug, but its not a game killing bug like the wood bug is, its effect is so minimal that if everyone agrees to use it, thus leveling the playing field, it wont change game play much at all, even if some people use it, and others dont, id estimate only about 1 out of a 100 games would have their out come changed by this bug, ie, 1 person using it, 1 not, only 1 in a hundred games would be different if neither or both had used it.

If you dont believe me, play me, hill country, I wont use it, you can, and see if you can beat me, Ill be on as __giggles, 6pm eastern, zm me, Im willing to put my money where my mouth is, lets see you do the same.

You can also zm me as __bane from 8 am to 5 pm eastern as I will be at work, unable to play but we can set up a game, note both names are preceeded by a double underscore.


Here is hoping ES patches the bug, and hoping that people will stop whining about all the games they assume they lost because of this bug, I doubt one person who complained lost a single game because of this bug. With the massive number of people who know now, that will change, but not much

Hari_Smurf
Inactive
posted 03-02-99 08:59 AM ET (US)     24 / 33       
Right, I feel very strongly about this. Using bugs is cheating. Anyone who can't beat me without cheating doesn't deserve to beat me and shouldn't gain any satisfacion from beating me by doing so. I have played many of the purported experts posting on this forum and apart from the occasional foray by Blank, Methos and Staffa, Ender is the only real expert posting here. I am not saying the rest are crap, merely that they are not as good as they imply or apparently imagine. I can foresee some true experts who play competitive 1 vs 1 being compelled to use the bug and justifying it as the only way to compete.
I play predominantly teams games in Quirinal and there is no way use of underhand methods can be justified in those games. Anybody who purports to be an expert should not feel the necessity to use these bugs in a non-competitive game. I appeal to all you wannabe expert egomaniacs not to ruin ROR for the rest of us fun players. If you were half the players you think you are you would not need to cheat.

Hari_Smurf

Cherub Desert R
Clubman
posted 03-02-99 09:25 AM ET (US)     25 / 33       
I think if es is gonna patch it add a button when u click on a farn say "Reload Farm '35 wood'".Of course correct the bug but this has kinda given me that idea.And the TC and disco vills should be fixed and the war eles turns blue when it stands on tile 12 while attacking a gazell and the armored ele upgrade is on 52%. You get what I mean,the unknown bugs.But face it,dhang will rule and our tight circle of picked civs will stay the same.AND LETS NOT SAY WE ALL DO IT THUS ITS OK FOR ME(OR WHOEVER YOU ARE)TO DO IT!GEEZE,THIS SOUNDS LIKE THE WHITE HOUSE!AND I DONT DO IT! I NEVER EVEN BIT A WOMANS LIP!
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