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Rasteve
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and your point is?  perhaps not so. helepolis with their fast fire rate can even belt or 'flame belt' elephant archers quickly. for scythes, it would be the same as critical mass archers with faster attacks and not only that with an even stronger attack. not too sure about the priests though, since they are not such a big or 'fat target' compared to the other two, however, priests have weak hp. i could only see some helepolis killed by elephant archers since they also have weak hp and some converted by priests but to a meaningless extent. scythes might kill very few if they are lucky. it will take quite alot to remove the group. Stone throwers + engineering are better IF you can protect them.unless scythes can be moved to a position to deal maximum including adjacent damage, but still that also is not likely to destroy let alone damage much. you need them to be 'shield bearers' and you need siegecraft. wood also lasts so long, towers may also guard whatever trees are left. 'stone' is likely better to sustain damage than 'wood' therefore, towers may stand longer than chariots. even 40+ scythes may as well be cut like flies if they try to assault numerous towers. you will need stone thrower + engineering, and hopefully you can sustain that. including those with heavy cat + engineering, armored elephants or jihad + siegecraft? and then your stone throwers here wont work. lets give them some armored eles shall we? since that is your experience. do you think we can go by that alone? that sounds more like what a n00b would 'hope' for - the other guy to resign. and then surprise - heavy cats to crush all your scythes, elephant archers and priests! what ever happend to 'I Rasteve, do not like realism'? also 'Real life is boring anyway'? and 'Do not forget it is a game'? and with that being said, isnt the point of the 'game' is to win? what happens if we just called it a draw 'so nobodys feelings get hurt'? Again, there you go with the DM. and while all that is happening of them attempting to distract the elephants, there are also heavy cats and/or helepolii behind the eles which will crush and kill all those 'nuisances'. many dead dumbos? i think not, but rather many rubbles, dead archers, dead priests and dead scythes. In terms of the 'actual battle' of Kadesh. Egypt won as the success of timely reinforcements ensured this. In terms of Kadesh itself, the Hittites kept control of it but were pinned inside its walls. Originally, the Hittites surprised the Egyptians and were winning, but then Rameses rallied his personal guards chariots and charged repeatedly at his foes routing them out. Meanwhile, the King of Hatti still had a large reserve force left and so he ordered them to attack but then the timely arrival of more Egyptian forces combined with Rameses Amun 'then surprised' the Hittites routing them out and forcing them to flee across the river. Rameses having won however, found that it became meaningless to continue with his hold on Kadesh and decided to withdraw his siege. Basically, Hittites 'were winning' by surprising the Egyptians but then Rameses charged at them and then the Egyptians pulled 'a surprise' if not the same, on the Hittites. Seems like the Egyptians just simply outmuscled the Hittites but then later otherwise became less interested. The Egyptians later came with interest again and then again. Two and three years later, when Rameses came back to punish the Canaanites to remind them of their vassalage, he then this time, took Kadesh. His victory proved to be ephemeral however, and when he left, the Hittites regained control. He came back yet again a year after that and did the same, but nevertheless his success yet again was equally as meaningless. That's when both superpowers 'grew tired' and did a treaty. except setting it at your convenience with the economy though you will require some timing. also i disagree with you on the hotkeys being micro as thats not micro-intensive but its more so a shortcut. finally, once you get your army (of any size ready), theres really virtually no micro in terms of movement, attack. "the overall manner in which a player manages his units and the development of his bases - making them complete and operational in RTS" the overall manner, PERIOD. you can set as the example i mentioned above and set your economy by convenience and timeliness, use hotkeys as shortcuts and then grab your army whole and attack. in the game its about pitching player versus player and even if with micro involved, it is all about their competitiveness in them managing both military and economy simultaneously - and that my friend, is macromanagement.  use macromanagement to build the towers, attack cavalry etc and rush at the same time. some actually overlap each other, so you can conveniently do them simultaneously such as for example forward builds also lead to rush so you may come across them while counter-rushing and use those as well. and what delay is there to make your rush less effective? you can still mine stone in the middle of a rush unless you were negligent. you can do that for example before your bronzing up once you see that you got some good amount of food or wood. its the same as if you were to cavalry rush, you need gold right? and at 80 gold per cavalry is very expensive. thats why your rush doesnt have to be later and if you hit a wall then you can simply move your economy to your forward builds and prepare to surround and siege and engulf. the point of rush is to achieve the best offense for the best defense. you can ignore your economy and simply catch up later with your economy by having them at your forward builds. someone booming and walling while rushing cant expand at the same time now can they? and you can also pull the same surprise and who says you cant? i stated what a rush is all about. its not 'think' its 'do'. you may wall, fine. a rush that hits a wall can also choose to forward build and surround the walls and make a quick work instead of necessary booming hard for it. they can make use of the remaining map next. also who says you cant train some more vills? if they should also forward you then its a different game then. .now did i say just simply make all that trouble just to get a stone thrower? you can tower outside their walls or something to harass whoever close or block whoever attempts to leave. if you really are going to just simply get a stone thrower ready then couldnt you simply use brute force instead? and btw this wall thing is considering if its not babylon or shang, then its at different standards. did i say towers stops rush? the way you build your towers is to simply have them just like stone archers at the scene (i.e. right next to your woodcutters). they are to provide additional attack as necessary when you engage in a melee. yes i managed to get 3 towers and the sentry upgrade and if you are talking 16 villies then you are at a different standard, if you are talking guard tower upgrade then you are somewhere else.  woodworking only results in +2 extra carriage and +1 extra range. for the wood part, its simply carry 2 extra wood and NOT chop wood any faster and +1 range doesnt matter much. and besides, i can simply get it while i am bronzing up ;p the wheel is nevertheless researched first thing you hit bronze just for that purpose of speeding your economy to create troops faster for the rush, during it and after. and i dont know about your standards but its not simply make 16 villies to 30+ ASAP. if that was also the case then wouldnt macedon and persia need it then as well? the wheel is NOT the next step. you also said sometime earlier about saving the food and wood instead of researching wheel so it can be used towards more cavalry and more stables for a rush BUT you are missing the BIG picture, wheel is inexpensive (175 food, 75 wood) and its benefit can simply pay itself almost instantly and can simply result in you getting more food and wood faster for your cavalry and stables. saving the food and wood required of wheel is negligible towards you getting any more cavalry or stables. also, if you were to compie rush for any reason including minoan (which i like compies better than CAs), then you first of all need to be fast enough to beat everyone to bronze. you may choose to wheel before you rush or during (and i would prefer before but recommend during) but then again its all about your timeliness to bronze which historically for minoans they had a flourishing early bronze age so that shouldnt be a problem should it? so what about the fact you now have elephant archers cheaper than the cavalry variant war elephant? that doesnt make sense does it? normally should be the vice-versa. the cheaper archers thing is acceptable but you still got to consider the above even if it seems meaningless. we are talking about your RasPatch, AoH can wait. cheaper infantry also sounds good as legions are simply the persian immortals. again we were talking about RasPatch. the hunting bonus is good but remember once you are in the tool age, then its a different standard and beyond that hunting would become scarce. or helepolii can simply ignore the priests and simply quickly belt out the elephant archers OR even lets say there were heavy cats as well to smash, pound and destroy your priests! just like the above, except even worse and you are likely to lose should you pull that. really? seems to be your favorite topic since you refer back to it even when i was talking about something generally. keep in mind RM can also eventually result in a sizable army. also why you hating on siege? because you are just not tough enough, sir. ;p you can do this but does that mean you dont have cats following close behind? true. but that so much says your skill right there. ) PLUS the next wave being the hcat??? GLonly 30 AE+30cats? even so the cats will pound down some if not many of the slow marching elephants and do a great deal of damage to the 80-100 AE. ballista towers protect cats and land. and the AE you have also protect as a buffer and can settle out the melee with the now weakened former 80-100 AE. plus if your next wave is hcat, then your AE can just simply stay where they are and act as a buffer for your hcats. that is only 1 unit vs 1 unit. what about if there was 10 vs 10 with that extra stones and stray stones flying? then hitt can also lose the same as to the regulars. and the purpose of double hp for hittite is so they can withstand that. provided if the scythes can get close to make this significant. i say increase min range rather than degrade the bonus (of double hp) i say again see above. see first said. the purpose of the bonus is NOT so someone else has it easier on the one with the bonus see above. except the math and variables on the siege wars first said. of course i will ignore the melee units vs hcats part ;p it gets very confusing otherwiseits the same english if not considering more. elevator and lift are the same. friend and amigo are the same too. ;p we either truncated or made the word look prettier (; What about lack of wheel, no ballistics etc - these are not weaknesses? A weakness is essentially something you cannot do/do not have etc - something which can be exploited (Palmy cannot rush, Persia "cannot" boom etc). A weakness is your "flaw" - in terms of things you cannot do or things others can do against you etc. Weakness is a characteristic as opposed to strength. A strength is something you have or can do which is (generally) better than the "standard".those arent weaknesses. those are a lack thereof. others such as missing wheel are handicaps but certainly not a weakness per se. as far as aoe/ror refers to weaknesses, it is considered as something that goes against the civilization such as the old AoE persian farming example. others including starting with aok are simply 'we will give you this, but we will take away this' thereby giving them a 'strength' and a 'weakness'. a missing tech or unit is a lack thereof or a handicap if it is significant because the civilization still has its regular means and can make do elsewhere compared to something that hinders them. to put it in easier understanding, 0 is better than -1 or worse. All civs have strengths and weaknesses because they have different tech trees AND bonuses which make up their characteristics...all civs have characteristics of different tech trees and bonuses, but since ror eliminated negative bonuses, all civs have strengths. there are no weaknesses. Again, numbers mean little. You have to play the game to identify which current numbers could/potentially need changing then make a "trial and improvement" move where you make the change and test it out.numbers mean quite a bit. but at least you are talking sense on the testing part. i do test. In terms of testing: play the patch and state what you did and what happened (giving a comparison of what you would expect considering the original game).i did and i stated examples. All the changes have been discussed and reasoned previously. You need to state which ones you don't understand in the opening thread.theres nothing i dont understand about when it is reasonably considered. simple reactionary answers or implying such including 'Hittite is OP. Let's reduce their hcat because I am too weak.' i and perhaps many others wouldnt understand (and will definitely complain). (; General problems: may i ask you why is 200 pop limit the standard? Good! this is AoE and its about pitting your best ultimate units to the fight (i.e. juggernaut owns all!) the extra features such as gates and cheap wooden wall and conveniences such as shortcuts idle villager etc in aok would be nice but the weak attributes i would rather do without. archers and siege are not supposed to be weak, let alone pathetic. What? why do you need to tone down OP and 'boost UP' making no sense to be bit closer to AoK level? this is AoE/RoR and AoK (except the extra features and conveniences) SUCKS. We need sturdy units, we dont need any weak-ass units. ultimate and best units meaning the best upgrade you can get to is an 'ultimate unit' which cannot be countered that easily (eg. juggernaut as the 'ultimate' warship owns all ships. you will need juggernauts of your own or some other ultimate unit such as hcats to take them down.) For RM, if the resources and time lasts that long, it can eventually get players to upgrade to the ultimate unit to fight to the death (such as cataphracts and legions). DM is a sure fire. Specify why?: They get everything and OP hcats (and again, I repeat myself)that sounds like that one taunt 'I am weak. Please don't kill me. (Repeats again).' more like 'i cant beat them so i will weaken them instead. i will make it so i start at post-iron and them in the stone age.' ;p But they are OP too excessively, plus get best backup units (techs and super units). They are capable against all civs.OP too excessively? *as the King of Hatti* 'Well then you can kiss my grits.' so what if they are capable against all civs? arent all civs capable towards all civs? And which one is far far more likely AND do-able?wall. what you really wanted me to answer that? and watch they do an early rush to prod your wall open that hasnt been fully built yet and then sneak onto you without being noticed.  So Egypt cannot win by starving them of gold, then using stone throwers with engineering to mop up towers etc and having ele archers/scythes and priests cornering the other player?unless that player is a n00b and doesnt put anything on reserve including gold, then YES. So theyYES. what you want me to say? So theySee above. It is only essential to make the next move - eco boom/grow and walling.False. Not necessarily, in fact it is essential to speed up your first move to begin with once you hit bronze! ...so eles and hcats are not common?so what about your choson wars or hha or simple brute force? So you don't play GameRanger or IGZ/Voobly?yes i do. i been playing ever since IGZ.  Sorry but you lose since he claimed victory first. ;p6 villies on wood is not uncommon if rushing (remember you need over 2000 food and around 1000 wood to double jump). If you need more wood you probably have a second group chopping else where (such as near berries or gazelle/ele..).so youve gathered 2000 food and still havent advanced? 'Well then, arrest in your foolery.' no wonder they outrushed you. ;p you know the idea of civilization bonuses is to add special strength characteristics to the civilization NOT make up for weaknesses. (i.e. lets see, that civ is notable with gold but doesnt have coinage so we will make them have an extra gold bonus.) kind of like we will give this to X but take X away so that it is not available. ;p ...about realism... Is it possible to make siege weapons 'repairable'? I mean, to have to repair them with villagers (like AoK) instead of healing them with priests (I think that's unrealistic :P)What? HELL NO! and remember Rasteve 'I Rasteve, do not like realism', 'Real life is boring anyway'? i would even recommend make boats healable! with priest, dock or both! and we HATE AoK. its perhaps the worst of the age games because the units are so weak its pathetic. i would probably say only keep buildings repairable unless you see fit that to make them both healable and repairable! Please Rasteve do not degrade AoE/RoR to AoK. and btw can you make priests heal at range? |
Duan Xuan
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Hmm, am I missing out on some very lengthy debate?...
Too long for me to read, haha.
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Nacht Jaeger
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Rasteve
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12-02-09 03:31 PM
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).).. - again they are better than other chariots (and make the backbone of Egypt's DM strat. In terms of RM I don't think Egypt need anything, they are perfectly balanced in terms of how 200 pop games are played (archer wars and/or chariot wars - they have very good chariots and can train compies)..), a further 1-2 on gold, 1-2 forwards and the remaining 10-12 villies giving you the resources to perform a cavalry rush, with wheel and 3 towers? At what time do you bronze? At what time does the other guy rush?that is only 1 unit vs 1 unit. what about if there was 10 vs 10 with that extra stones and stray stones flying? then hitt can also lose the same as to the regulars. and the purpose of double hp for hittite is so they can withstand that.splash damage from extra stones effects both sides. In fact it will hurt non-hitt more (as it currently does) as they don't have the same level of hp. provided if the scythes can get close to make this significant. i say increase min range rather than degrade the bonus (of double hp)Even if they get to the front line it takes over 10 hits against a non-hitt hcat. That is more than enough time for other cats in the group to fire onto the front line. Again, hcats are more likely to die from friendly fire than anything else. Consider hitt - it is more like 20 hits which means scythes are never going to be sufficient at destroying these beasts . The changes require scythes to hit them 4-6 hits less (for kill) and catapults can put up with 1 less friendly fire hit. This is not drastic for such an OP unit.Nothing can be considered "more English" than the English language  i did and i stated examples.Where? theres nothing i dont understand about when it is reasonably considered. simple reactionary answers or implying such including 'Hittite is OP. Let's reduce their hcat because I am too weak.' i and perhaps many others wouldnt understand (and will definitely complain). (;Problem: Hittite is OP. They have most Iron Age super units, techs and have bonuses in archery range (RM), navy (RM) and siege (RM/mostly DM). In RM they are considered a good civ but not essentially the best because of the huge number of game variables (including the ability of other player(s) stopping the civ getting to the iron age). In DM they are considered a good civ as they are capable of producing the standard AE + HCat strat, capable of scythe and capable of HHA. HCat bonus makes them walk through many civs will minimal effort (as not all civs have the ability to tackle siege which has all upgrades and bonus hp). Solution: Reduce catapult class bonus from 100% to 50%. Reduce missile class bonus from +4 to +2 may i ask you why is 200 pop limit the standard?That is how everyone plays online (GameRanger/IGZ/Voobly) plays the game - carried over from the Zone days. I like AoM but there is no need to force the rock-paper-scissors method onto AoE. You get counter units, but it gets a little tedious having counters to the counter, which can counter that counter etc...it makes me dizzy in AoM chasing things around in circles. A lot of features in AoK make the game much longer. TC attack stops very quick rushes, gates allow for far better defenses, markets allow for generation of required resources etc. This game requires less micro (which is why it has a different and broader fan base - micro is a tedious skill). What? why do you need to tone down OP and 'boost UP' making no sense to be bit closer to AoK level? this is AoE/RoR and AoK (except the extra features and conveniences) SUCKS. We need sturdy units, we dont need any weak-ass units. ultimate and best units meaning the best upgrade you can get to is an 'ultimate unit' which cannot be countered that easily (eg. juggernaut as the 'ultimate' warship owns all ships. you will need juggernauts of your own or some other ultimate unit such as hcats to take them down.) For RM, if the resources and time lasts that long, it can eventually get players to upgrade to the ultimate unit to fight to the death (such as cataphracts and legions). DM is a sure fire. that sounds like that one taunt 'I am weak. Please don't kill me. (Repeats again).' more like 'i cant beat them so i will weaken them instead. i will make it so i start at post-iron and them in the stone age.' ;pIt is a general consensus that siege, and in particular hittite, are OP. OP too excessively? *as the King of Hatti* 'Well then you can kiss my grits.'Er, no. Greek vs Assy, Minaon vs Roman etc are all one-sided RM games. In DM Assy, Shang, and even Palmy are not that good. What about Yamato against anyone with a ballista tower + scythe combo? wall. what you really wanted me to answer that? and watch they do an early rush to prod your wall open that hasnt been fully built yet and then sneak onto you without being noticed.Yes, I wanted you to admit that a wall is a very good counter to a rush. YES. what you want me to say?It was just in earlier posts that you pointed Persia and Macedon out as inferior civs. False. Not necessarily, in fact it is essential to speed up your first move to begin with once you hit bronze! You don't get it. You hit bronze upgrade with everything pretty much in place for the rush (gold miners, forwards etc) so that on hitting the age you can train the units. The wheel is not essential to the rush but the aftermath (unless going for CA). The point of micro-skills is to have 0 resources (all spent!), the rush puts the other player back in eco strength and then you move above them in overall strength. A well-timed cav rush can set the end of a game. What if 2 cav turn up and kill 6 woodies? What if 1 cav is still alive (picking off villies etc), what if the cav finds your TC and the rusher plots foundations around your base? By the time the wheel upgrade is researched your cavalry will be ready - you move them in and have your town walled and/or boom so what about your choson wars or hha or simple brute force?These are specific settings and/or team games. The standard 1v1 is ele then hcat. yes i do. i been playing ever since IGZ.I suggest you go to the multiplayer forum and let everyone know your gameranger name so youve gathered 2000 food and still havent advanced? 'Well then, arrest in your foolery.' no wonder they outrushed you. ;pI hope you were joking here: 500 - tool 800 - bronze 650 - 13 extra villies (total of 16!) Additional food required for techs, units etc. you know the idea of civilization bonuses is to add special strength characteristics to the civilization NOT make up for weaknesses. (i.e. lets see, that civ is notable with gold but doesnt have coinage so we will make them have an extra gold bonus.) kind of like we will give this to X but take X away so that it is not available. ;pExample: Greek SUCK in RM because someone runs in with CA and they cannot fight them (hoplites too slow, slingers crap, cavalry cost etc). This is a characteristic (greek weak in bronze/vs archers). I added a slinger bonus which lets them confront archers better. However, they are still weak - the chracteristic has not changed. This will allow for more interesting games, as the Greeks have a fighting chance of hanging onto the next age. Surely you can see this as an improvement. You suggestion of giving Persia the wheel is more towards what you are accusing me of What? HELL NO! and remember Rasteve 'I Rasteve, do not like realism', 'Real life is boring anyway'? i would even recommend make boats healable! with priest, dock or both! and we HATE AoK. its perhaps the worst of the age games because the units are so weak its pathetic. i would probably say only keep buildings repairable unless you see fit that to make them both healable and repairable! Please Rasteve do not degrade AoE/RoR to AoK.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA Wouldn't "healing" siege help macedon (think about it?). In terms of priest healing range - no! I will take a deeper look but no (I do know how to make priests convert towers at range ). This is simply because of the engine (it would be also nice to have auto-heal - helps reduce need for micro skills ).@Duan: And I was looking for someone of your calibre to help me out here @Nacht: You are lucky Wheel - original game = gave +67% (or something similar) boost to villager speed. In RasPatch this was rounded to 70%. I may reduce this to 50 or 60% to help Mace and Persia [This message has been edited by Rasteve (edited 12-02-2009 @ 03:41 PM).] |
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splash damage from extra stones effects both sides. In fact it will hurt non-hitt more (as it currently does) as they don't have the same level of hp.Are you sure you have tested this at the lower HP? If should the Hittites survive, how much HP is left with them? How much fewer hacks are required to dispatch them now? Even if they get to the front line it takes over 10 hits against a non-hitt hcat. That is more than enough time for other cats in the group to fire onto the front line. Again, hcats are more likely to die from friendly fire than anything else. Consider hitt - it is more like 20 hits which means scythes are never going to be sufficient at destroying these beastsOr if ballistics cause otherwise and for the ones too close for the cats to attack, the cats may all stand ground not fire and use the fewer cats in front to 'attack ground' or the player may be superaggressive and just fire all cats anyways regardless of casualties from friendly fire if that could save time? Oh, and don't forget the other units helping the cats nearby. ;p Where?What about the siege wars resulting numbers and the numbers regarding how much they can withstand significantly in any such attack? Problem:your solution to the problem is reactionary and is because 'im too weak so i will reduce cats'. have you done any testing so far in regards of your action causing a reaction? including the siege wars thing i had said about? unlike the reduction of the warships range NOT missile class bonus that is justifiable because it balances with the choson and minoan tower and compie thing respectively. That is how everyone plays online (GameRanger/IGZ/Voobly) plays the game - carried over from the Zone days.Really? All this time I thought it was just chosen at luxury when I played with those. Also the Zone days I remember were either 50 or 255 only sometimes was it 200. I like AoM too, but you do see why it is not necessary after all didn't you? Yes, but with those lots of features also comes at a price to make the game much longer especially castles and against weaker units especially archers and siege even their best infantry and cavalry are weak also.
It is a general consensus that siege, and in particular hittite, are OP.Well that is because they are either n00bs and/or weak and/or couldnt handle it. Er, no. Greek vs Assy, Minaon vs Roman etc are all one-sided RM games. In DM Assy, Shang, and even Palmy are not that good. What about Yamato against anyone with a ballista tower + scythe combo?couldnt the above use cats and ballistae? Yamato can use hha or centurion + tower combo and engineer stone throwers to eliminate ballista tower. It was just in earlier posts that you pointed Persia and Macedon out as inferior civs.now where did i pointed them out as they were inferior civs? *with a Nelson Muntz* haha! You don't get it. You hit bronze upgrade with everything pretty much in place for the rush (gold miners, forwards etc) so that on hitting the age you can train the units. The wheel is not essential to the rush but the aftermath (unless going for CA). The point of micro-skills is to have 0 resources (all spent!), the rush puts the other player back in eco strength and then you move above them in overall strength. A well-timed cav rush can set the end of a game. What if 2 cav turn up and kill 6 woodies? What if 1 cav is still alive (picking off villies etc), what if the cav finds your TC and the rusher plots foundations around your base?i get it plenty. i do get everything needed in place for the rush and then some. the wheel is essential to back up your rush besides for CA. i think you are confused with a different and perhaps off topic here - micro to have 0 resources all spent is what you do with starcraft. so is that your strat? you simply spend it all at once without necessity that it leaves your economy totally defenseless? i know the idea of the rush is to put the other player back in eco strength and then you move above them in overall strength but unless you are 'hoping' for that alone will wipe them out, you will need to not spend all your resources down to 0. im not saying dont use your resources but you will need to do better than that. it seems as though your cav rush is either piecemeal or weak based on what you said above that i could easily pull a counter-rush if desired. as a matter of fact, i have experienced that sometimes where i got cav outrushed but instead i chose to ignore his cav and go ahead and rush his 'all spent' eco instead and continue forward building on it. by what intuitive luck, i slaughtered his economy and then before he could do anything about it i then took out his remaining '2 cavalry'. so what if 2 cavalry showed up to kill my 6 woodies? what about my 3-4 cavalry killing his whole economy? if that 1 cav is still alive and even tries to pick off my villies then i would simply 'bone' it to death and/or have it get shot. that cav finding my town center then wouldnt even be an issue. if the rusher should plot foundations around my base, i would know about it and i would simply destroy his foundations before he could build them (as well as pick off a couple villes) (; These are specific settings and/or team games. The standard 1v1 is ele then hcat.so a 1vs1 ele and hcat cannot be a specific setting and/or team game? also yes it is a standard but you did not ask for standards you asked for 'common'. ;p I hope you were joking here:yes i know the math, but are you saying you took all that trouble just to gather 2000 food and you did nothing else? Example: Greek SUCK in RM because someone runs in with CA and they cannot fight them (hoplites too slow, slingers crap, cavalry cost etc). This is a characteristic (greek weak in bronze/vs archers). I added a slinger bonus which lets them confront archers better. However, they are still weak - the chracteristic has not changed. This will allow for more interesting games, as the Greeks have a fighting chance of hanging onto the next age. Surely you can see this as an improvement.how about Example: Greeks are just being a wuss in RM because they couldnt have tool or cav rushed them first to prevent 'someone runs in with CA' or they couldnt have walled and/or towered to stop someone from running in with CA or they failed to use slingers properly to beat the CA. This is a chracteristic of (greek PLAYED weak in bronze/vs archers). It is not because Greek are actually weak. The slinger bonus you added is piecemeal and perhaps negligible providing the same player didnt play them right in the first place. slingers may be generally weak as an individual unit, i will give you that but they will be nothing but weak if not used properly. what about a mass of them? then their characteristic would not be weak. Improvement? Surely you jest? My suggestion of giving Mace and Persia the wheel is to actually improve and raise them to higher standards NOT piecemeal them. that was a different topic from the aok. i only asked you if you were capable of doing such. i didnt ask you should. that is why I asked to make them both healable AND repairable. allies can heal macedon anyways. and healing also eliminates the nonsense of using excessive resources just to repair like in AoK. You do not need to make priests convert towers at range. also auto-heal was a reason why i suggested 'heal at range'. that may even make an overall improvement to the game. so now you are going to worsen and reduce to lower standards instead of trying to improve? |
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Rasteve, good luck with the RasPatch. I am looking forward to this as I am looking forward to your AoH patch. Recently I installed half of the RasPatch (version 0.5, lol) on 3 networked computers and loaded up a network game.. Unfortunately no computers could connect to the game "Could not join game" and we had to play with chocolate vanilla RoR (1.0a). If theres any way to play the patch in a LAN setting, could you please let me know? Much appreciated.
I would especially like to witness the extra fire damage and "superunit" bonuses in MP. 
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Thanks for the suggestion Basse, if the computers had internet I would definetely try Gameranger
.. as it stands though, I might do a complete reinstall and then patch ..Do you know what version of RoR you have?
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