Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 06-12-07 08:49 AM
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2 / 28
I don't agree with u.
Macedonia is one of the worst DM civs. AE and HHA - that's all, but these units don't have any bonuces.
As Carthage was developed for DM, as Macedonia was made for RM. It is a strong bronze age civ - I am just frustrated about their vills that can't run away.
Troops and towers? So, u mean I have to tower up all places, where my vills are working? That's not a good idea, and I need my army on the battlefield, I can't have too much soldiers at my base. And what soldiers? If u play persians, u keep 5-6 cavalry near your vills? Hmm, perhaps it helps...
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 06-12-07 12:39 PM
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5 / 28
ok
Persia
When I play persian I have to strike first and it is not a big problem if I have animals to hunt, I can bronze faster even than assy or yammi,
BUT
sometimes there is a bad land with no eles or with 4-5 thin deers - how can I attack fast and hard with this? With bad land I loos my speed and have to defence.
Macedonia
The +2 light radius helps, but not so much and I can't bronze faster then assy or yammi. In that case I want to have an advice from a macedonian expert how to defend with their slow vills?
Max_CRAZY
Clubman
posted 06-12-07 01:47 PM
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6 / 28
Persian with no good hunting is the worse RM civ in AOE... No Wheel, no second wood cut, no more than 1 farm upgrade... slow vills, shit eco, no special unit from stone age to bronze age... even if u reach iron, Elephants cost too much and enemy can easily kill your economy with Cavalary Archers.
Greek is the 2nd worse for RM.
i barely played with macedonia, so i dont know well... but looks like its as bad as greek, not eco/military advantage, plus no wheel sux balls.
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 06-12-07 06:52 PM
ET (US)
8 / 28
yeap!
but!
some people play persia in RM and kill their enemies!
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 06-13-07 05:20 AM
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10 / 28
But an assy expert will always kill persian expert, right?
Max_CRAZY
Clubman
posted 06-13-07 12:24 PM
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12 / 28
of course if im much better than my enemy i can own him with any civ... in aoe an expert can beat 7 newbies vs 1 or 3-2 inters vs 1.
if both players have aprox. same |v|... of course the better civ will make a big diference... out of 100 games i would barely lose 1 game if im assy/yam and my enemy (who has same |V| as me) is using a slow civ such as greek.
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 06-13-07 06:16 PM
ET (US)
13 / 28
Persians can kill in DM, but what about Macedonia? It is much worse in DM then persia, but also hard to play in RM. So, who knows how to play Macedonians well?
Dangrimm
Clubman
posted 06-14-07 09:29 AM
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15 / 28
Macedonians shine when under the control of the a.i
Thats about all. :P
Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 06-14-07 11:07 PM
ET (US)
16 / 28
Persies are really fast in RM - you can Bronze in under 13mins without much trouble if you explore well for animals. They suck in Bronze though, so I never use them in RM unless it's random civs.
As for Macey... tried them out before with Centy's hoplite rush, but it's too hard to execute. And with massed enemy archers, their shield doesn't really help. They're not good for DM either.
And yes, the extra speed due to wheel really makes a lot of difference when your villies are fleeing and rebuilding. It makes all the difference between losing right away and staying and putting up a fight.
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 06-15-07 01:37 PM
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17 / 28
Duan Xuan, I agree with u. Persians could be very fast. Sometimes I bronze in 13 or 12 or even in 11 minutes!! In that case, persian player has to bronze early and make a cavalry rush? Otherway he gets to the bronze war.
And about macedonians - they are weak in DM, also in RM, so what for this civ is?
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 06-15-07 06:10 PM
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21 / 28
There are also some old threads about playing Macedonia, find them with the search function. One of them says that you shouldn't play Mace as if it's another kind of civ - rule one is you must attack, attack and did I say attack? If your macedonian army is harrassing the villagers and buildings of your enemies, odds are that their army isn't harrassing your peeps. If your STs are destroying their houses they need to rebuild them just to increase their pop, to mention just one thing.
Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 06-16-07 02:19 PM
ET (US)
22 / 28
I guess Blitz is right - you need to take advantage of Macey's LoS bonus and execute a good tool rush. Once the enemy's econ is hurt, it'll be easier to follow up with a hoplite + ST combination. Otherwise... I really doubt it's going to be possible to beat any archer civ one on one. CAs aren't that bad yet... massed compies are even more fearsome - they're cheap and have 5 attack.
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 06-16-07 03:09 PM
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23 / 28
Find my enemy, using LOS? But everyone can find his enemy without this bonus. Also every expert can defend against a tool rush.
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 06-18-07 06:25 PM
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26 / 28
So, Macedonians have to use LOS with a good luck and then make a tool rush, killing or at least slowing an opponent - that's tha case, right?