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wedsaz
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posted 10-07-00 04:02 PM ET (US)         
What are the most popular civs on the zone these days?
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wedsaz
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posted 10-07-00 04:02 PM ET (US)     1 / 38       
Oh and the most popular strats for them, too.
darius_the_mede
Clubman
posted 10-07-00 07:51 PM ET (US)     2 / 38       
The classics are still quite promininte, yammy, assy, shang, roman a little. I almost NEVER see Phoenie. The patch really killed em. Persia's a no show too(unfortunutly, for them that is )

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the_true_Augustus
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posted 10-07-00 11:33 PM ET (US)     3 / 38       
i see this is mostly about RM civs...

well, i'm not much of an RM'er, so i wouldn't really know..

darius_the_mede
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posted 10-07-00 11:37 PM ET (US)     4 / 38       
So then why did you make a post?

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MAN_OF_WAR_1
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posted 10-08-00 00:07 AM ET (US)     5 / 38       
ummmmm....lets see.....shang- i use to rush in 1v1. minoan-COMPIES! palmy-i see em sometimes in 3v3 or 2v2. roman- very few but those i do see always tower rush and then boom and hit with broadies. pheo use to be great! they had a 56% more wood bonus (it was suposs to be 15 or 25% more wood) there great at bronze but in iron they have to spend alot of money to be affective(Armor ele scyth)
wedsaz
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posted 10-08-00 04:52 AM ET (US)     6 / 38       
man_of_war:
I know what civs were great *before* the patch... what I wanted to know was what happened after it.
 
the_true_augustus:
well, do tell us what you see in RM, you don't actually have to be good at it or enjoy it...

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Multi Beast 28
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posted 10-08-00 12:15 PM ET (US)     7 / 38       
the most common civs i see, in AoE since i dont play RoR, for rms is- assyrian, yamato, minoan, and hittite. the rarely used civs are persia, choson, greek, and shang. seems to me by reading the posts on here shang is popular civ in ror, but they suck in AoE. now for dm, choson is still the most popular civ, followed by hittite, then greek, and ive seen some babylon and minoan players too. rarely seen civs are assyrian, yamato, phoenician, and shang, since they have not so stong irons as other civs, cept yammy, they have decent iron, just no siege or towers
RageOMatic
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posted 10-08-00 02:50 PM ET (US)     8 / 38       
The most common civs in RM:

Hittite, Assyrian, Minoan (for water maps), Shang is pretty common, but most say no fast civs or something. Also the random civ option is becoming more and more common.

the_true_Augustus
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posted 10-08-00 02:51 PM ET (US)     9 / 38       
hahaha, i don't know!
hahahahahaha

but when i first got AoE, i played Greek and Shang alot

darius_the_mede
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posted 10-08-00 06:07 PM ET (US)     10 / 38       
Greek? I don't think thats ever been popular .

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wedsaz
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posted 10-08-00 06:45 PM ET (US)     11 / 38       
darius:
for DM greek is pretty good... dual siege, fast cents, ball towers...

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darius_the_mede
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posted 10-08-00 10:18 PM ET (US)     12 / 38       
I'm not talking about DM. I HATE DM. I think it is the worst way to play RoR, AoE, or AoK/TC. ITs strats are very simple so that even a rookie could come off as a expert DMer. THe only skill required is to be able to click fast. And if you know the build hotkeys, your 10 steps ahead. RM is the game of masters.....

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posted 10-09-00 01:14 PM ET (US)     13 / 38       
Hey Darius, your obviously very closed minded. Half the zone plays DM, and in the AoE rooms, I would say theres more DM players than RM. DM takes just as much skill as RM. In fact it took me longer to get good at DM than RM. There's just as many strats out there for DMs as there are for RMs. I'm not going to go into them because I could be here for days or even weeks typing them up. As for rooks being good in DM? Hahaha, you make me laugh. That's like saying anyone who can get to bronze age is good at RM. You got to be one of the rooks that think they are good at DM, and I would beat you in 10 mins, 20 mins if you get lucky or run and hide. If your thinking, oh that's why DM is stupid, they are shorter, well first off you are definatly not good and, when you have experts playing, games can last just as long RM games, usually hours with evenly skilled players. Since your trash talking of DM saying it takes no skill, well, first off, you need to manage just as many villagers if not more. Also your army, so thats 200+ units the almost whole time. You also need speed to get the 200 in about 8 mins or less. How many RM games do you play that have 200+ units to manage for at least 30 mins straight? As for hotkeys, you need them as well in RM. If you don't know them, you waste seconds going back and forth clicking. As for RM being the game of masters? The best players I've seem play both DM and RM. Some favor one more than the other, but the skills of both can be combined for an awsome player. If I'm not mistaken, it is crucial what you do with your first 20 or whatever villagers you may use early in RMs, needs some pretty quick reaction and clicking, eh? Same goes for DMs, just gotta manage more faster. You are entitled to your opinion but, before you knock something, know what your talking about next time...
RageOMatic
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posted 10-09-00 02:52 PM ET (US)     14 / 38       
I disagree with what ^ said. DM is much easier than RM, it doesn't involve nearly as much skill.
darius_the_mede
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posted 10-09-00 03:22 PM ET (US)     15 / 38       
I DO know what i'm talking about. I played DM for 3 months strait and won nearly every game when I first got AoE. DM requires little if no skill at all. Maybe some brains to memorize build patterns or, a few defenses, but not much. And there is a very, very thin line between rook, inter, and expert in DM. What does a short game have to do with anything? Some of the best RM games i've played where under 15 minutes. Longer isn't always better. When you first started playing AoE, witch came easier, DM or RM? I picked up on DM in 2 games. Even the RM experts are still practicing their RM skills. Can't say that for DM. Nothing thats worth having EVER comes easy. RM certainly didn't come easy for me, nor anyone I know. No RM player snapped his fingers and could bronze in 13 minutes. Try reading Strat Evolution on the GX site. After learning about all the skill, and knowlage, and tatics, and patience, and endurence...etc that is required for RM, DM is nothing in my eyes. DM is like Doom AoE, to me, it just another tastless, shoot'em up like way of playing, and to me is abusing the way AoE SHOULD be played. And there is BAR FAR more RM strats then DM, BAR FAR. RM strats out number DM strats 100/1.And All DM strats coiuld be replaced with
"*click**click**click**click**click**click**click**click*". Now you can say WHATEVER you want, you can argue until the cows come home, DM will still be STUPID, when your done!

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wedsaz
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posted 10-09-00 03:46 PM ET (US)     16 / 38       
darius:
I hate only those DMers who play DM in the non-DM rooms.
 
As for the reflexes, I don't think it's any worse than popov dancing 100 HAs...

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BlitzkreigComin
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posted 10-10-00 09:41 PM ET (US)     17 / 38       
wedsaz:

As for your original question:

I played 4 games on the Zone today, and it has been a while since I've played. I played a Hills 2v2, Medit 3v3, Medit 2v2, and a Medit 1v1.

I saw 2 Hittites team up against me(Shang) and my partner Sumerian. On the Medit maps all I saw was the usual Minoan, Hittite, Egyptian mix. I did play with a Macedonian which I was a little surprised.

Overall gameplay on the Zone which I thought has changed a little in that all of the games I played there seemed to be a race to Iron rather than big Bronze wars. I will mention I didn't play anyone I know, or who I would say was an expert. I haven't played serious on the Zone since probably July.

RoR just kicks ass BTW!

darius_the_mede
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posted 10-10-00 10:20 PM ET (US)     18 / 38       
Damn right RoR kicks ass! YEA!

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MAN_OF_WAR_1
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posted 10-10-00 11:00 PM ET (US)     19 / 38       
ummmm ok im pretty open minded on the games...and i must say you are completly wrong on DM....DM takes alot fo skill. there are many types of dm...wonder rush, legion wars, tool only, bronze only, no siege, and other creative games.... iv messed around with it a bit too. and i barely believe you won every game right off the bat in DM... i got on and did 2v1 and i got whooped by a DM player that did more then CAT/CA he had all kinds of mixes running around... DM takes economy managing ust as much as RM..20000 wood or food goes down fast! and also managing 200 units at the same time with the front line constantly changing is very hard....DM is more a stratagy and tactics. dont see much in rm.... either you just hit some one early rush em or go iron wars....iron wars is the only one that take millitary tacics. DM games can last many hours and iv played some very interesting DM's. only a few RM's iv played in RoR last 2-4 hours long! and those were on land games...not some cheap sea battle that never ends.
in AoK DM is even more difficult. the lag (units dont move till 20 seconds after you tell them to go somewhere) is very mean.... walls trebs castles TC's all kinds of units! economy is very much needed there! calvery units in AoK eat gold in seconds. and food is no exception! the only DM i hate is those pure siege games! dont diss it when you dont much understand it!

I suppose I should put something here? For now, this will suffice.
darius_the_mede
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posted 10-10-00 11:27 PM ET (US)     20 / 38       
Mano, so much of what you say is fundamentally wrong, and there are not enough hours in the day to convince you of the errors of your ways… Quite frankly, discussion with you is nearly pointless. I am suprised that others bother… So much gibberish spews from your mouth, I'm sure some of it will prove to be true. DM still sucks, and takes little skill if none what-so-ever. Sure there may be many ways to play a DM game, but that doesn't make it good. "DM is more a stratagy and tactics. dont see much in rm"???? Are you nuts? You have obviously yet to grasp the game. Either that, or you only play with rookies/newbies.
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wedsaz
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posted 10-11-00 04:08 AM ET (US)     21 / 38       
As I said the only DMers I hate are the ones who play DM in the non-DM areas.
 
I've only played enough DMs to know I don't like them. Although I won every time, in each case (except the 4-way FFA) I had an experienced ally, and my "catalyst" team-play style adapts well to pretty much any setting. From what I've seen though, it would probably take me weeks before I could be even an intermediate DM player.
 
In case anybody cares, the 4-way FFA ended with a disconnection between the last opponent and myself (hard to tell exactly who got disced). My persian war eles had just razed the choson and the greek, and I had a freshly trained army of EAs which would soon be backing them up, along with a few priests being trained (they're most useful in iron than in bronze).
 
So in conclusion, don't underestimate DM... it's a facet of the game, and a valid strategic setting. I think my opinion of bronze high would violate some kind of language policy, on the other hand.
 
mano, about your sig... if it weren't for evolution, we wouldn't be sh!t slinging tree people... we'd be sh!t eating amoeba.
 
Darius, DM does have plenty of strategic, tactical and yes even economic skills. They just don't happen in the same order. Take an RM game, which starts with economic skill, then buildings into tactical, and if the game runs long it goes into strategic. DM is like RM turned on its head... you get large-scale strategic land-grabbing first, then tactical raids and skirmishes, then economic power starts taking over. Does that make any sense? (translation: I'm confused, please help me )

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darius_the_mede
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posted 10-11-00 05:38 PM ET (US)     22 / 38       
IN long DM games, it might require some econ skills, but its real easy, build a couple TC's and surrond em with farms. Look like I said, I have always and WILL always see DM as a stupid, hack game. RM is way better, period. I never thought I'd be saying this to you wedsaz, but I must
"Wedsaz, so much of what you say is fundamentally wrong, and there are not enough hours in the day to convince you of the errors of your ways… Quite frankly, discussion with you is nearly pointless. I am suprised that others bother… So much gibberish spews from your mouth, I'm sure some of it will prove to be true."

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wedsaz
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posted 10-11-00 06:13 PM ET (US)     23 / 38       
darius:
Look, there's as much skill in DM as in RM... but as I said it's upside-down. The military skills come first, and the econ skills come next, so that only expert-level games really have all that much econ management. Meanwhile RM games are mostly about econ, and military skill only makes much of a difference in expert games.
 
I hate DM, and I have never played much of it. I think it's crappy, boring, and for the most part reflex-based, but I still respect those who enjoy it. In fact, in my experience, DMers often make excellent bullets/soldiers for tribbing strats, since they can easily concentrate on the military while letting their ally handle most of the econ.
 
As for errors and gibberish... ditto.
MAN_OF_WAR_1
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posted 10-11-00 08:18 PM ET (US)     24 / 38       
umm darius.
how old are you....why do you try to start wars here.... is arguing the only thing you find interesting? i kicked you off my icq for the same reason...you get on and get me into arguing the next day i get on and you make a remark trying to get me to "play your game" so i let it go...

DM does not suck.... yes i do grasp the game...i think it is you that doesnt.... if you really did then youd at least respect all forms of the AoE series! you dont see me getting on and saying RM sucks! RM is a fun way to play but you can not deny the fact that now days its almost always over in 20-30 minutes unless your afraid of each other and dont attack or your playing a boom game.and your statement that "i only play newbies on the zone" is so very wrong. in fact i dont play with anyone but you people! thats why im always screeming about no one getting on! and your remark of me and wedsaz "spewing out giberish" is very unfriendly. i could understand a debate but targeting ones views and saying they are flat out wrong is very stupid and "piontless".

Combat get in here...your a DMer of AoK and AoK:TC.... me and combat play a bit and there are no such things as 10 minute games... in fact playing head on head wev had some interesting games. along with his other DM friends its very fun. now you may reply to this in the "it is piontless to speek with you and i dont see how others talk to you" CRAP...so im going to beat you to it.

Darius..... so much of what you say is fundamentally wrong, and there are not enough hours in the day to convince you of the errors of your ways… Quite frankly, discussion with you is nearly pointless. I am suprised that others bother..So much gibberish spews from your mouth..(notice i left out the truth part)

darius_the_mede
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posted 10-11-00 10:32 PM ET (US)     25 / 38       
Look the forum is supposed to be a disscusion of idea's and opinions right? Well thats my damn opinion, I think DM sucks, and requires little skill. But if yoiu think otherwise fine! Who's arguing? If you told me the sun was burning ball of gas, and I kept saying otherwise, thats arguing, because its a fact that that's what the sun is. But it is definitly NOT A FACT that DM is fun, or requires skill. So just because I think otherwise doesn't make me right, nor am I arguing. To me DM will be and always has been stupid, and pointless. Your the one who's arguing. I never said YOUR WRONG. I just said I don't think so.... DM stinks IMO. I alwys said in one way or another thats IMO. You and wedsaz keep saying no Darius, your wrong, how old are you, why do you like to argue.... blah, blah, blah. GIBBERISH.

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