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KA_Breydel
Inactive
posted 12-24-98 01:06 PM ET (US)         
I'm VERY angry at the moment. Not to mention frustrated as well. I met this very annoying, cheating, betraying, lowlife player yesterday in a 3vs3 inland game in ROR's Quirinal room. Civs were random and teams were like this:

TEAM 1:
KA_Breydel : Macedonian (that's me)
Furh : Minoan (a new friend of mine)
Marcus_Petreius : Choson (never met him)

TEAM 2:
Rumata : Assyrian (I allied with him in another game, great player)
_Rangers : Phoenician (never met him)
_Socrates_ : Yammato (never met him)


When it was early Bronze, both Furh and Marcus_Petreius told me they were under attack. I had about 6 slingers and wanted to help Marcus_Petreius because slingers are slow and he was nearby me. I told him that. He said it was already too late and that I had 2 refugees coming to my camp (meaning 2 of his vills). I said "OK". I kept the 6 slingers in my own town to protect his 2 vills. I already had a large area with a lot of resources walled in and an awesome hill for defense on the enemy's side just before a shallow. I was vill booming from 2 TC's, had 4 siege workshops poping out cheap Macedonian stone throwers continously and slingers from 1 barracks as well, because the enemy had CA's. I think I can say that I had a nice defense for those CA's. Then this happened:

Suddenly Marcus_Petreius changed diplomatic stance with Furh & me to enemy and allied with the enemy. I thought he accidentally clicked a wrong button and asked something like "Huh?????". Then he said something about that he never saw those 6 slingers helping him. I still couldn't understand it and asked him why the f**k he did it. Then he said he follows _Socrates_ everywhere. Then I realised it. IT WAS SET UP LIKE THIS ALL THE WAY, EVEN BEFORE THE GAME STARTED!!! I started yelling at him and asked the 3 enemies what they thought of his betray. Only _Socrates_ answered and said "I asked him to do it". Yeah, sure man, it's part of your plan. A little later, Furh resigned and I did it too (after yelling some more). I even didn't bother looking at the achievements and quit the game instantly.

Back in Quirinal room, Marcus_Petreius (sounds even like Marcus_Betrayer) started harrasing me with Zone messages. I said I would post in Heaven forums what he did to Furh & me. He said "Nobody probably reeds that *****anyway". I hope it will turn out the other way and that this post has many replies. Obviously, the guy never heard of Heaven forums.

In one of his last messages, he said that I should "fight" with him in a rated room. Well, I'm sure that Marcus_Petreius plays this ugly cheating trick with _Socrates_ a lot in rated rooms, just to get a high rating.


Here is what I think we can do about it, because this has to be stopped:
1. We should never play ANY game with Marcus_Petreius or _Socrates_.
2. If you are a member of a clan, or you visit other forums too, please COPY-PASTE this text and post it in there. I'll post it in my clan forum too (KA = Kingdom of Ages at http://come.to/kingdomofages).
3. Talk about those 2 cheaters to all of your zone friends. In general, spread the word around. Again, their names are Marcus_Petreius and _Socrates_
4. Please reply to this post to keep it on top of the forum.


Here in Belgium, we have to pay about 1$ (1USD) to the telephone company for each hour on the internet (and an additional 85$/year or higher to the internet provider). Playing with guys like them certainly isn't how I want to spend my money, I know better ways for doing that.


In case you think I'm a 12 year old child who can't stand loosing a game, well I'm 23 years old and I play almost every day at the Zone.


Brey,


AuthorReplies:
PheNoL
Inactive
posted 12-24-98 01:57 PM ET (US)     1 / 35       
i hate stupid people like that.... ill post this on the "lamer" page that will be put up soon at the dream clan website.
http://members.xoom.com/rordreamclan


PheNoL

Desert_Fox
Clubman
posted 12-24-98 04:19 PM ET (US)     2 / 35       
Thats very, very SAD... and I used to know Soc very well... I'll have to take a second thought at playing with him again..

A *******off

DF


FanatiC KaBaN
Clubman
posted 12-24-98 04:31 PM ET (US)     3 / 35       
WoW! And i just played 2 games with Socrates yesterday, the only thing i saw unusual is that both times he got disconnected in a situation where he could have lost. He seemed like a nice guy...

We played random civs and i got BABS, he made me tower the whole map up. I mined like 3 stone mines by 20 mins.


Socrates
Clubman
posted 12-24-98 06:23 PM ET (US)     4 / 35       
In response to the slanderous posting that you have made... I simply have this to say:

I don't know Marcus_Petreius, have never met Marcus_Petreius, and didn't need his service to win...

Had you viewed the achievements you would have noticed that the yamoto death sqaud under my command was rolling better than they had in quite a while. The roll started at the aforementioned Marcus_Petreius and ended with you and Furh...

That is correct, I slaughtered Marcus_Petreius and gave him the opportunity to give me all his resources. Not only did he give me his resources, but, he allied with us. I didn't tell him to do that.

Get it straight now. I do not play in the rated room. Ratings suck. If you are mad about having to pay to play on the internet that is not my problem friend.

I challenge you to find one person that will confirm the fact that __SOCRATES__ is a cheater. Until today I thought _Desert_Fox_ would go to bat for me at any second. I am glad your post showed me otherwise.

You know my name... We can settle any lingering disputes on the battle field.

__Socrates__
Bring The Noise


Rumata
Clubman
posted 12-24-98 06:24 PM ET (US)     5 / 35       
Well, I understand why Ka was so annoyed. The truth of the matter is, Soc was about to drive Marcus into the ground and offered him an option of Ally or Die. I myself think this is a very interesting development. Obviously, playing with friends one would not think of turning against them. With casual acquiantances, it's down to the integrity of the influenced player. I emphasise that under no circumstances was this match rigged. Think carefully - why would such an advanced player as Socrates spin a web of intrigues to win Ka_ who is very resilient and shows promise but is still a rough diamond, and the other two who were effectively rookies.
I restmy case.
Rumata


Spam
Clubman
posted 12-24-98 07:31 PM ET (US)     6 / 35       
Actually, turncoating in the way you described seems like quite good "roleplaying" when you think about it. Civilizations are not known for fighting to the last man. Switching sides was common in ancient times, and there's no reason why it shouldn't be common in AoE too.

KA_Breydel: Yes, you were betrayed, and you have every right to feel pissed. Howeber, it happens in war - another name for it is diplomacy. If its any consolation, a trick like this won't work in the rated rooms, since changing preset teams automatically results in an incomplete.

Spam


KA_Breydel
Inactive
posted 12-24-98 09:18 PM ET (US)     7 / 35       
My response to Socrates' reply:

1. If Socrates, like he says in his post, didn't need the "services" from Marcus_Petreius' (MP from now on), then why did he offer the allience? I'm sure that if he thinks a little further than that, he would have realised that it would have ment the immediate end of the game. That way, he would miss the joy of trying his "dead squad" on my untouched civ. Would be sad, don't you think?

2. Socrates says he never met MP. MP said he follows Socrates everywhere. Who to believe?

3. Soc's "dead squad" never reached me in contradiction to what he says. In the last minute before I resigned, I was in battle with Chariot Archers, and Yammie don't have them .

4. I'm very sure that when I asked the enemy players what they thought of MP's collaboration, Soc DID say he offered it. Again, a contradiction to his post.

5. I didn't say I'm mad for paying to play online, I just said the money would be better spend. I still think so if games are like that one.

Then to you Soc,

If I read the replies from Desert Fox and FanatiC KaBaN, they don't indicate in any direction as how I know you, on the contrary. Probably, I just got a very wrong first impression of you. Everything in my first post was based on interaction between MP and me, and only 1 line from you, which fitted perfectly in my "case". If it is true that you never met MP before or cheated with him like that, I hereby appologize for my statement. This makes it even more difficult to understand why MP said those things.

Then, you've challenged me in a battle. From what I've read here in Rumata's post, I'm very sure that you will win 10 out of 10 games against me. This doesn't mean it's not open to try it. I'm usually online from 22.00h until 02.00h CET.


Emowilli
Clubman
posted 12-24-98 09:48 PM ET (US)     8 / 35       
Lighten up! All of you . Its just a game...a very good game but still just a game. I know I have allied with enemy players who have tributed me all their stuff before heh. Its kinda cool, gives weaker players a way too win with diplomacy.


KA_Breydel
Inactive
posted 12-24-98 10:01 PM ET (US)     9 / 35       
Now to you Spam,

I didn't knew that it was impossible to turn sides in a rated room and win the game like that. But I remember the first game that I played in classic AOE rated room, I got beaten very hard by two expert players (after my ally resigned, got disconnected or defeated). I myself was newbie at that moment. After learning some strategies from them, they both changed dipl. stances with me to ally. For all of us, the game was over and I did it too and so co-won the game like this. When I looked at the ratings after the game, it said that I won 1 game. I don't know, but maybe that's changed in ROR rated rooms (or with the new rating system).

Brey


Leviathan
Clubman
posted 12-24-98 10:58 PM ET (US)     10 / 35       
Hello all,
I have played with Soc many times (maybe 1500 times in the last year) and he has never done anything to what you describe. And futhermore i know for a fact that he does not play in the rated rooms because ratings aren't accurate and ppl can boom their rating by cheating. Just last night we played like 5 random civ games and he was far from cheating. He did die once and didn't disconnect. He will lag a bit during games, but that is his isp's fault. People shouldn't believe the first thing they hear. (you Fox) If this happened always this would be a more confusing world than it already is. I have know Soc to be a very kind guy(the guy that sits in a zone room to answer all the lone newbies questions). I think he would never cheat and he is far from it. He doesn't need to cheat and has proved himself to me many times over. Remember it is only a d*** game anyways. Get over it.

Leviathan(_Leviathan_)


KA_Breydel
Inactive
posted 12-24-98 11:27 PM ET (US)     11 / 35       
Now I think we are left with one big question here: When you are almost defeated and the enemy offers you an allience, should you collaborate? (Put yourself in Marcus_Petreius' shoes in the above example.)


I would say... NEVER!


If you were MP, and you saw the "You are victorious" on your screen, would you actually feel like you won that game? I certainly wouln't! I would more feel embarrassed of stabbing my former allies a knife in their back while I read that line.


I don't know if you agree, but the games where I feel the best about my victory are these ones:
I'm going very good in Bronze until the enemy comes in and almost completely destroyes my civilization. I can escape from my abandonned TC with about 5 vills and run to my allies' strong walls & towers. I say "Hey, let me in, open the wall! Hurry, he's coming!". After he opened the wall and closed it again, I start rebuilding in his backyard like mad and have a nice economy and military growing there. When he needs help or when I feel I'm ready to face the enemy again, I go on the offensive. Then there will be an enormeous post-iron battle with heavy losses on both sides. You are running short on all resources and are fighting with the enemy for that last bunch of trees (sounds familiar?). If you can eventually move forward and slowly destroy your enemy's civilization, isn't THAT a victory???


Actually, I had a AWESOME game like that in the first week I played AOE online. It was amoung 4 beginners and it lasted for over 3 hours. The only difference was that I lost that game . But even now, no doubt it's still the best game I had so far and made me an AOE addict immediately! From that game, both an ally and an enemy are still now on top of my Zone friends list. The 3 of us are now beyond "beginner" but still look back to "OUR" game. I really made 2 friends there, and if I didn't play that game back then or exchanged e-mail adresses, I wouldn't be in KA clan today.

What I'm trying to say here, what sepparates the "great" games from the "usual" ones, is when your TEAM has some nice ups & downs going during the game. It doesn't matter if it's among newbies or experts, or wether you win or loose, it's all the fun you have as a team that matters.

You wouldn't believe how many games I played where I tried to rebuild my TC & my buildings, because they were all destroyed. Ask Rumata about the game I played with him just before the "famous" one. All I had left at a certain moment was a storpit and some vills, after I already build all my buildings twice, starting from scratch again. Even though I knew we would loose that game, I kept on hanging in there because Rumata needed wood so badly. Until the last villager. Amen


I would also like to refer to Ender's post in ROR forum: "When to Resign - I say never!"
In that forum you will find some beautiful examples on how important it is to play as a team, and to win or go down as a team.


If I have to choose between collaboration or resigning, I'd resign immediately! When I see one of my allies collaborating, I'll always resign immediately from that game too.
(Next time probably without making such a big hassle about it )


Well, that's how I see it IMHO,
Brey


Socrates
Clubman
posted 12-25-98 00:31 AM ET (US)     12 / 35       
In regards to resigning:

You are correct if there is any possible way you can aid in the war effort i say stick it out, don't resign. Unfortunately MP didn't see it that way. He took my comment as "gimme your stuff and join our team"... When it really was "dude you are in trouble, pay your taxes and I will move on".

It would indeed be nice if every game that i played lasted 3 hours and was filled with drama. I have noticed in playing that when you team with total strangers their commitment to the war effort may not be as strong as everyone elses. You know what i mean, one chariot archer shows up to the sunshine soldiers undefended tool village and blammo: Help, Help, Help... When no help comes for whatever reason civil war breaks out. Civil War? You know, name calling, resignation with no explanation, diplomatic stance changes, and so on.

But life goes on... What is the best way to avoid these problems? Good question. I always start with playing with zoners that I know. Unfortunately that is not always possible. So, when it is not possible get ready for some sunshine soldiers and summer time patriots. The United States of America overcame that problem no reason we can't...

After All... IIJAG (It is Just A Game)

__Socrates__
Bring The Noise

p.s. "man i don't post this much at methos' forum... go figure"


FanatiC KaBaN
Clubman
posted 12-25-98 01:21 AM ET (US)     13 / 35       
Well, dont we just hate traitors? I hate them in Real World as much as in RoR. So many traitors had to mess things up for Greeks and Romans, sheesh... why did God even create those creatures ...

Anyway Socrates ....... Um..... i forgot what i was gonna say... Oh, yeah i figured you wouldnt cheat, we played a good game together and you made very good plans, why would you cheat to win a non rated game anyway? Thats is stupid! You still wouldn't feel like a winner. I myself hate playing Rookie/Newbie players because beating them is just no fun. Not to mention that you feel sorry for those 15 villagers that he has.

Kaban


atel
Inactive
posted 12-25-98 03:32 PM ET (US)     14 / 35       
just put them on your ignore list just as all nukers / cheaters / lamers so u can go out of a room when they enter

verdomme nen belg ik ken hier veel hollanders maar geen belgen

ge moet me ne keer zone messagen atel_malagate of _cant_play dan kunnen we ne keer spelen


Angel Omnivac
Clubman
posted 12-25-98 03:41 PM ET (US)     15 / 35       
Emowilli said it best guys, it's a game.

Now, "cheaters" like described here. I've seen other webpages too with cheaters list, but all I can say is that are they really reliable? Do I really need to bother with them? My answer is simply no. Anyone can write an email and say X or Y has done this and blah, blah, blah. As for screenshots, well that's very easy to do so this is absolutely not a proof.

I'm not here to defend myslef also. Other players knows me and how I play, etc, etc, etc... and I have been accused of cheating in the past (duh?!?). So, it lead me to wonder about cheaters' list, and simply not bother with them.

Also, I need to bump into one of these "cheaters" in a game, first of all, and I'll probably don't remember their names (unless it is someone I really know, which I doubt he would have cheated in the first place). I'm not paranoid enough to have a list near my monitor too.

Changing alliance in team games? My answer has been very simple for over a year right now. I resign, bye bye, I'm gone. Same thing for speed hikers when it has been stated that the game was to be played at 1.0 speed, or pausing/unpausing, or not resigning after 10 mins when there is no hope of winning. Do people assume I'm stuck in the game? Do they think I will spend more than one minute arguing with them? Geeez, go in another game. The zone has its lamers, but you can find a lot of good and honest players too.

I add cool players I meet in my friends list. I remove them if they do something I don't like in another game after that. Some players in my list I have played only once, but that's not important. He was a good player, usually said the gl before the game, and the gg after the game and so on, and discussed about the game in general.

Angel Omnivac

Boba
Inactive
posted 12-25-98 11:18 PM ET (US)     16 / 35       
It's not so bad when people do this in a non-rated room, but people pull this *****in a RATED room.

People are idiots.

If these people read the zone rules, they would know that the moment they switch diplomacy they get an abandon. So now I have this former ally declare enemy on me for some reason or another, and guess what? I can't declare war on him, or else -I- get an abandon as well. AND, I can't fight back, because I still have the guy allied. It's a lose/lose situation for me.


Stooge_Jay
Inactive
posted 12-26-98 03:50 AM ET (US)     17 / 35       
This was getting juicey and now you guys are making it sappy... BOO! Just kidding. My humble opinion is that when you play a team game you are a team till the end. Like a football team (for those of you outside of US I am referring to American football, sorry). You don't purposely throw interceptions (unless you are Neil Odonnell and are paid off by the Cowboys like a superbowl not so many years ago), you stick it out till the end. Don't resign or switch sides, that is cheezy. Yes in real life their are traitors everywhere but this is a game. Play it to have fun, leaving or switching sides makes an unfair advantage that no longer makes it that way. I think I played with you once Soc, maybe twice, don;t remember. If I don't remember the game you probably didn't do anything to make me hate you like cheat or brag or something. Best thing to do is play with friends on your team only like I do. If you don't have any friends on play with a Stooge. We may suck but we will fight to the end for our team. Some of us can even play too, just not me. I actually do suck except for an occasional burst of splendor. So come kick my butt and everyone will be happy.

Jay


Socrates
Clubman
posted 12-26-98 07:09 AM ET (US)     18 / 35       
Don't remember the particulars of the several games that i have played versus the Stooges, but you guys are good eggs...

I enjoy playing with you dudes.

See you on the Battlefield...

Socrates
Bring The Noise


Desert_Fox
Clubman
posted 12-26-98 04:26 PM ET (US)     19 / 35       
Changing teams is imoral game play. Thats all I am saying. If you 'value' this type of cheating Soc, don't bother me to play with you- ever. =)

DF
Upholder of morals (hehe)


Socrates
Clubman
posted 12-26-98 07:30 PM ET (US)     20 / 35       
Like I said Fox....

"Don't get it twisted", If you think for one second that I came into that game with the intention of having that guy switch teams for me to win then you obviously don't know me period.

All I am saying, you know me you know I don't cheat and jumping to a conclusion about such a matter is cause for me to wonder.

__Socrates__ will end this by saying: Fox is a friend, and when some unknow party for whatever reason makes statements to slander my name and change the views of such a friend a problem exists. What to do about that problem? Just read the previous posts and start from there.

See you on the battlefield Fox, Friend or No!!!

__Socrates__
Bring The Noise

P.S. Was it cheating when we played the free for all the other night with Hazzardous_Dawg, wizzard and others when you allowed Leviathan (Who took over for Wizzard) to do what he did? Seems you changed diplomatic stance in that game too. I belive the terms of engagement in that game were no alliances at all.


Desert_Fox
Clubman
posted 12-26-98 10:58 PM ET (US)     21 / 35       
It was 6am, and I had to be up by 9am- so I allued with lev- so he could have protection under my towers... and I left the game. I did not ally with him to double team someone, I did not change status in the middle of a game that was very much in the process of being played out. You should have ignored him when he allied with you, and finished him off. It's just not nice to change a 3v3 to a 4v2... if you somehoe belive a 4v2 is fair... I guess you are right and I am wrong- if so- my bad.

DF


Desert_Fox
Clubman
posted 12-26-98 10:58 PM ET (US)     22 / 35       
It was 6am, and I had to be up by 9am- so I allued with lev- so he could have protection under my towers... and I left the game. I did not ally with him to double team someone, I did not change status in the middle of a game that was very much in the process of being played out. You should have ignored him when he allied with you, and finished him off. It's just not nice to change a 3v3 to a 4v2... if you somehow belive a 4v2 is fair... I guess you are right and I am wrong- if so- my bad.

DF


Stooge_Jay
Inactive
posted 12-27-98 02:18 PM ET (US)     23 / 35       
Here is my final .02 because I am getting low on cash with all these posts lately. It is a game and there is no need to make it personal. Sounds to me like the real problem was that Marcus guy. I play with Fox when I see him on and he isn't a cheater. I don't recall Soc being a cheater. Sounds to me like no one here is a cheater. So how bout everyone shut up and get back to knocking each other senseless?


Desert_Fox
Clubman
posted 12-27-98 05:44 PM ET (US)     24 / 35       
::smack smack:: Okay- I agree with Jay

As someone once said...
"Can't we all just get along..?"

DF


Abraxas
Inactive
posted 12-27-98 06:23 PM ET (US)     25 / 35       
Well saying that its just a game is off the mark. Cheating destroys the enjoyment of games. Having said that, I'd be real careful of cheaters lists, etc. I'd rather get cheated repeatedly than to be slandering people. Fact is, often times the "cheating" is a rather subjective call and other times you just can't be sure. I guess I've just come to accept that every so often I'm gonna lose in a rather "strange" way, thats when the "oh well, its just a game" helps a little.


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