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Dr Lorenzo
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posted 02-14-03 09:26 PM ET (US)         
I'm undecided, but are they worth it?

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SnakeEyes
Clubman
posted 02-15-03 00:12 AM ET (US)     1 / 36       
slingers....... the alternative unit. If all you have is stone, then I suppose raing death on your opponents with slingers is good.

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Iron Hoplite
Clubman
posted 02-15-03 07:03 AM ET (US)     2 / 36       
If you upgrade them with the Bronze Shield and Stone Mining in Bronze Age, I guess they do stand a chance against Chariot Archers.

I rarely use them, though... (I'm more of a fan of the very original AoE)


Heck... who can beat a Mithril Colossus Hoplite like I am one now...?
Besides, Zeus agreed to help me, and Athena to love me...
CenturionZ_1
Clubman
posted 02-15-03 09:43 AM ET (US)     3 / 36       
You should only ever build them when facing a archer slanted civ, then slingers can devastate an archer rush.

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BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-15-03 02:34 PM ET (US)     4 / 36       
Expert RM players know that Slingers are the best massed unit in the Tool Age. If you can get 3-4 barracks booming slingers non-stop, you will have the best army on the Tool Age battlefield. Actually a 70/30% ratio of slingers/axers is the best army in Tool.

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Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 02-15-03 05:36 PM ET (US)     5 / 36       
As far as I see it, there best point is being able to fire so fast.

DR LORENZO
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I of course meant bastard in a positive way! - Kor
I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
JK_daddy
Clubman
posted 02-15-03 08:39 PM ET (US)     6 / 36       
Blitz whats the best civ to do a 3 rax slinger rush?what sort of times are u looking at?do u dock in stone age when planning this type of rush?i notice most of the players on the zone use yammy when picking civs even when going slingers...
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-15-03 09:24 PM ET (US)     7 / 36       
JK_daddy:

Most players pick Yam in 1v1's primarily because of villager speed (you can walk shore fish to pits farther and your villagers can't be ran down if caught forward building). Shang is probably the second most popular because they "should" have more consistant Tool times because they need to gather less food. I like Roman too to Tool attack because they are very fast.

I Tool Rush in 1v1's every game and in 3v3's when I have a "rush civ" (carth/greek/choson...other games it is map and opponent dependant)

The most consistant Tool rush is a 20 villager Stone Age with a Tool Time under 8:30 (7:40 would be perfect time making 17 vills and hitting Tool at 5:40). There is no docking until Tool with this strat. I try to have one rax up by 5:30 and que 5 clubbers and the second up by 7:30 (it makes one clubber then does axer upgrade). I begin the rush with clubbers with armor by 9:00-9:20. I upgrade to axers and "usually" don't make many more axers than 6-7 before I switch to Slingers.

If you can have 3-4 rax booming Slingers, you will need 3-4 villagers on stone and you will need the stone upgrade in the market (for the slingers more than the increased stone production).

Once you have massed 10+ Slingers, keep making them, but start attacking. Massed upgraded slingers are powerful because they will kill massed axers, massed bowmen, massed scouts = all other Tool armies. They also eat through walls and can take down scout ships. There isn't anything in Tool that they aren't effective against when massed. Most 1v1 Tool wars that lasts over 30:00 comes down to who has the biggest slinger army.


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Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 02-15-03 10:06 PM ET (US)     8 / 36       
I only use iron start, but Slingers are a good non-gold unit.
(Nothing compared to the awesome non gold scythe)

DR LORENZO
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I of course meant bastard in a positive way! - Kor
I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
CenturionZ_1
Clubman
posted 02-17-03 05:08 AM ET (US)     9 / 36       
If you Iron Start why bother with tool units? Common sense. Slingers are only useful in Tool and Early Bronze.

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Iron Hoplite
Clubman
posted 02-17-03 07:40 AM ET (US)     10 / 36       
By Iron Age, if your civilisation has access to Horse Archers, then slingers are useless - despite the bonus against them, it is just too tiny to have an effect. Besides, priests can heal them...

Heck... who can beat a Mithril Colossus Hoplite like I am one now...?
Besides, Zeus agreed to help me, and Athena to love me...
JK_daddy
Clubman
posted 02-18-03 05:18 AM ET (US)     11 / 36       
thx blitz btw whats the best method of defense vs this kind of attack?Sometimes vs a fast tooler ur map isnt condusive to matching the 8-8 30 tools that pple achieve..In your experience does tooling later,having docked asap in stone age( tooling maybe30sec-1 min but with more vills) walling in and trying to bronze a workable method?(conti map)
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-18-03 12:46 PM ET (US)     12 / 36       
JK_Daddy:

Here are the options I choose if attacked by slingers:

1) If 1-3 slingers walk into my town, I immediately send over my villagers (a dozen or so) and bone them to death.

2) If 4-10 slingers get close to my economy, I run my villagers and try to mass a bigger army of axers and slingers and engage them when I am on a hill.

3) Slingers are very vunerable to cavalry so if I am Bronzing and I have access to gold, I will get a cav/slinger army to go kill whatever mass of slingers my opponent has.

Remember that if you Tool late with even 8-10 more villagers, but your opponent has already massed a dozen or so Tool units and is very aggressive with them, you will probably lose.

Here is what I will never ever do:

1) Try to build an army of bowmen against upgraded slingers (even Assy and Hittite bowmen die).

2) Build towers.

3) Try to Bronze if I don't have access to a gold pile for cavalry.


I have been on the giving and receiving end of massed slinger armies (20+ slingers) and I know that slingers can overwhelm even Assy CA's if the massed army is sitting at the Assy archery ranges. Cavalry and Stone Throwers is really what puts an end to even the biggest mass of slingers.


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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 02-18-03 04:08 PM ET (US)     13 / 36       
What about spear chariots?

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Iron Hoplite
Clubman
posted 02-18-03 06:47 PM ET (US)     14 / 36       
Chariots, I reckon, will work against Slingers as well, though not as good as Cavalry, considering a Cavalry has 8 base attack and 150 HP. I think Cavalry trains faster than Chariots as well (correct me if I am wrong - I only know that for a Chariot Archer).

I can't be certain, though, as I have never gave/received a Slinger rush before...


Heck... who can beat a Mithril Colossus Hoplite like I am one now...?
Besides, Zeus agreed to help me, and Athena to love me...
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-18-03 09:18 PM ET (US)     15 / 36       
Iron Hoplite:

Correct and with Chariots you have to wait 80 seconds for the wheel vs. Cav is instantly available in Bronze.


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Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 02-18-03 11:34 PM ET (US)     16 / 36       
Yes, Slingers are certianly a versatile and interesting unit. Scythes are the best unit, in my opinion.

DR LORENZO
AoEH | Woad Creations Alumni
I of course meant bastard in a positive way! - Kor
I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
JK_daddy
Clubman
posted 02-19-03 00:19 AM ET (US)     17 / 36       
Blitz in your opinion who are the top 30 players on the zone(conti no rev)
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-19-03 07:46 PM ET (US)     18 / 36       
JK_Daddy:

Everytime I make a list of "Top Players" I get in trouble because it is controversial because I forget people. But I will go ahead and give you my top 30 list. BTW we are doing a 1v1 Conti Tourny of all the old school and elite players to find out who is the best 1v1 Conti player "ever". You can check out that forum at:
http://boards.gamers.com/messages/overview.asp?name=httpsuk&page=1

Anyways my list of Current Top 30 players includes (not counting myself of course):

Top 10 Players (in no certain order)

hill_berries
eXiGe
Dakotou
UnbrokeN
RFR_Gold
Water_1_God
NoFood4U
_Mandate
Http_Merlin
FIREBLADE

Next 20 Players (in no certain order)

chromage
_dream_star_
_Y_A_O_U_R_T_H_
VC_Vinhngo
Devilz_Mantis
__D_u_K_e_
BroKen_Lover
Http_Cosmic
Continue_Dream
x2_venom
BonBon_Sword
+_Matzy_
__Mr__Black
YKK_ElTrombe
Volvo_Racer
_Ruly_Rage
Make_me_Run
cheonju_in
WarOfDeath
LO2D

** Now I know there are a lot of players that I probably skipped over because I just went down my Zone Friends list to pull out these 30 names. However, I would say my top 10 list is probably in agreement with all "Zone Experts" Top 10 list with Goldy, hill_berries, and UnbrokeN being the current best RM players on the Zone.


Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?
JK_daddy
Clubman
posted 02-19-03 10:06 PM ET (US)     19 / 36       
Interesting blitz thx 4 that.Btw ive played merlin prolly 20/30 times with/vs in aoe dang that guy is good.Unbroken is regarded by many as at least top 3 in aoe also.I watched him a few times he plays very good defense plus his micro and dancing is awesome.Watched gold once in aoe very good player also danced his ca like nothing ive ever seen..How do u think u will go in the tourney?Im wondering if any elites from aoe will follow noble brother over and have a go.Will be interesting to see if they can adapt to the "toolage fighting/booming" that ror players do..gl anyway..
Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 02-19-03 11:13 PM ET (US)     20 / 36       
Worst?
Nightlord_260 Maybe?

DR LORENZO
AoEH | Woad Creations Alumni
I of course meant bastard in a positive way! - Kor
I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-20-03 12:58 PM ET (US)     21 / 36       
JK_Daddy:

Another great AoE player that plays RoR is Continue_Dream. He isn't on a lot, but he is a great player.

As for the tourney, I am a lot more excited to see who wins with so many great players involved, rather than where I finish.

I think a lot of elite players have been looking for opportunities to show how great they really are. Very few people in the gaming world really give the RoR elite players their respect. I have played games with "old school legends" like Matty, Stalin, etc. and I just think that the level that Goldy, UnbrokeN, hill_berries, and other RoR elite players is at a higher level of gaming than the old schoolers or even the AoK legends like Koven, Grunt, and RD_Champion are (were) at.

I know that Gold and eXiGe were dominant in AOM, along with other RoR players like Rotherson and chromage (there are more I am sure, these were the ones that I just thought of).

I think this tournament is a great place to have elite players from AoE/AoK/AoM come test their skill against some really great competition here in RoR.



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JK_daddy
Clubman
posted 02-20-03 03:51 PM ET (US)     22 / 36       
Nice points in there blitz btw never see u on .Id really like to play u man , u can get some practice in kickin my ass lol
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-20-03 04:17 PM ET (US)     23 / 36       
Hey the best way to find me is on MSN at blitzkriegcomin@earthlink.net

I am on the zone most week days around this time. BTW my Zone nick is spelled BlitzkriegComin NOT BlitzkreigComin.... yes I learned how to spell.


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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-20-03 05:11 PM ET (US)     24 / 36       
Lol it's good to see you back here guys. Blitz, do you think you will ever finish those articles?
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-20-03 05:30 PM ET (US)     25 / 36       
Which articles was I working on Peter? Was it write ups for each individual civilization? I can't remember......

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