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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 09-25-00 06:51 AM ET (US)         
Okay, put this stuff in a new thread.

Sara:
1. Those error screens of Windows - they'll turn up now and again, there's no helping that. !@#^@%# Microsoft. That helped. Something even worse happened the first time I handled the Babylonians with some success in an RM game. Just a flash and then I was looking at the @#^@% Desktop again.

** Peter looks stern **
2. The computer players don't cheat. If they build more war ships than you can build, then you haven't enough villagers cutting wood. It really means you don't have enough villagers. It's a mistake most beginning players make - so did I. Start making six new villagers at the start of the game. Have six villagers on food and see how fast they make good the cost of making a new one. The rest should cut wood. Keep making new ones till you have at least 16.
3. Those !*#^$%@ stone throwers - they are a pest and need much management. Don't send them on their own, have some cavalry and slingers or archers near for their protection.
4. Carthage is a difficult civ to master. It seems to be regarded as even worse than the Greeks in RM.

[This message has been edited by peter (edited 10-19-2000).]

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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 10-06-00 06:38 PM ET (US)     26 / 47       
peter:
I know, but mounted units are fast enough to be out of that area of damage. In fact, were it not for ballistics, even priests are fast enough if they move in a straight line.
 
When I said a lone scout, I meant to use only one at a time, 5 would be too much management and the hcats would just be confused anyway. If you know what you're doing, one can easily be enough. If you lose more than 5 and the hcats aren't down yet, keep at it... you need the practice!

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HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 10-06-00 06:39 PM ET (US)     27 / 47       
You don't have to attack with a land force! just make two ships, take em up, and just move them after every shot fired by the hcats. It takes a while to take them out, but it's not hard.

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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 10-06-00 07:05 PM ET (US)     28 / 47       
HonoredMule:
True, but I think it would be faster and easier with a scout, since the cats do so much damage... to each other.
SaSa408
Clubman
posted 10-06-00 08:06 PM ET (US)     29 / 47       
OK. I've been listening to all of this.

So just for the h*** of it, I'm going to take two scouts down to the Yellow below, and see if I can dance around those 3 Hcats and do some damage.

Sara

SaSa408
Clubman
posted 10-06-00 08:33 PM ET (US)     30 / 47       
Tried it. First with 2 Scouts. Next time with 4 Scouts.

Both times I was toast in a matter of seconds.

Maybe in expert hands it would be a good thing - but not in mine.

I'm so worn out trying to win this scenario that I wish I had unlimited fire galleys, triremes, elephant archers, etc and could blow both the Red and the Yellow off the map.

Then run for the artifacts (if I could find them) and bring them home.

Sara

HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 10-06-00 09:05 PM ET (US)     31 / 47       
When I played that scn, I was a newbie. The ship thing is doable, but landing those scouts and getting them to the cats is much harder...particularly landing them and getting them on the move before a rock hits them.

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--- Just want one thing, just to play the king.
--- But the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name.
--- Where's your crown King Nothing?
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-07-00 05:29 AM ET (US)     32 / 47       
Mule:
You need a combine: first attract the attention of the cats with war ships, then land with your army. Scouts are good at spotting the artifact but villies with the wheel and Jihad are better against cats - though you will lose some.

Sara:
You have to take into account that you'll lose some units - I had about 60 losses in one game. Perhaps that if you try to cut on losses, it slows you down so much that you get into the problems you described. Be prepared to lose dozens of warships when attacking the red forces - but make sure they first do some real damage. Rmember you got thousands of wood in your place, so you can build dozens of ships.

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-07-00 12:34 PM ET (US)     33 / 47       
Sara;
You should also play at normal or fast speed, not at fastest
SaSa408
Clubman
posted 10-07-00 05:53 PM ET (US)     34 / 47       
wedsaz,

I see what you mean about dancing the scouts out of fire. Today I had two Stone Throwers on my coast. Along comes a red scout.

My ST's boom and bomb willy nilly, hit or miss, and the computer's little red scout is just dancing in between the fire. I could not believe the agility of that red scout.

Was a lesson in itself to watch.


Sara

Dark_Avenger
Clubman
posted 10-09-00 01:44 AM ET (US)     35 / 47       
Maybe it's off topic and you win the second scn(battle of mylae), but if one day you play it again, try this:
(it's for any level easiest to hardest)

build some docks at the south of the map(2 or 3)
(protect them at all price. You have more chance to fish and build a navy in the south. But train some ship at your dock(north). Later in the game, trade food for gold with merchant ship.)

when the game start begin to scout your island. Why? Find a place to the west where you gonna find gold and stone. The fact : that place has a "natural wall" with cliffs and forest.(only one path lead you to this place) It give you a quiet place to go through the ages and get ressources, but don't let the red player follow you at this point( and they gonna think you're dead if they destroy your first base). Build a storage pit and let some villis there.(It's your second base)Build a new town center at this place if you lose your first base or build a TC at bronze.

A Resume: with this, walls (and towers) are obsolete on your island but builds some walls: It keep the red away of your second base while they try to destroy them(the walls).

Protect your docks (and walls)at the south with war galley, etc.: the red continue to landing at your island and your war boats are the only one to protect them while you work hard in your secret place. And when you are strong enough, go out and get the yellow island!!

After, build a base on the red island and protect this one with defensive/offensive towers!

This scn has two gifts to offer to the player:

-the yellow island(with many ressources)

-the funny place at the west allow(ing) you to play "left for dead" with the AI while you work to reach iron and train a strong army and navy!!

Have fun!

HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 10-09-00 10:48 AM ET (US)     36 / 47       
sure, but there AREN'T 20-30 STs in the first punic war cpn (that is what this thread is about) there are only 3 hcats.

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--- Just want one thing, just to play the king.
--- But the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name.
--- Where's your crown King Nothing?
Dark_Avenger
Clubman
posted 10-09-00 11:19 AM ET (US)     37 / 47       
Absolutely!. And sadly, the yellow player was not there for the naval battle, and don't have any villis that force the blue player to get the yellow island before their villis get all the ressources on this island.

any scn has a weak point to exploit(ing).

SaSa408
Clubman
posted 10-09-00 01:11 PM ET (US)     38 / 47       
Dark_Avenger,

That is surely a different strategy - and brilliant.

I'm not sure I can pull it off - "playing for dead" on the front while really getting ready in the west for the big kill . I'm going to give it a try. Who knows, I can't be any worse off than I am now. I play the 2nd Scn on Easiest and have NEVER won.

Let me ask you. Do you destroy completely the yellow and the red enemies? Or do you go in there and grab the two artifacts and win that way? I have never laid my eyes on either of those artifacts - and the only reason I know they exist is from the Scenario Instructions.

Where are they? Is one on the Yellow island?

Great to have your input on this Scenario.

Sara

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-09-00 02:51 PM ET (US)     39 / 47       
Sara:
Yes, you only have to steal the artifacts and bring them to the blue flags on your island. well - that's in the instructions. One artifact is on the yellow island, one on the red. You can magine where the one on the red island must be - it's well defended of course. One time I played (at hard) I didn't even have to invade the yellow island - just had to dodge the catapults though.
Dark_Avenger's strat is very clever, but you don't really need so many resources - just enough to keep your enemies at bay, which seems to be your biggest prob anyway, and something to spare to find the artifacts and bring them home.
HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 10-09-00 03:44 PM ET (US)     40 / 47       
Um, excuse me, but look at earlier posts...that was MY strategy.

HonoredMule | HM | website = RoR Complete
73239774 = 73239774 | assassin@nbnet.nb.ca
--- Just want one thing, just to play the king.
--- But the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name.
--- Where's your crown King Nothing?
Dark_Avenger
Clubman
posted 10-09-00 05:06 PM ET (US)     41 / 47       
I like to extend a game(scn or RM), I mean, I do more than the mission demand(against the computer): the bronze age art of war scn- you have to destroy the government center to win, me, I destroy all and finish with the government center! The battle of Mylae- I get all the ressources and destroy all.( I don't care the relics). I do the same with RM. I know, and think to talk to many experts and I don't want to pretend I'm a expert cos I never fight against human(on internet).

Yesterday, on the hardest level(the battle of Mylae) I was force to exile to the west and i found and though this place was Quiet and sure to expand. I never think of it before cos at easiest level you can compete with AI(computer).


I have two principles:

Have a will to survive attitude
And, Have a will to conquer attitude!!

Hi all!

Dark

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-09-00 05:13 PM ET (US)     42 / 47       
Dark_Avenger:
1. See your point. Well, I mostly almost defeat the red forces in Mylae but I prefer sneaking away the artifact now I know you can do that - it's more subtle. Crashing in on them is necessary at forst to weaken them, but if they are almost dead it's not necessary to finish them off.
2. I also never play against humans, only against the computer.
Dark_Avenger
Clubman
posted 10-09-00 06:00 PM ET (US)     43 / 47       
Hi peter,

I respect what you say cos I play the same at my firsts try and won(send the relics to the flags). One reason I like to extend the game it's due to the rush against computer: you can crush'em around 30 or 40 minutes and the fun stop there.

It's an attitude I have, but be sure I have send the relics to the flags in the past. So, when I do what a scenario demand, I do more. It's may give more sting in your warrior life!

I read few strat from others players and sometimes I saw "way point", what is mean? a shortcut? "Shift" key plus a mouse bouton?, or something else?

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-09-00 07:27 PM ET (US)     44 / 47       
Hi, Dark_Avenger:
Didn't you know about waypoints? Oh my, man, you're going to be very excited then cuz that's a cookie. It's a way to point a route, and you do it by pressing Shift if I remember right and then clicking with the mouse at the points you want your units to pass.
As to not entirelyy defeating me enemies: well, when I started with AOE I didn't like this fighting stuff so I tried to get off with as little figthing as I could. got over that by now but still I like a minimalist approach - f.i. stealing the yellow artifact without landing there at all. Oh and in RM I build a wonder even if my enemies have only a pit left. After all if you build a mighty empire, you gotta build a wonder, right?
Dark_Avenger
Clubman
posted 10-09-00 08:03 PM ET (US)     45 / 47       
thanks peter,

yeah!, build a wonder before doing the final assault(when the enemy was down and hopeless) was great!!

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-10-00 05:55 AM ET (US)     46 / 47       
Yup - but this is getting off-topic.

** peter in John Wayne mode **
Okay sara, you're going to win that scnenario now

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-19-00 09:57 AM ET (US)     47 / 47       
Now if you play it at hardest you need to play dead - it works fine. Build some walls before that, near the coast - it gives your enemy something to do to pass the time and you can shoot at them with your scout ships.
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