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Sasuna
Clubman
posted 07-22-10 09:41 PM ET (US)         
i want to start a petition and spread this to a few different aoe ror areas in request that microsoft remake the origonal games. hoping to get couple thousand fans woudl be awesome what i would like to see persoanally is ai increase and graphic increase to about the aok level. not the aoe 3 that would ruin it. but a few things to increase kepp all the same fix bugs also more civs and campaigns and etc. what do you think comment here and if interested i want a mod to hit me up and talk about signing one, also hate mail to this or unreasonable denial comments willl get a result of me cussing u out and a friend screwing up ur com LONG LIVE AOE ROR EXPANSION
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plismo
Clubman
posted 07-22-10 10:38 PM ET (US)     1 / 34       
I sent an email to Ensemble Studios that chariots dominates too much if speed to 2.0 and gave alot of links with no responses. The reason why Microsoft discontinued old games because they didn't wanted to create modifications to the game the old code, so they decided to create new games with new engine technologies that was long time age, the only thing they could do is to remake it from scratch; but I really hope if made doesn't really changes the gameplay just make chariots less dominant and fix the delay of multiplayer games and also fix the bug with bots which causes lag. Does improving networking on the game should impact on gr's and voobly's performance? And also if resign to fix the lag and dropped sometimes, also more space for watchers or a room provided for watchers like a HLTV from cstrike on aoe that would make aoe popular again, you see we all started on campaigns. HLTV is a server which connects to the game especially just for watching it can handle depending on the bandwidth like 3 thousand spectators and it doesn't lags the game just the watching.
Also file map transferred like conquerors and also saving method in case of disconnections. Btw, HLTV also saves the game as a replay and is no longer size than 30 mbs or even 8 or 5 if only 40 minutes of play imagine instead of downloading a whole video.

I played against with magma I don't remember he was teaming
with jmai had persian and magma choson they own us, virrey had egyptian and I had minoan I walled my base twice and I stopped calvaries then magma started killing my minoan composite bowman with calvaries with 1 upgrade dmg and 1 armor spammed around 70 calvaries and they beated us that proves a good player can own chariots however, hoplites are useless and broadswordman, the only hoplites that are good are from greeks with slingers can own or with bowman against camels or calvaries.

Monstermash is the founder of gamespy, halo and I guess he created a sample sold to microsoft of neverwinter nights something called. Would be cool for gamespy to support NAT or someone who has money to create a good patch to play but no changing the whole game just balancing.

You are from BoW sasuna and I, also if I learn programming will be cool if I can do something for the community at least improve latency and reg like counterstrike has special server for bullets registrations with a tool which anyone can improve, also something called interp to guess the position of the player if latency occurs that could be done against units.

Another thing will be to recruit and teach new players which Max_Crazy provides the basic assyrian strat on hills many new players are playing only hills something good or recommend via marketing age of empires rise of rome with multiplayer tutorials and recommend on amazon age of empires and rise of rome and conquerors. Because some players migrate to other aoe.

Make TV like Arirang will be cool see all these koreans watching a game 11.

[This message has been edited by plismo (edited 07-22-2010 @ 10:48 PM).]

Sasuna
Clubman
posted 07-22-10 10:56 PM ET (US)     2 / 34       
yea i hear u yes we would have to get together with microsoft to talk about mods and updates nad a whole remake can be done but to the point of which i talk about, like aoe 3 graphics would ruin the game completely aok is just scratching it barely. but a petition will go so much farther plismo exspeacailyy if we have like 200k signs then they may open theri ears and say hey maybe we can make come money off a remake but only if it is done right they way the fans want it, i ant to get that done and talk updates and stuff with them. if have to remake it then talk about keeping the original game in just new code and like i said what i wanted changed and the stuff u mentioned is good to definitly the lag problems.
Basse
Clubman
posted 07-23-10 05:35 AM ET (US)     3 / 34       
This sounds like a very good idea. But have you put enough thought in to it? Ensemble Studios is gone and Microsoft sues anyone hacking the .exe. I haven't seen Microsoft engage in any of their older games.
plismo
Clubman
posted 07-23-10 08:31 AM ET (US)     4 / 34       
The problem how many people play online? You only see around 100 only around 40 active. Will all these people playing only campaigns are willing to sign or play online, a campaign player will not no how to make the correct changes on the game. People still play campaign especially I guess they get the aoe demo, I got the aoe demo years back ago out with many other free games or trial games that is why you see more campaign player with aoe I guess, they get rise of rome once they know it exist if they finished playing aoe and aoe demo.

Some people may disagree with the changes on the game at least for lag will not be a problem or spectator, replay, file transferred and saving method. The vietnam patch you get a different .exe from 1.0, but you could think other ways without modifying .exe just adding files or using an external program.

See all the kids now only playing counterstrike its an old game but the impact is because it has a scene, aoe had a scene before but because zone dropped the aoe scene got down many clans were retired, now you only see new players getting to expert but they are not good as the past experts some just don't like rushes or saids that you are too rook for them, which I guess before anyone teach any strat expert to another expert.

CS has ESEA sports for competitive matches you pay money to play there and get tutorials by experts if you want and everyone gets really good fast I see players only 5 months playing they learned alot of jumping stuffs, camping spots, etc... They get to high inter really fast, however the problem with cs is the frame drops, if you get 1 fps drops the reg is mess unlike unreal gold you don't notice any fps drops if you run an application one of the reasons I stopped playing and also the search on servers really suck and also latency and a little of reg problems, so they solved the reg problems modifying, boosting giving more priority to server manteinance and if people do magic they can sell per server 100$ if its the best server.

But I don't think RTS will be worried about buying servers, and also I hate that someone lags, makes you lag, if they have crap pc with the turtle sign it will lag the game.

AOE is a much fun game than cs, cs one mistake is really fatal, at AOE it will depend on luck of the map but even if you lose it will not be felt like cs or dota.
Basse
Clubman
posted 07-23-10 09:43 AM ET (US)     5 / 34       
Vietnam patch gives a new .exe? lol

If microsoft would find that out they would probably sue the server that hosts the patch. But wait, 1.0 isn't a patch, it's the original .dat file and .exe. 1.0a/b/c is later patches that fixes bugs and blanances the game with new .exe and .dat.
plismo
Clubman
posted 07-23-10 05:33 PM ET (US)     6 / 34       
So then you can add more information to the original .exe?
I don't know much about laws then you add to .exe so you don't use too much ram on opening another application.

http://www.filefactory.com/file/b2b075b/n/AOEpatch.rar

This is the patch I found, if these people are willing to help let them know about this thread because they seem to have the advantage of creating new balance fixes no other way around to go. I guess raspatch is a nice attempt to balance the game but some people won't really like it at all, I think introducing the game to more people and let all the people doing balances to join forces and create an exceptional one including a AOE TV if you can make it to transmit over TV o making a movie on DVD will be nice, some people have time to watch videos, I know some vietnamese are really good and faster than some of us and also chinese and koreans.

Sasuna if you want AOK graphics then it will be fast to create a mod to AOK and have AOE units.

[This message has been edited by plismo (edited 07-23-2010 @ 05:42 PM).]

Basse
Clubman
posted 07-23-10 05:40 PM ET (US)     7 / 34       
I still don't think this will get too much responding. If, I mean a big IF, microsoft would maybe release a final patch or a next expansion, I think it wouldn't become famous. I mean, look at Gameranger or voobly. Highest player count goes up to like 100 players. That is nothing. Sure, vietnam has thousands but it is not enough. Microsoft wouldn't make any money on making something for an old game like aoe. Maybe they could release the sourcecode for the game, but I doubt they would do more than that.
plismo
Clubman
posted 07-23-10 06:15 PM ET (US)     8 / 34       
I don't think Microsoft will release the source code, Amazon is still selling the game that means some people still are buying the original game. I know that some chinese, vietnamese and koreans makes tournaments every year however, there must be a strong sponsor to make this real. Starcraft blizzard still keeps updates because people still buy it and they don't have to do much and the marketing is the players, many people wants to be like Boxer on SC BW. Imagine that sasuna that monstermash knows alot of programming skills he created a sample of NWN and sold to microsoft with his friends, they could make a TV at least and improve latency a bit, something must be done for this year. Years passing.

Find a strong chinese commercial who has money and likes games he will do something for it.
Sasuna
Clubman
posted 07-23-10 08:25 PM ET (US)     9 / 34       
Alright ill takl to monstermash on it but im not gunna simply give in because you dont think it will work, i mean a couple thousand fans may be all we need once word gets out about it to all the older players just think what may happen if they hear about this we may actually get somewere with this.
Basse
Clubman
posted 07-24-10 04:33 AM ET (US)     10 / 34       
I think microsoft needs to be contacted, no matter what you do. Because I think you need their permission, otherwise they'll delete your plans. Somebody told me about a "triggerhack" for ror which took the aok triggers and put them in ror. This was highly illegal and look at it now, it doesn't exist.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 07-25-10 12:12 PM ET (US)     11 / 34       
It's apity microsoft is too rigid with this... I mean there's a lot of talented people that would make this game better than it is. This reminds me of Red vs. Blue (yup that Galo comic stuff) i heard at first it was illegal but it was so successful M$ allowed the guys to do it
Sasuna
Clubman
posted 07-25-10 08:26 PM ET (US)     12 / 34       
ok but like i said i will talk to monstermash and see were we can get if we decide to start it. and i hope u guys continue to join in my efforts xD.
plismo
Clubman
posted 07-26-10 03:27 AM ET (US)     13 / 34       
But I don't think I'll program anything I only know really basic programming not really being able to make any program, and my time is getting shorter work and university. So I hope my ideas get this to a pro programmer like monstermash and he will do it or anybody else.
The idea of the HLTV like counterstrike(cs) is that you can view any player's point of view so you don't need to watch only 1 player its like resigning and watching and you can see the resources and the life of the units you will think people will spectate and tell them by chat or voice, however you can disable spectator chat so they don't bother players and also voice, if enable really good quality of voice so you don't need to use teamspeak to keep it simple with push to talk of course, what they do in cs is that the spectator delay is 1 or 2 minutes or even more so they cannot tell their friend via voice the problem will be telling at what clock he is but only dishonest people will do it but believe me its worth noob players will watch experts or inter they will like the game more and more players to play.

The main problem is that people don't know that gr or voobly exists I don't think they are going to search you know people that does not loses time searching and also some noob players are booted that they leave forever.

[This message has been edited by plismo (edited 07-26-2010 @ 10:45 AM).]

conborua
Clubman
posted 07-28-10 09:57 PM ET (US)     14 / 34       
The problem how many people play online?
i say that in Viet Nam there are more than 20000 people who is playing aoe ror every day.

You can see the the number of the player on garena while 2000 other player is playing on cga( like garena but made by china) everyday. In china, there are also a greater number of the player.
We are happy to play aoe ror until someone call hacker try to hack aoe. The hacker try to make a trainer mean you can use some cheat like reveal map, no fog, pow,... We have prevent it by make a .exe with no cheat, when the player type cheat he will been disconnect from the game. We have happy to play aoe ror for a long time after. But the hacker have made a new hack program to hack empires.exe. It can hack map like no fog+revealmap and who use that hack not been disconnect, oop. I've been thinking a lot and find out how the hack affect the game. I think it insert to value in ram of empires.exe, because the hack program had made by code of cheatengine.com. But i'm not a programmer to know how to make the hack can't hacking the game anymore. Nomally, we play by our skill. If you want to win you have to develope fast than your opponent so you have to explorer map to find resources and the opponent. We usually use one villager to explorer map which it is a skill to play. But some player use hack so they can the the opponent, they don't have to find resourses so they can develope faster than by skill of us, they can win in that way, the game become not independent. So that a lot of player who real love the game not play it, i hate to say it.
All the thing we need when play the game is independent and 'fresh'. I try, i try, i try to make some thing, somewhat can prevent the hack program, to happy when play, aaaaa, but i can't done it, aaaaaaaaa. Then the hacker change the database empires.dat. I don't know what is the way he done but even use hacking database play with standard database they not been disconnect, furhaha. Now the hack player can do something you can't believe: they build stable in stoneage it to buy scythe chariot, aaaaaaaaa, they buy villager from house and the villager is trained with only 1 seconds,aaaaa. I try, i try to find out the hacker change empires.dat by the way we change but something differences.
Only thing i want to it is game with no cheat, no hack, play by skill of the player. I need help.
You can dowload hack version from here http://www.mediafire.com/?byylqblf99iun19
(you open hackfull.exe and find empires.exe, start the game nomally, but you have map hack and hacking database)
Help me please, you can analyze how the hack working to find a way to prevent it. Very thank to you.
We love aoeror and happy to play.

[This message has been edited by conborua (edited 07-28-2010 @ 10:03 PM).]

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 07-29-10 12:10 PM ET (US)     15 / 34       
You should contact Microsoft about that hack. This is just an old fan site, and we're powerless to do anything about things like this. I'm not sure that MS will do much about it, but at least they are the only party in the legal position to do something about it, and they can threaten to prosecute the website where you can download that hack, and maybe, but I doubt it, they'd want to get the programmer. But don't forget that this game is over 10 years old and that MS has all but abandoned it.
plismo
Clubman
posted 07-29-10 09:44 PM ET (US)     16 / 34       
Its normal that some playes are genius and have to program cheats or search hacks around the net. At CS there is a player who cheated in the past as he grown he became pro he is good. You can see people that cheats, bad sportmanship, and ego mind; but they help to develop the community you see how voobly players are so ego when they lose one game on gr starts to call out teammates rooks or just too slow.
What they don't know that some players coming from voobly or zone trained us or at least we watch once and we work alot on speed instead of water maps, that is why some gr players only plays hills the problem is that I learned on gr and I never really thought no tool rush or kor setts which are stupid setts for me or no paint are just for rooks. However they still are part of the community maybe they can influence aoe.

Cheats are common on any game I mastered cs and MOHAA and people from northen america saids that I had a really good aim impossible and also with that ping from guatemala which I know how to configure perfectly cs to work it on tight with reforce and rate 20000, cl_cmdrate 60, cl_updaterate 60, ex_interp 0.08 and many stuffs 59 hz is the best hz for any game and untick safe monitor as it replaces refresh from reforce you will have two refresh rates bad gameplay and bad sight. When they see me really good they starting to use cheats and also people wants to be known something I don't really care I just like to see more players and even if you are not known you can kill known players with better skills however some unknown are just stupid or uses cheats.

At MOHAA some people cheats because they are kids not adults or not mature kids. MOHAA I was really good the problem was the ping I could not tweak rates unlike like CS.
MOHAA got the best sportmanship and best team players you see good clans which I come from one however, I was still inmature and left that clan with a bad attitude at the end I thought they were too rooks but then they started dominating.

You guys are lucky to have alot of players we all want America to have more players some people at gr enables cheats when they start the game and some people do not see it they change it really fast before starting the game enabling it. That is why I support new players but not with excuses from kor setts, no rushing or reveal map . Hope someone on china or vietnam or even korea does something about that hack and also some dream tournaments we will like to see on future believe me it takes uniting forces to make it making deals sponsorship with americans or any other country, but if they see inmature players like voobly players from RoR they will not do anything about it so I guess the hope is on the Asian side.

[This message has been edited by plismo (edited 07-29-2010 @ 10:21 PM).]

conborua
Clubman
posted 07-29-10 11:06 PM ET (US)     17 / 34       
Please help us, make ror non-hack, please, i believe you can.
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 07-30-10 03:32 AM ET (US)     18 / 34       
@conborua: the people in this forum, including the staff, don't work at MS, they're as powerless as you are.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 08-01-10 12:30 PM ET (US)     19 / 34       
peter is right there's nothing we can do. Also this forum hasn't been visited by the now disappeared esnsemble Studios in years i think.
Basse
Clubman
posted 08-01-10 12:59 PM ET (US)     20 / 34       
I think ms has completely forgot about aoe -.-
Thompsoncs
Clubman
posted 08-01-10 03:03 PM ET (US)     21 / 34       
Perhaps some of our older member can get in contact with them? Maybe we can persuade them to do make age of empires 4 about the classical period.
Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 08-01-10 04:44 PM ET (US)     22 / 34       
Yeah sure that would work out, or well, it could work out if Microsoft wasn't so soulless. Since Ensemble Studios has been broken down and then reformed into the independent Robot Entertainment, and with Microsoft holding the rights to the franchise, I do not think it is very likely that we will see any additions to the AoE series.

//The warrior of Isola

"I lack quotes that demonstrate Humor Intelligence or anything about me."

Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris
Rasteve
Clubman
posted 08-03-10 03:17 PM ET (US)     23 / 34       
Basse
Clubman
posted 08-03-10 04:11 PM ET (US)     24 / 34       
OMG!?! Rasteve is back!!

And yeah, Spartan has been under development for a while now, but I bet it won't be the same as aoe

[This message has been edited by Basse (edited 08-03-2010 @ 04:13 PM).]

Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 08-03-10 04:20 PM ET (US)     25 / 34       
Spartan eh? Doesn't sound exactly like AoE, though if it's developed by the same people it could become an interesting game. However I always felt like ES lost a bit of their talent near the end anyways.

Where have you been Stevie?

//The warrior of Isola

"I lack quotes that demonstrate Humor Intelligence or anything about me."

Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris

[This message has been edited by Fruktfisk (edited 08-03-2010 @ 04:21 PM).]

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