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SaSa408
Clubman
posted 04-30-01 03:02 PM ET (US)         
What fun. I have never had that many armored elephants to command. (At the most I have had maybe 3) I just couldn't believe their power of destruction.

And I got caught up in demolishing the yellow town and all of its folks. Just grand. I haven't had that kind of army ever. Wheee! Brought out a little side of myself I didn't know I had.

But alas. I was defeated. I got Hannibal mixed in with all the others and he was killed. Also, the pathway is not so easy.

But I don't care. I will play again soon.

I love this campaign.(Enemies of Rome, #1)

Sara

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Carrandas
Clubman
posted 04-30-01 03:07 PM ET (US)     1 / 40       
Played that one too
Nice level, I know, I just don't think it's that dificult.
Just don't mix hannibal up with the others.
Danielthemaster
Clubman
posted 04-30-01 04:37 PM ET (US)     2 / 40       
Is that the yellow town in the north west corner of the map because if it is D,ont Attack it again it just wastes elephants and you can easily ingore it. Note: This Scenario involves alot of runnning away and alot of trying since the path is complex and there is sereval towns few you need to destroy.
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 04-30-01 04:49 PM ET (US)     3 / 40       
You can do that but you are making work for yourself. Hit the yellows straight away before they can build up and it's a doddle. Then you don't have to run away from anyone.
http://www.patdist.freeserve.co.uk/hintsheets/rortips/standard/expeor/scen1.htm

This works every time.


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SaSa408
Clubman
posted 04-30-01 04:50 PM ET (US)     4 / 40       
North East, Daniel. Should I ignore that one too - as much as possible?

Sara

Carrandas
Clubman
posted 04-30-01 04:50 PM ET (US)     5 / 40       
I just scouted the whole area with the scout. And if there is any danger, i just walked around it...
Danielthemaster
Clubman
posted 04-30-01 05:00 PM ET (US)     6 / 40       
Actually, Sasa I typed that wrong I meant North East.
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 04-30-01 05:43 PM ET (US)     7 / 40       
You can get a Scout through quickly but not the elephants - they have no chance of getting through without a fight, they're too slow. You can't get through directly as you are blocked by stone mines. You can dodge the main yellow base in the corner but will still have the other one, with seven towers in its gateway, and the browns to go through, and the browns have Phalanxes so you probably won't make it. That's why I say the easiest way is to kill the yellows quickly using all the War Elephants, Legions and Elephant Archers, free the villagers and then you can build enough to wipe out the browns, or just distract them while you run the three armoured elephants through to win.

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[This message has been edited by Phill Phree (edited 04-30-2001 @ 05:51 PM).]

The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 05-01-01 00:34 AM ET (US)     8 / 40       
Hannibal's elephants did not fight at all during his passage through the Alps. No space to maneuver on the narrow mountain paths.

Furthermore, only one out of 37 survived to see Italy.

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 05-01-01 07:06 AM ET (US)     9 / 40       
Lol, well, so much for history.

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CenturionZ_1
Clubman
posted 05-01-01 03:36 PM ET (US)     10 / 40       
Big bug in Enemies of Rome: The first 2 scenarios you are fighting Rome but in the last 2, you help Rome!!!!

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Enriquillo
Clubman
posted 05-04-01 05:56 PM ET (US)     11 / 40       
I agree that killing the first town to your north-east is a good idea.
Other then that it's just pushing on. Don't bother with the villies, you won't have time to use them.
You shouldn't lose anybody killing the first yellow town so you'll have an army of 22 to make a dash for the finish line.
Only thing you have to do is kill a few towers and some walls and after that don't stop for anything, use your army to distract his phalanxs and run Hannibal and his two friends through.
Easy enough, took me 40 minutes on hardest with 8 losses and 59 kills, a bit slow I admit but the pathfinding is horrible

"It has been difficult because we have so often been on the attack and not had the opportunity to defend" Yannick Jauzion.
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 05-04-01 06:46 PM ET (US)     12 / 40       
I agree, it's true that you don't have to use the villies to win, but when we wrote the hints we had to do something that was guaranteed to work for anyone of any skill at any level - therefore though some may not need them all others might, and we had to cover every way of making it easy for everyone. Most people, when giving hints, only think in terms of what is easy for them - we had to go a bit further than that ;-)

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[This message has been edited by Phill Phree (edited 05-04-2001 @ 06:51 PM).]

SaSa408
Clubman
posted 05-18-01 06:30 PM ET (US)     13 / 40       
Well, I am FED UP with elephants, armored or otherwise. They must have ADD. They won't stick with the task at hand. They get distracted and go their own way and do their own thing.And they are slow and awkward.

Besides that, I have today played this scenario 4 times, with map revealed, and been defeated each time...

Stupid elephants.

Sara

Julius
Clubman
posted 05-18-01 06:39 PM ET (US)     14 / 40       
word of advice....send the elephant archers ahead to clear the way. Then send the other elephants ahead except for the 3 you need to get through the flag. keep advancing using the archers to destroy the opposition slowly.the anfter they move farther, move the other elephants farther. Try keeping the three armored ones behind the rest with the swordsman to protect them. this worked for me but it did take alot of tries. Another word of advice...go around the back of the mountain thing...the only thing in your way to the villagers is the wall and your elephants can easily knock it down. But before you knock it down, use the archers to kill everything on the other side....then you keep down unnecessary casualties.one last word of advice, use the waypoint thing to move easier because if you dont, the dumb elephants move really slow and keep getting in some kind of traffic jam or something....they keep walking into each other or too many of them try going through a small area and clog it up.
SaSa408
Clubman
posted 05-18-01 06:53 PM ET (US)     15 / 40       
You understand about the stupid elephants, too, Julius. Trying to all go through an opening and clogging it up. Thank you for that validation!

I have never tried waypoints, though the scenario hints say to. I am too afraid I don't have the right path to commit to it. I'm afraid I would set it wrong all the way down and then realize I was bringing everybody to a dead end.

Another thing that really saps my time, is trying to number each group and hold the armored ones back. I circle a group with the mouse and cntl/number. But invariably somebody gets left out, or somebody I don't want to include gets included. You know what I mean? I would like to select group 1 and group 2 quickly and get them going, but they are arranged where it takes a lot of time to get the ones in the groups I want them to be in.

I just can't believe that with the map revealed I can't win this scenario.

Sara

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 05-18-01 06:55 PM ET (US)     16 / 40       
Good advice - but this scenario sux and resux - they seem to have wanted to show they could cram a gigantic map with passes and the like - they succeeded - but who cares? I prefer "Small is beautiful" every time.
SaSa408
Clubman
posted 05-18-01 07:17 PM ET (US)     17 / 40       
Well, Peter, I too prefer small. I can't manage all these elephants that have a mind of their own. You tell them to go this way, and before you know it, they are going another way to attack some insigificant enemy.

Did you read my post above this one about trying to number them all? That is really hard in this scenario. It is hard to do if you want to be fast.

And I have not done waypoints.

And then did you see the earlier post by someone that he played this on hardest and won easily in 40 minutes? (I guess he meant the first time.) I guess that divides the sheep from the goats.

My first post on this thread was naive. Little did I know.

Anyway, I am practicing DAILY! (as you can see...)

Sara

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 05-18-01 07:22 PM ET (US)     18 / 40       
Well sara, better train with another scenario - this one just gets boring after some time - all you sayd about the elephants getting clogged, attacking enemies you aren't interested in to get killed - better move to good old AOE first. when you master that you can move to the ROR campaigns - but I didn't play all of them even now and I don't care two hoots.
Julius
Clubman
posted 05-18-01 07:24 PM ET (US)     19 / 40       
I didnt know it was possible to beat it in 40 minutes...it took me an 2 hours. But i took my time and built a huge army with those villagers. If all else fails, you can type in home run and automatically beat it. I tried this the first time and beat it but i felt guilty and went back and beat it without it. This is one of the hardest scenarios ive ever played.
SaSa408
Clubman
posted 05-18-01 07:25 PM ET (US)     20 / 40       

Sara

Enriquillo
Clubman
posted 05-19-01 04:35 AM ET (US)     21 / 40       
oh it's possible in 40 minutes, and no it wasn't my first try
It was my first try in about a year though
Sasa: I'm slow, old and out of shape, so if I can do it, you can too!

I just spent way too much time on singleplayer, while I should have been doing more multiplayer.
Maybe I'll get a game or two in this weekend.


"It has been difficult because we have so often been on the attack and not had the opportunity to defend" Yannick Jauzion.
Phil Shaw
Clubman
posted 05-25-01 02:04 PM ET (US)     22 / 40       
This scenario is great!

I've only beaten it on easiest, but I've been playing a lot of downloaded campaigns lately.

(Can anyone tell me where to get Ingo van Thiel's 'The Two Brothers'?)


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SaSa408
Clubman
posted 05-25-01 08:18 PM ET (US)     23 / 40       
Phil, I am glad you like the Hannibal scenario. And I am greatly encouraged to hear you say you played it on Easiest and won. (And I salute you for being honest and saying it was on Easiest...) I will take another try tonight. Perhaps, yes perhaps, I will win.

As for the "Two Brothers," I hope Peter or Phill Phree will tell you where it is. I looked in the Granary, but could not find it. But I believe it is there.

Sara

The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 05-26-01 10:37 AM ET (US)     24 / 40       
The funny part is, Hannibal's elephants didn't fight at all in the Alps, and even the rest of his army only fought armies of Gauls, never any cities.
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 05-26-01 03:38 PM ET (US)     25 / 40       
Right - another non-historical scenario (at leas not historically correct).

Sara: Comfort ye, comfort ye - I never finished Hannibal at hardest - I'm afraid the bad pathfinding infuriated me so much that I abandoned it - I did win it at easy or easiest though.

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