Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-23-00 06:17 PM ET (US)
Ok, listen up. The reason me (And I assume most others) can't stand you or your strategies is simple. When you talk about, say Yamato vs Minoan, you throw all of the odds to minoan so you are right. Minoan will have a spot with wallable gold, or wallable anything for that matter. Yamato will take the sea in tool but lose it in bronze somehow. Yamato's scouts will hit a wall. Suppose Minoan can't find gold? Suppose minoan has a mile long opening that can't be walled? Suppose Yamato has 6 sf to start with and minoan has forest berries? Knock off your crap with "Oh that will happen because I said it will" and start talking realistically here. And go get a freaking computer to play AoE on again before you make up any stupid strats and talk about war stories from 20 years ago
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-23-00 08:46 PM
ET (US)
2 / 91
Hyper:
If yamato doesn't tool before like 10-12 minutes and minoan tools earlier or at the same time, minoan has good odds. It doesn't mean they're sure to win, but there's a very good chance.
If the yamato is smart and attacks on the sea before minoan's sea economy can get going (I estimate around 9:00), then the odds are on their side. Again it's not a sure thing, but the chances are very good.
What if minoan has a very good walling spot with 2gold mines beside their forest? What if yamato has the forest berries and minoan gets the 6 SF? What if the yamato player falls over from a heart attack? Well, some things you can't plan for.
Lotus_Esprit_V8:
I played AoE/RoR online for about 2 years. I tried most of my strats, and many others. I know some think I'm a rook just because I've been away for several months, but 3 years of reading and analyzing strats and stats, and believe it or not, 2 years of experience playing the game on the zone don't fade away so easily. I'm probably not entirely right about everything, but I'm probably right about a lot of things especially those I had much experience with.
I have the game, I just can't play it right now. I'll probably be a bit rusty when I can come back, but my knowledge of the game is still there.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-24-00 01:47 AM
ET (US)
4 / 91
SuN_Cam_Popov:
Minoan's first advantage against yam comes with the cheap boats, namely they can make twice as many warboats wit the same wood. Even with yam's boat hps they'll need 50% more wood just to keep up.
Minoan's next advantage is again a result of the cheap boats. They can make about 40% more fishing boats with the same wood, which means a faster boom and a faster bronze. Yes, yam might be lucky enough to have SF nearby, but minoan has the same chances of that.
Where have you been? Repairing boats doesn't work online: the enemy comes and kills your precious villies repairing the boats, and your *land* villie count drops.
Wanna talk about bronze? Cavs die to camels even 2 to 1. If yam ever gets to compies, so does minoan and theirs are better.
Yam is good against a lot of civs, but minoan isn't one of them.
Dave
Clubman
posted 04-25-00 00:57 AM
ET (US)
7 / 91
I take it that yam is better than mino early off because of their ship HP bonus? Is there any other advantage to help yam?
RomanGladius
AOKH DM Champion
posted 04-25-00 08:18 PM
ET (US)
9 / 91
Only on bigger maps where you can get away with it. If you make more docks you have a bigger econ but an even slower tool time, which is trouble against a Yamato tool rush.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-25-00 10:52 PM
ET (US)
12 / 91
SuN_Cam_Popov:
It's not hard for a minoan to guess yam has to win quickly. Minoan can tool fast too, you know. I've done 7:00 tool picking berries with them, so bleh.
If minoan isn't smart enough and gets caught off-guard, obviously yam should win. Then again, that can be said of any civ vs any civ right?
Based on what I learned from your posts, I have a higher opinion of yam against a lot of other civs. However, I still don't think minoan is on yam's victim list. I look forward to trying yam against some over-confident hittites, however...
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-25-00 11:30 PM
ET (US)
14 / 91
1. Why would minoan have less villies than yam after tooling at the same speed? They pick berries as well as anyone. (except palmy)
2. They can still use their FB bonus after they wall in, not to mention their warship bonus if there's any sea fighting. If they tool fast enough to survive yam's attack, believe me you'll see their camels and compies in bronze.
3. Scouts can be stopped by walls and/or bowmen, and minoan can make 40% more SS.
Minoan takes the sea after walling in, dock booms to bronze, and then makes their camels and superior compies. Minoan lives happily ever after, and yam... looks for his resign button.
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 02:13 PM
ET (US)
19 / 91
Tell me you are able to do 16 real villies and 4 FB with Minos in 7:00 and you rox: you don't dock for a fast tool: it slows you too much.
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 09:29 PM
ET (US)
22 / 91
Elijeh: I've said a Yams played CORRECTLY....this means: forward(s) builder(s).
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 10:30 PM
ET (US)
24 / 91
Why using Yams if you aren't rushing? This is what I've meant by playing 'em CORRECTLY. I'm a very good rusher (tool-brz or iron in a sling): this is what I do best...and I'm good to do huge boom under 16:00 brz: those 2 are my 2 strongs sides of my game...Yams beats (I know, I've used 'em many times) almost any strats the ennemy can throw at ya: you can adjust easily...If the ennemy is boomnig like mad (over 60), simply make navy while gonig for an iron under 17:00 and ya won with the cheap HA while he's losing all his FB fleet:I've seen many trying to outboom me like that and that was fun to watch 'em calling me a cheater :=)
"17:00 iron!?!?! How you did that!?!?!...I've awnsered: I've cheated"...