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jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 06-25-09 08:35 PM ET (US)         
In a full tech DM game, which combo(s)of units will own all?

JQ
Armored Elephant/Centurion/Heavy Horse Archer

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Axoren
Clubman
posted 06-25-09 09:20 PM ET (US)     1 / 32       
Priests/Scythe Chariots/Composite Archers

Edit: OH, rush? I don't know then... If you could pull off my combo as a rush, all power to you.

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[This message has been edited by Axoren (edited 06-25-2009 @ 09:21 PM).]

Ninetails
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posted 06-25-09 09:50 PM ET (US)     2 / 32       
Full tech? Hah! That's for noobs.

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Axoren
Clubman
posted 06-25-09 10:41 PM ET (US)     3 / 32       
You essentially make having different civs meaningless that way.

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Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 06-26-09 01:44 AM ET (US)     4 / 32       
Armored Ellies and HCats I guess, you don't need anything else.

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Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris
Helelix
Clubman
posted 06-26-09 04:09 AM ET (US)     5 / 32       
well, if your playing against human players and no AI players, I would use slingers and axeman. Your opponent would be laughing so hard that they leave the game and then you win be default.

But in all seriousness though, who wouldn't go for units at the end of the tech tree? you'd be stupid if you didn't.

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jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 06-26-09 10:34 AM ET (US)     6 / 32       
"well, if your playing against human players and no AI players, I would use slingers and axeman. Your opponent would be laughing so hard that they leave the game and then you win be default."
-Helelix

Funny, but your average opponent would have a good laugh and then overwhelm it with AE/HCats. I would flood scythes/CAs myself, which would be equally funny(when not facing priests).

"Preparation is not prevention. Just because you know what's coming does not mean you can stop it."
--Me

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Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 06-26-09 11:05 AM ET (US)     7 / 32       
HCats + HHAs + Scythes are my favourite. I know AEs are awesome too, but they walk too slowly for my liking. And I'm afraid of priests when it comes to this part of the game.

Anyway, I usually play DM starting in post Iron too, together with full reveal. Most online games are like that, rather than starting from Stone. It's more fun like this because you can immediately get all your superunits and start a big fight. For me, I can paint the map. Irritating for the opponent but fun for me.
Axoren
Clubman
posted 06-26-09 03:04 PM ET (US)     8 / 32       
Helelix, wanna have an Axemen/Slinger death match some day?

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Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 06-27-09 02:17 PM ET (US)     9 / 32       
Armored Elephants + Heavy Catapults + Heavy Horse Archers

Hittite of course, who do you think i am? lol!
Gumble
Clubman
posted 06-28-09 01:19 AM ET (US)     10 / 32       
Gumble has found a 30,30,30 mix of elephant archers, heavy catapults, and helipolis all fully upgraded to be very devestating. Everything other than catapults will get munched by a group of 50 fully upgraded helipoli. Especailly if they are stationary. Let the fodder come to you...

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Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 07-01-09 09:04 AM ET (US)     11 / 32       
And tell us gumble: what civilization has Elephant Archers, Heavy Catapults and Helepolii? I have never heard such a thing.
Lord of the KamL
Clubman
posted 07-02-09 11:01 PM ET (US)     12 / 32       
Roman legions and helopolii, or Greek centurions and helopolii.

Use HC's if not using hand to hand combat units, otherwise I find they get squashed.

Of course, NOTHING beats a horde of KamLs...
Gumble
Clubman
posted 07-03-09 04:31 AM ET (US)     13 / 32       
A magic civ, Gumble doesnt know. All he knows is that the combo rocks. And Camels!? seriously? In a dm game that has a lot of resources any heavycalvay/catapract unit would own camels.

Too many people say far too much about Gumble. They also claim Gumble says far too much which isnt true.

One man's truth is another man's lie. Seek TRUTH to escape this moral mire.

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Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 07-03-09 08:13 AM ET (US)     14 / 32       
Camels actually do beat Heavy cavalry, and in terms of cost I think they're pretty much even with the cataprachts.

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Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris
Fallen91
Clubman
posted 07-03-09 10:42 AM ET (US)     15 / 32       
I'm bored of the turtle-speed of the academy units. Why not try the mounted.. centurion strategy???

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Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 07-03-09 02:59 PM ET (US)     16 / 32       
Today I was rushed by hittite HHA's, they actually beat my armored ellies after a lot of reatreating, but then I had HCats up.

//The warrior of Isola

"I lack quotes that demonstrate Humor Intelligence or anything about me."

Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris

[This message has been edited by Fruktfisk (edited 07-04-2009 @ 04:42 AM).]

jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 07-03-09 04:59 PM ET (US)     17 / 32       
Elephant archers, maybe? They can't really retreat when they have to come within your range to shoot at you. Then again, the HHA is the best cavalry archer in the game, going mainly on sheer attack power.

"Preparation is not prevention. Just because you know what's coming does not mean you can stop it."
--Me

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Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 07-06-09 03:51 PM ET (US)     18 / 32       
And decent HPs, armor and of course speed. They could be the fastest land unit: faster than hack cavalry.
jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 07-07-09 06:00 PM ET (US)     19 / 32       
Besides, a regular HA can beat a CA in a fair 1v1, fair meaning nobody tries scoot-and-shoot tactics. The only reason an HHA couldn't beat an EA in fair 1v1 is because the ele has 600 HP!
Also, HAs and HHAs have 2 pierce armor. Which I have learned is a big deal in this neck of the woods.

"Preparation is not prevention. Just because you know what's coming does not mean you can stop it."
--Me

Something to remember: always know where you're going, but never forget where you came from.

The Age of Chivalry is upon us! Visit the only wiki devoted exclusively to Aoc:H by clicking on the preceding link. Oh yeah, and it works with the HD edition, too--just make sure to get this first.
Lord of the KamL
Clubman
posted 07-08-09 01:11 AM ET (US)     20 / 32       
I think PIA Assyrian villagers and Palmyrn? camels are also the same speed as HHA's. EA's get squashed by HCats.
irwinner
Clubman
posted 07-08-09 09:52 AM ET (US)     21 / 32       

Haven't played online since the zone became roadkill, but I would say rush immediately with scythe (assuming iron start, no upgrades required here) to start harassing the opponent, backed by AE (you already have the stables up), and then finish with heavy cats (if the player is still standing!)

Without full tech tree, i would go for persian ele rush
jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 07-08-09 03:18 PM ET (US)     22 / 32       
Centurions with ballistas up front, with HCats to knock out towers. Ballistas are nearly impossible to dodge, and a larger pain in the you-know-what than even HCats.

"Preparation is not prevention. Just because you know what's coming does not mean you can stop it."
--Me

Something to remember: always know where you're going, but never forget where you came from.

The Age of Chivalry is upon us! Visit the only wiki devoted exclusively to Aoc:H by clicking on the preceding link. Oh yeah, and it works with the HD edition, too--just make sure to get this first.
Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 07-08-09 04:30 PM ET (US)     23 / 32       
Sure, Heleopoli are even better. The Problem is that although they're awesome against any melee unit, Even Scythes, HCats pwn them in a single attack. One rock breaks down multiple ballistas before they get a chance to hit it. However if you opponents civ doesn't have HCats I clearly prefer the Heleopoli.

//The warrior of Isola

"I lack quotes that demonstrate Humor Intelligence or anything about me."

Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris
jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 07-09-09 05:19 PM ET (US)     24 / 32       
More like this...
(C=Centurion, B=Helipolis, H=Heavy Catapult)

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"Preparation is not prevention. Just because you know what's coming does not mean you can stop it."
--Me

Something to remember: always know where you're going, but never forget where you came from.

The Age of Chivalry is upon us! Visit the only wiki devoted exclusively to Aoc:H by clicking on the preceding link. Oh yeah, and it works with the HD edition, too--just make sure to get this first.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 07-13-09 10:15 AM ET (US)     25 / 32       
That could be useful, jordanthejq12. Of course with the same investement they stand no chance agains an army composed only of Heavy cats. If they hit the helepoli and Centurions first (and they will because of they better range) the battle would be decided. And, assuming, they have the same range, the enemy h cats would join the battle too late, and maybe even facing a superior force (vecause instead of investing in helepoli and centurions it was invested in h cats). Instead of centurions i would use elephants of course no civ has elephants Hcats and helepoli.
Also i guess greek higher speed academy units could be useful in this situation, making it a bit more interesting.
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