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berry thief
Banned
posted 03-21-12 04:41 PM ET (US)         
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layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 07:25 AM ET (US)     26 / 74       
I don't give a care what they think. They cannot control something that does not belong to them in any way shape or form (pvpnet accounts) and last time I checked my accounts and domain name is not registered by microsoft therefore, I have full rights to sell it.


I can pick and choose who to give my game to, that is exactly all I am doing.


They already know, wanna know how I know? I posted it on the AoEO official forums and went intoa post about challenging the devs and told them to go look at it.


Unrelated :
Mind you, I spent a lot of time on this and this is not really microsofts work. While I used what they had as a base, they did no work on this expansion. With them here it wouldn't be here, with me here it would. That's the difference.

Your little manipulation games, not gonna work on me. AoEO thought of using some of my ideas yet? I know, I know, you don't even have to tell me... some of them are complete genius and game changing in this series If you don't know the main one I am talking about then you are in no position to say anything about this game as of yet.

[Image URL not allowed: Check out the roman military (yes the legionnaires are getting a texture update during beta don't worry, so are camels they looking like crap) :

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 08:00 AM).]

anterior2
Scenario Design Expert
posted 05-06-12 08:02 AM ET (US)     27 / 74       
I will give the game to the people who pay to help keep my website and community running as a community (and fuel the tournaments).
You mean the mod? Or the original AoM?
The CD itself is free.
Ok then. Give me the CD now. Mail me a copy. Come on, I won't pay a cent. It's free though, so give me one.
It's so different that if the buildings were remodeled and some of the units, you probably wouldn't even recognize it as aom while playing it. You'd think they had done release AoE4. This is what I felt they did with AoEO anyways, reused a game engine. Chancers are, you have played two games using the same game engine before and you haven't even realized it -- that's how different one game engine can be from itself. Guess what? Models aren't on the top of my priority list, I will find a modeler to do that later during beta once people are supporting the game. Right now I'm doing all the important stuff, and the majority of it is already done.
It's just a total conversion mod. Get over youself, plenty of people have done the same thing before... but they didn't charge. They put in as much (if not more) effort as you did, and changed the game just as much as you have. But they didn't charge for accounts to the "free" mod.
However if you do happen to manage to play this sometime, youa re going to wish there was a delete feature on these forums, or you will go back and edit all your negative comments calling it a mod and what not.
Give me a link to download it for free now and I will.
I want to have the code for changing tech speeds with an upgrade, halving the population of units I don't think worked either (this is in ror), I'd also like to disable myth units in conquest mode to make it the ror version of supremecy.
They made all those changes when they turned AoM into AoE3, which runs off the AoM engine just like your total conversion mod.
I don't think microsoft is going to fall for the free mod, but payed account thing. I'm not a lawyer, but I expect that when they find out about this mod you might get a problem. Nobody is going to pay 25 dollars just for the account, they are basically buying the mod by taking a side step. So in fact they do pay for the mod.

Companies and people have been sued for less. Look at the whole apple, samsung issue. You are making money with the work of others, by law the original owner deserves a share of what you make.
I totally agree 100%
They already know, wanna know how I know? I posted it on the AoEO official forums and went intoa post about challenging the devs and told them to go look at it.
Chances are they never read your post. About 70% of posts there go unread by a dev.
AoEO thought of using some of my ideas yet? I know, I know, you don't even have to tell me... some of them are complete genius and game changing in this series.
Actually AoE:O ruined the series. Just goes to show.
Mind you, I spent a lot of time on this and this is not really microsofts work.
They made the engine your total conversion mod runs on.




Again with my fruitshop analogy:

I'm actually selling my own fruit I grew myself. You have nothing to do with the fruit I am selling. Nevermind the fact I am squatting in your garage...


Thompsonc's post shows I am not alone in this point of view. Others support my opinion that really charging for an account to use the mod = charging for the mod, seeing as the only way to access the mod is to buy your account.

StormComing (to me): "Seems like you're way under-ranked"

Check out my series of guides for the scenario editor in the link below! | Best Otto TR score

The definitive collection of my scenarios, along with my scenario editor walkthrough, recorded games, and much much more!

[This message has been edited by anterior2 (edited 05-06-2012 @ 08:04 AM).]

Basse
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 08:03 AM ET (US)     28 / 74       
I can pick and choose who to give my game to, that is exactly all I am doing.
Yes you can, but remember that not many will buy these accounts as soon as the file gets as a free download on the web

Aom is still selling because it's a game. Nobody would want to pay for a mod in long term. It's like if the creators of DotA would take charge for people to play it.

I apprecieate your work on it and I look forward to play it (but not if I have to pay for it, since I already paid for Aom)
layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 08:03 AM ET (US)     29 / 74       
Ok then. Give me the CD now. Mail me a copy. Come on, I won't pay a cent. It's free though, so give me one.
They say choose wisely, unfortunatly you are not chosen for a free cd at this time.
but not if I have to pay for it, since I already paid for Aom
This is not AoM by a longshot. I don't mind though. You don't have to play it. It might even be a better community if you don't.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 08:07 AM).]

anterior2
Scenario Design Expert
posted 05-06-12 08:07 AM ET (US)     30 / 74       
Yes, good idea Basse. How about we get one person to buy the mod, then provide it free on the web along with a crack that allows us to play without an account, for example through gameranger.

By your own logic, the mod is totally free, so there is nothing wrong in doing this.

StormComing (to me): "Seems like you're way under-ranked"

Check out my series of guides for the scenario editor in the link below! | Best Otto TR score

The definitive collection of my scenarios, along with my scenario editor walkthrough, recorded games, and much much more!
layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 08:09 AM ET (US)     31 / 74       
The installer states you are not allowed to redistribute or sell the mod. I get to choose, not you.

This gets the pvpnet account banned and you do not get to get access to the updates, etc.

You can't even give someone credit for his work. Terrible people tbh. If you convert what I didn't make and look at my time off work as an investment your looking at roughly 20 thousnad USD.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 08:11 AM).]

anterior2
Scenario Design Expert
posted 05-06-12 08:11 AM ET (US)     32 / 74       
This is not AoM by a longshot.
Yes, it is a total conversion mod for AoM. Meaning it is a mod. For AoM. Meaning it requires AoM. Meaning it uses the same engine. Meaning it is basically a modded AoM. Meaning owners of AoM should not have to pay for your mod, seeing as it says in the EULA you can't charge for mods.

And don't try your " pay for account not mod" trick. If you only give the mod to people who buy your acount, then they are basically paying for the mod.

StormComing (to me): "Seems like you're way under-ranked"

Check out my series of guides for the scenario editor in the link below! | Best Otto TR score

The definitive collection of my scenarios, along with my scenario editor walkthrough, recorded games, and much much more!
layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 08:13 AM ET (US)     33 / 74       
And don't try your " pay for account not mod" trick. If you only give the mod to people who buy your acount, then they are basically paying for the mod.
There's no trick to it, you want access to my forums/members area/update page? Buy an account.

From there I will give you teh game for free for supporting tournaments, the community, and providing me with a reason to do the updates, because you are supporting my website.
anterior2
Scenario Design Expert
posted 05-06-12 08:14 AM ET (US)     34 / 74       
The installer states you are not allowed to redistribute or sell the mod. I get to choose, not you.
So you are tacking on your own conditions on top of the AoM EULA? This is not looking good for you.
You can't even give someone credit for his work.
Neither are you. You are basically not giving MS credit for the copyright they own by blatantly charging for an account to a mod.


Seriously I'm starting to think you are just a giant troll who is doing this as a joke to see how many people believe him.

StormComing (to me): "Seems like you're way under-ranked"

Check out my series of guides for the scenario editor in the link below! | Best Otto TR score

The definitive collection of my scenarios, along with my scenario editor walkthrough, recorded games, and much much more!
anterior2
Scenario Design Expert
posted 05-06-12 08:15 AM ET (US)     35 / 74       
From there I will give you teh game
See, AFTER a transaction.

StormComing (to me): "Seems like you're way under-ranked"

Check out my series of guides for the scenario editor in the link below! | Best Otto TR score

The definitive collection of my scenarios, along with my scenario editor walkthrough, recorded games, and much much more!
layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 08:16 AM ET (US)     36 / 74       
The installer states you are not allowed to redistribute or sell the mod. I get to choose, not you.

So you are tacking on your own conditions on top of the AoM EULA? This is not looking good for you.

You can't even give someone credit for his work.

Neither are you. You are basically not giving MS credit for the copyright they own by blatantly charging for an account to a mod.


I don't care if it looks good for me or not face the facts.

You buy an account, microsoft does not own that.

Case closed.

Microsoft gets credit because it is basically advertising all over the ****ing place for them. Giving credit has already been done by a tenfold.
See, AFTER a transaction.
Does it really matter? It could be after giving me a blowjob.

Or just not being a complete jackass. Or being a friend.

It doesn't matter how I choose you, the point is they are chosen people that get the game for free, not anyone.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 08:17 AM).]

PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 05-06-12 08:17 AM ET (US)     37 / 74       
charging for an account to use the mod = charging for the mod
This is basically what it comes down to. What I find even more rediculous is that when you have paid for your membership you need to pay large monthly fees just to get updates. As thompsoncs said, no-one is going to do this.
How about we get one person to buy the mod, then provide it free on the web along with a crack that allows us to play without an account
This is the risk you are taking layz, if it gains popularity like with any sort of game this is inevitable. People will find a way to play this without having to pay. Why not make it free? You won't have any sort of copyright issues provided it is only a mod.

Also, we are not playing any mind games, we are simply stating our opinions on this matter.



layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 08:19 AM ET (US)     38 / 74       
"Why not make it free?"

It is free the accounts are not.


Why wasn't AoM or AoERoR free in the first place, I had to pay for those.

You may not be familiar with the term time is money. I've indirectly spent ~20 grand on this. Not to mention lost momentum in my workplace reputation which could mean I could have lost a lot more than that due to momentum loss.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 08:29 AM).]

PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 05-06-12 08:27 AM ET (US)     39 / 74       
It could be after giving me a blowjob.

Or just not being a complete jackass. Or being a friend.
You're dangerously close to crossing the line here layz. Respect forumers at all times. This is your final warning.



[This message has been edited by PhatFish (edited 05-06-2012 @ 08:29 AM).]

layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 08:30 AM ET (US)     40 / 74       
You are just trying to find a reason aren't you, it is quite obvious that I am the one being disrespected.

Aside from the fact that I did not call anyone anything, etcetera.

All I was saying is it doesn't matter how you are chosen, the point is you get chosen for the free copies.

Quite possibly the best one people that have played these games will have played gameplay wise. And nothing but pure disrespect and people trying to cause problems

I have been disrespected in so many different ways here, it is insane that you are picking me and pointing the finger at me.

I question your motives.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 08:41 AM).]

PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 05-06-12 08:46 AM ET (US)     41 / 74       
You've given me plenty of reasons to ban you. I am but one click away from doing so. Consider yourself very lucky still being able to post.

Don't be a fool, and act nicely. If you feel disrespected by our opinions, take a break and cool down for a while.



layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 08:53 AM ET (US)     42 / 74       
Well, you may as well tell others the same exact thing.

If you don't see the disrespect I am getting let me take a dump in your garage (if you don't get that you haven't been paying attention, which is probably safe to assume anyways).

Or lets talk about redistributing the official aom, illegally.

That is banworthy too right?

It's more than one type of hate I am getting.

If others are going to be very disrepectful to me, I shouldn't be the one getting a warning when I explain myself in pretty much a non offensive way. Which is exactly why i said I question your motives to ban me.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 08:57 AM).]

Thompsoncs
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 09:54 AM ET (US)     43 / 74       
I've been working on my mod for over 2 years now, but I'm not charging anything. I did not even include a donation option (though if people want to they can always contact me ). Why, because I wanted to make that mod and make it an community project and a gift to the people who love age of empires. The latest version has just past 700 downloads (in about 5 months), I dont see that happening when you ask money, especially when you ask such a high payment. If you really want to receive payment, ask something like 5 dollars. That way you still get to earn something, but it's a much more customer-friendly price.

The fact that I went for free doesn't mean everybody should do that (though nearly every mod/unofficial remake is free), but if you do make sure that the copyright holder knows. So a post at aoeo forum isn't enough. Mail somebody who has the authority to make a contract on what you can and can't do. Then they can't sue you afterwards. This is advice for your own sake, not mine.

And no matter how much you edited it, the basics are still aom engine, so you are breaking copyright law by trying to sell work of others as work of your own. The makers of Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds probably payed a lot of money to use the genie engine.

[This message has been edited by Thompsoncs (edited 05-06-2012 @ 09:54 AM).]

PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 05-06-12 10:09 AM ET (US)     44 / 74       
(though if people want to they can always contact me )
*donates a pack of oreo cookies*
if you don't get that you haven't been paying attention, which is probably safe to assume anyways
You're the one that's disrespectful here. If you can't handle constructive criticism go someplace else.
I explain myself in pretty much a non offensive way.
Oh, really?



layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 10:15 AM ET (US)     45 / 74       
I've been working on my mod for over 2 years now, but I'm not charging anything.
Is that like in your spare time or something? I took off work and sat in my house for almost a year straight a lot of the time both day and night nothing but coding/balancing sometimes staying up for like 3 days straight, not even eating, not going to the bathroom, was addicted to coding, because I wanted the final outcome. Oh, and I work kinda fast, I had to recode the tech tree in almost full like two or three times to get it where I wanted it, some setups just didn't work for me. Losing money from not working the whole time.
And no matter how much you edited it, the basics are still aom engine, so you are breaking copyright law by trying to sell work of others as work of your own.
1.) I am not selling the mod I am selling something that I make through thronesoftime.com, a membership to have entrance to my members area, where you can chat with other players, have a pvp lobby to go in and start games from, etc. I think most importantly is have access to official tournaments with cash prizes and updates due to having community support from the players.

2.) Other than the basic game engine, please tell me more how microsoft took thier time to recode the whole game. That was all me buddy.

P.S - Did I mention it is most likely the best Age of type game you will probably play as far as gameplay goes?

I'll be perfectly fine playing against the AI I script, won't have to buy another age of game again because they most likely won't top this one once it's balanced how I want it from beta testing, which I can do vs AI.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 10:26 AM).]

DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-06-12 10:25 AM ET (US)     46 / 74       
INAL so don't take my word for it, but if you're just charging people to access your server, then you should be fine. It's when you upload the full game when you'll run into legal issues. Even if you've 100% radically changed the art assets/game data to where it's indistinguishable from Age of Mythology, you're still using their game engine and you have to have a license in order to distribute it online. (I'm not saying you are doing that, just throwing it out there.)

[This message has been edited by Cyrix (edited 05-06-2012 @ 10:26 AM).]

layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 10:27 AM ET (US)     47 / 74       
It's when you upload the full game when you'll run into legal issues
Stop assuming, or read the thread, it has been mentioned more than 2 or 3 times here.

The only thing that I am giving away for free is the part that I edited myself, and you must buy the official game legally, not only is that here but it is also on the site. Before people judge something it would also be nice if they wrote what the person who made it has written down on thier website. I have notes on quite a few things there, including one BIG reason why it is different than any Age of game ever made.


So in short if you don't have an official AoM copy. What I am giving away will not play without it. You have to have AoM installed first.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 10:29 AM).]

Thompsoncs
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 10:28 AM ET (US)     48 / 74       
Yes, I did make it in my spare time, but in the first year I had a lot of spare time. Sadly, not anymore. And that time I could have used to study or work or going to parties. It's not like I didn't have to give up things.

Except you, the rest here agrees that you're in fact indirectly paying for the mod.
Other than the basic game engine, please tell me more how microsoft took thier time to recode the whole game. That was all me buddy.
Well good job recoding stuff, but you didn't code it from scratch now did ya. How much time and money do you think went into developing the aom engine? For somebody pretending to like age of empires, you're actually quite disrespectful to the work ES has put into it.

By the way, what did you think of my 5 dollar instead of too much money idea?
*donates a pack of oreo cookies*
Nice, when will I receive it? I'm hungry!
layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 10:32 AM ET (US)     49 / 74       
you're actually quite disrespectful to the work ES has put into it.
I am really?

I have given them credit and more. They will be making money just due to the fact that some people that want to play this if it gets out there might not have aom, and will buy aom just to play this.


Do you not see me mention microsoft on my website.

The only disrespect I see is being thrown at me.

People who play this will know that microsoft was at the base of it, but didn't recode it.

What on earth do you people call giving credit to microsoft? SERIOUSLY... Credits are given by saying this was xxx by xxx and xxx by xxx blah blah blah.


5 Dollar idea? If this came from microsoft you'd literally hand them $100 for it if thats what they asked.

Did you not buy aom:TT when it came out? I did and it was $60. It was also a very minor amount of coding/modding/etc now that I have things in perspective. When I say minor I mean it would take me less than a day to do the coding/texturing/anim minus the modeling.
I've been working on my mod for over 2 years now, but I'm not charging anything.
Is that like in your spare time or something? I took off work and sat in my house for almost a year straight a lot of the time both day and night nothing but coding/balancing sometimes staying up for like 3 days straight, not even eating, not going to the bathroom, was addicted to coding, because I wanted the final outcome. Oh, and I work kinda fast, I had to recode the tech tree in almost full like two or three times to get it where I wanted it, some setups just didn't work for me. Losing money from not working the whole time.
And no matter how much you edited it, the basics are still aom engine, so you are breaking copyright law by trying to sell work of others as work of your own.
1.) I am not selling the mod I am selling something that I make through thronesoftime.com, a membership to have entrance to my members area, where you can chat with other players, have a pvp lobby to go in and start games from, etc. I think most importantly is have access to official tournaments with cash prizes and updates due to having community support from the players.

2.) Other than the basic game engine, please tell me more how microsoft took thier time to recode the whole game. That was all me buddy.

P.S - Did I mention it is most likely the best Age of type game you will probably play as far as gameplay goes?

I'll be perfectly fine playing against the AI I script, won't have to buy another age of game again because they most likely won't top this one once it's balanced how I want it from beta testing, which I can do vs AI.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 10:38 AM).]

DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-06-12 10:37 AM ET (US)     50 / 74       
Stop assuming, or read the thread, it has been mentioned more than 2 or 3 times here.

No need to be so hostile, I was never assuming anything.

If you read my entire post:
(I'm not saying you are doing that, just throwing it out there.)
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