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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-01-00 06:00 PM ET (US)         
What about a thread with hints and tips for starters?
For instance: when I started with this game I was always repairing war ships because I couldn't stand the sight and sound of them burning ships. Then I saw that the repairmen were really wasting a lot of time. I abandoned it and did much better. There must be a lot more things that seem quite illogical at first but are a real help.
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SaSa408
Clubman
posted 10-04-00 12:26 PM ET (US)     26 / 44       
Sorry not to be in the know, you all, but what is "UT?"

Would it help my AoE/RoR game???

I have tried over and over to win the 2nd Scenario in the RoR Trial (First Punic War.) It doesn't matter whether I go after the yellow below first or go after the Red across first. I can reach my population limit and have powerful ships, and Elephant archers ... It doesn't matter. They always seem to have an unlimited supply of things to blow me up.

Once I thought I had the Red. I was blowing up things and having a big time until out came an enormous number of Red Priests who met my forces, intoned - and everything I had turned Red.

Peter knows how to win this scenario. I'm still working at it. Do any of the rest of you play that scenario? Did you have trouble?

Sara

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-04-00 12:33 PM ET (US)     27 / 44       
Sara:
I'm at a complete loss why you can't get rid of that pack of priests and get mauled all the time. Perhaps you are simply to friendly for them? If you managed to win all the Hittite scenarios you should be able to do something against the priests. It's important though that you send cheap units against them and don't get your expensive ones converted.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 10-04-00 02:42 PM ET (US)     28 / 44       
HonoredMule:
My hand-eye coordination is just fine, the problem is my hand does everything about a second late. The lag doesn't help, either. I can dance things a bit, but I usually don't bother since I can do more good managing my econ instead.
 
popov:
I just realized something, about the ship repair. In bronze and later, once you can build multiple TCs, villies are cheap so it doesn't matter as much if one or two gets killed. From then it would indeed make sense to repair boats. I just don't think it's a good idea earlier on when your number of villies is limited.

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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-04-00 02:48 PM ET (US)     29 / 44       
Please, ladies and gentlemen, this was supposed to be a thread for hints for beginners and this is far too involved for them.
Okay, I'll add something too:

wedsaz:
You may be right, on the other hand from Bronze you get lots of units that are more expensive than warships and therefore are more worthy of your attention. Repairing a ship and thereby losing an elephant - not exactly to be recommended.

SaSa408
Clubman
posted 10-04-00 02:51 PM ET (US)     30 / 44       
I'm at a loss, too, Peter.

Maybe if I go back to the Naval Battle scenario in the Egyptian Campaign and work a bit it will help me with the 2nd sc. of RoR Trial. Think I'll do that.

I am determined to beat that First Punic War 2nd Sc.

Sara

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-04-00 03:01 PM ET (US)     31 / 44       
Sara:
Don't you just wait too long with starting your attack? I begin fighting as soon as I have more than three ships - within 6 minutes or so. If you wait till you're in Iron, you're too late - you give the CP way too much time to build up. That's also a good hint and Popov is quite right about that: better have a big Bronze Age army than a small Iron Age one. Yet another hint is not to overdo technology research in scenarios - you often only get a limited supply of resources and researching ballista towers may be a nice thing to do but if you have no stone left to build towers afterwards it's rather pointless.

Try the Voices of Babylon campaign - the second scenario is more like the second in the First Punic War campaign. Matter of fact, scenarios with a lot of naval warfare are always more taxing IMO. Probably because it requires you have more villies on wood.

SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 10-04-00 07:04 PM ET (US)     32 / 44       
Peter= Well, I gotta agree that dancing with HA is quite hard but...Everything is possible Also, 35 villas in 13:00 IS possible cuz it means real villies + FB: I made 13:00 and 70 once as Minos ;P What I meant 'bout gonig Iron is that going Iron with less than 75 villies ain't very smart cuz you WON'T be able to make a BUNCH of army and get also the techs you need once Iron cuz GONIG IRON AND BEING ABLE TO FIGHT REQUIRES LOTS OF ECON...

Wedsaz= Repairing is good only is tool and early brz...not after...

As for mouse, screen and those thingy: I got a 15" Mon, a reg 2 button mouse and I don't any macros or those crappy things and I got a 166 mhz only so I lag when I get a bunch of units I'm on a 33.6k :-) So the stuff you play with don't means much... I play in 800X600 btw

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 10-04-00 07:26 PM ET (US)     33 / 44       
popov:
I guess repairing is a bit like dancing 100 HAs... you need good reflexes.
 
Yeah, whatever is required for effective dancing, be it hardware, software or bioware, I don't have it. I guess everyone has to have their own style...
 
That's my #1 tip: it's good to learn other people's strats, but even when you can do those well, you'll never be a real expert until you make your own playing style.

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HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 10-04-00 07:43 PM ET (US)     34 / 44       
wedsaz, reflexes are hand-eye coordination are so closely related that they are almost the same thing. Hand-eye coordination isn't seeing something and your hand doing what your eye wants it to, with your hand acting in quick reflex to what your eye reads. Eye reads fast, hand reacts, and the coordination part is that the action of the hand causes what the eye expects to see. That also means the eye doesn't have to see what the hand did...it can look for the next action. (thus the extreme need for peripheral vision...hand-eye coordination is the hand acting with as little guidance as possible because the eye is already very busy, as well.) Maybe I'm reading too deeply into this for aoe, but not for UT.

C'mon, guys, UT. u know, Unreal Tournament.
UT=Unreal Tournament

popov, you use 800x600? wow, I couldn't stand that, I use the highest res, and higher in other games (except 3d shooters where it makes little difference...there I draw back the fov so I see kind of a parabolic view). 800x600 to me is very...claustrophobic. I'd keep wanting to pull back from the screen, trying to see a bigger picture. That's why I want the right-click-move function fixed in aoe.


HonoredMule | HM | website = RoR Complete
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--- Just want one thing, just to play the king.
--- But the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name.
--- Where's your crown King Nothing?
HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 10-04-00 07:46 PM ET (US)     35 / 44       
oh, one more thing...when you dance units, do you use waypoints, or just take one unit and click a spot, move to the next and right click and so on, or what?

HonoredMule | HM | website = RoR Complete
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--- Just want one thing, just to play the king.
--- But the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name.
--- Where's your crown King Nothing?
SaSa408
Clubman
posted 10-04-00 07:55 PM ET (US)     36 / 44       
From this beginner to another:

Read the manual.

Read all the good things on this site.

Get in there and get your feet wet. Play on the Zone and get a baptism of fire... Play the computer on the campaigns.

Keep at it. Don't give up. This is a game that calls for intelligence, strategy, perseverance. (It's not an old Atari shoot 'em up)

And it is not chess. No matter how smart you were at chess, this is different. In chess you could take your time and make your move when you were ready. You take your time in this game - sorry (and it's happened to me) you're dead. (While you are thinking, the computer is grinding out stuff, or worse a human on the Zone is invading your sacred palace.) You gotta move fast.

But above all, take it from one who is not on top yet, don't give up and enjoy the ride.

Sara

SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 10-04-00 09:23 PM ET (US)     37 / 44       
HM: my comp can,t stand a higher res: it really becomes unplayable...

Dancing= Example: you got 20 CA... he send cavs to some of your CA but not all: you move back the CA that are targetted...while the other shoot at him. If he send 1 cav per CA, simply dance CAs in all directions...All Cavs are gonna mess up and hitting each other are they'll lsoe the CA from their sight I think you like this one, huh? ;P

SaSa408=> "You take your time in this game - sorry (and it's happened to me) you're dead. (While you are thinking, the computer is grinding out stuff, or worse a human on the Zone is invading your sacred palace.)" ... I like the word SACRED ;P

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-05-00 05:29 AM ET (US)     38 / 44       
Popov:
I got the same settings as you (faster modem though, but as I don't play on the zone, that doesn't matter).
dancing with a few units isn't such a prob for me - it's that if I'm dancing archers, I can't keep an eye on what's going on somewhere else so my villies may be slaughtered by hoppers for instance.

Mule:
Please take your duscussion of reflexes somewhere else. It doesn't belong here.

HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 10-05-00 10:03 AM ET (US)     39 / 44       
don't worry my discussion is finished. But it did belong here...I was trying to help beginners too, that's a very important point because no matter what your skill level, better ability to read the screen fast and react fast will improve that skill level.

HonoredMule | HM | website = RoR Complete
73239774 = 73239774 | assassin@nbnet.nb.ca
--- Just want one thing, just to play the king.
--- But the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name.
--- Where's your crown King Nothing?
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-05-00 10:29 AM ET (US)     40 / 44       
Mule:
You have a point but only so far - if that's the way to say it. Yup, my gameplay got better when I got a new mousepad (my old one was torn). And no, people shouldn't mistake this game for a shooting game (matter of fact, when I sought out Yahoo! for AOE I found a recension with just the criticism that it wasn't more like Civilization.
At pop 50 those fast reflexes aren't necessary anyway. And if you find pop 50 to difficult - why, just a few weeks ago you said the way Popov plays is do difficult. Just train a bit more and see what results you get.
HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 10-05-00 10:47 AM ET (US)     41 / 44       
yup

HonoredMule | HM | website = RoR Complete
73239774 = 73239774 | assassin@nbnet.nb.ca
--- Just want one thing, just to play the king.
--- But the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name.
--- Where's your crown King Nothing?
darius_the_mede
Clubman
posted 10-05-00 01:43 PM ET (US)     42 / 44       
HM your definitly right. It makes playing a lot easier once I got my Memorex Hi-Res scroll mouse, and I have an optiquest 17' beauity. But i still have a 32RAM 200mhz, But this weekend I'm upgrading, 600mhz, 128ram, 20 gig HD, 3d creative labs TNT2 video card, new CD drive the whole shabang.

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HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 10-05-00 09:39 PM ET (US)     43 / 44       
sweet...warning though.

20 gigs is great, but the more stuff you put on that HD, and the more fragged it gets, the more unstable your internet connection will get. If you can, have your HD automatically defragged every night...every week is sufficient if you have a good prog like norton speed disk.

RTS games are getting to the point where they need to take better advantage of 2d acceleration, too. RTS games are choppier for me than 3d games...in fact 3d games AREN'T choppy, only RTS games are.

tips;

use the hotkey as much as possible, and put your buildings (stables, archeries) in groups with ctrl+x. It saves a lot of time when you don't have to go to where the production is taking place to get it going.

be afraid to stop...if you find yourself with nothing to do at any point in the game, you should be near panic.

Don't wait until you have a great force to strike...send in a small force to scout and hopefully target villies. Meanwhile you can worry about mounting a real force.


HonoredMule | HM | website = RoR Complete
73239774 = 73239774 | assassin@nbnet.nb.ca
--- Just want one thing, just to play the king.
--- But the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name.
--- Where's your crown King Nothing?
sai_so
Clubman
posted 10-12-00 09:14 AM ET (US)     44 / 44       
all good advice in this thread. If you love the aoe game and want to get better, keep at it! Some of the top players have invested thousands of hours to become experts. I see np with hours of play *if* someone is having fun. GL
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