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Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-23-00 06:17 PM ET (US)         
Ok, listen up. The reason me (And I assume most others) can't stand you or your strategies is simple. When you talk about, say Yamato vs Minoan, you throw all of the odds to minoan so you are right. Minoan will have a spot with wallable gold, or wallable anything for that matter. Yamato will take the sea in tool but lose it in bronze somehow. Yamato's scouts will hit a wall. Suppose Minoan can't find gold? Suppose minoan has a mile long opening that can't be walled? Suppose Yamato has 6 sf to start with and minoan has forest berries? Knock off your crap with "Oh that will happen because I said it will" and start talking realistically here. And go get a freaking computer to play AoE on again before you make up any stupid strats and talk about war stories from 20 years ago
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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 03:20 AM ET (US)     51 / 91       
Hyper:
1. Try the fastboom with phoenie in the old AoE, if you don't have it you can get the demo version from MS's site.
2. The 2 opponents were egyptian and hittite, respectively. If I had seen yamato, I would have been doing something else.
3. 2 land vills and over 5k food in the bank isn't so bad, I think. Plop down some TCs in allied territory and you're back to high villie counts in no time.
 
If you didn't seriously try the minoan fastboom yet, I suggest you do. It has very different strengths and weaknesses, because you have far more FB than villies.
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 04:22 AM ET (US)     52 / 91       
1. Try the fastboom with phoenie in the old AoE, if you don't have it you can get the demo version from MS's site.
Owning AoE is a prerequisite to playing RoR, you need it.

2. The 2 opponents were egyptian and hittite, respectively. If I had seen yamato, I would have been doing something else.
Hittite can pull off a really nice, slightly delayed tool archer attack.

3. 2 land vills and over 5k food in the bank isn't so bad, I think. Plop down some TCs in allied territory and you're back to high villie counts in no time.

No chance you have 5k in the bank. You lose your wood vills you lose the sea. You lose the sea and you lose all your fishing and you now have 2 vills, some food, no wood and no chance. BTW when did we turn this into a 3 vs 3? And let's just say you do run to your partners land. You are out. Out, sorry but it's a fact. You've lost your land. My economy will now expand to your old land and take your trees and your gold. Your team's total land area has been reduced by 1/3. You will be sharing res with your partners (trees in particular). And for at least 10 minutes while you rebuild my team enjoys a nice 3 vs 2, really 3 vs 1 1/2 because you will have to be helped, protected, and share resources with one of your partners. How about we try this with a custom scenario. I'll start you out with 5k food and enough wood for 1 TC and I'll take a standard economy that has roughly 40 vills and maybe 400 food, 600 wood 300 gold. We'll see who wins. You up for it? Oh yeah, you haven't even played in half a frigging year. Your skills are really up to par aren't they? You can't hang with Demon Child. You can't hang with Popov. You can't hang with Tenaciti. You can't even hang with me. You are an intermediate at best, and you are a sorry one at that. Your strategies are horrible and won't work when applied to real life (like communism), but you claim to be able to do them. Yes you can do all you want to vs hit and egypt when two rookies are playing them. You play against me and make only 12 land vills you lose. I'll put money on it. I'll put my first born child on it. All I have to do is kill 5 vills and you are out of the game. My huge economy (on land and sea) will crush your weak, "Look at me I can tool in 2:30" economy. Being first to bronze means nothing. Suppose I bronze in 8. I hit bronze with 30 wood and 25 food. What did I accomplish? Suppose now I hit bronze at 14, and I have 600 food, 800 wood and 4 archeries with which to pump CA on your sorry ass? Do you see the point I'm making? No you don't. You are right I'm wrong I'm sorry I messed with the greatness of Wedsaz, who hasn't playing in a half a year. Please don't hurt me oh great God of RoR

Mark_Aurel
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 06:27 AM ET (US)     53 / 91       
Er ... not having played RoR for quite a while myself (and never being too good in the first place), I have to say that this stuff you keep talking about sounds like a load of crap, Wedsaz. Unless maybe you are playing High resources? Or you are playing speed 2.0 using a wristwatch as a timer? I wouldn't be too surprised...
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 12:33 PM ET (US)     54 / 91       
bah..... even pre-patch, i dont believe it's possible to do what he claims...... but even if there was a sliiiiight chance that would work....... aoe + ror are both patched right now and you CAN NOT play multiplayer without that patch ...... so that's that.......

in addition tho...... playing the old aoe before ror came out.... do any of u remember anyome booming? i dont .... usually people played inland and all they picked was assy...... a boom would ONLY be possible on coastal maps, even then the water is so strangely placed that you will be lucky to be by a boomable water source..... if you did do a "fast boom" whatever.... that would mean that the 1st forest u find, u pit.... without exploring for water..... but on a coastal map how can you be sure u will have water.... in ror there is cont, medit.... you KNOW where water is , you dont know in aoe coastal maps.... hell nobody even played coastal back in the aoe days......

13 min 5 tc's ? 5000 food in the bank? pleeeease wedsaz ... that's the biggest bunch of bs i ever heard when it comes to aoe/ror ..... unless... yeah, you play reveal, 2.0 but counting the time on a regular watch, and playing high resources...........

install the game, dont give bs excuses .... if u play u wont be wasting your "programming project" time .... because any of us will finish you off within 15 mins .... i sure would like to see your super achievements when you play vs me...... please just get the game on a comp and play it with me, i sure could use a good laugh.... hahaha

Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 12:43 PM ET (US)     55 / 91       
*btw* the boat boom was introduced in ROR , not in aoe, in ROR, and not at the start of ror either...... it took some time for people to develop the strat .... and that was the regular berry start boom.... the pit start boom was introduced even later..... so my conclusion is that wedsaz, you have read all these guides on how to boom..... but you have not actually tried it...... and then you are just assuming what a boom is capable of .... and you overexaggerate it 10-fold.... cuz has anyone, EVER seen wedsaz in a game? if he was pulling off this crazy impossible shit on people, he would be more famous and respected in the aoe/ror community than maimin marry.... so pls wedsaz, what you say... we know it's false .... ooh i did this, i did that, and yet to prove what i did i cant play because my ror computer is busted and im too busy to play due to my programming project buty hey i do have tons of time to come here and post big paragraphs on my super achievements that never actually happened.... please wedsaz... S T O P
Elijeh
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 01:20 PM ET (US)     56 / 91       
I'm not saying its not possible. I can do a 12 min, 12 real, 24 fb minoan boat boom. With Phoeni, I don't see hwo you couldn't do it faster.

Is the game AoE or RoR?

Recipe for the 12 min minoan boat boom:

1) Build villagers with your starting 200 food. build hosue with two villagers, scout for water or forest with the third.
2) When you fidn a decent forest, build storage pit, start chopping. 1 villie searchs for water now, you should have 6 villies on wood. buidl a hosue with the explorer
3) Lay down first dock, make boats outta it.
4) repeat step 3
5) make villagers as FB food comes in, put them on wood, untillyou have 12 reals
6) tool
7) build the appropriate buildings to bronze, maker villies while the buildings are built
8) click bronze
9) wall in(if possible) and make scoutships(my prefered plan) from both docks.
10) bronze with aroudn 1K food, upgrade to WG, get 2nd wood upgradE(you got the 1st ne earlier, right?)
11) build more villies and more TCS
12) kick ass with your quick, strong economy.

With phoeni it'd be easier as their 54% woodcutting means they have in effect 50% more wood cutters. So instead of 6, they'd have 9, instead of 11, they'd have 16.5 villagers cutting wood. thats a sizable advantage.

Not an impossible feat to do.

Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 02:34 PM ET (US)     57 / 91       
eli.... nobody is saying that a 12 min bronze with mino isnt possible... but 13 min bronze with 5 tc's is NOT possible
Elijeh
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 03:18 PM ET (US)     58 / 91       
mayeb it is, maybe it isn't.
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 03:50 PM ET (US)     59 / 91       
o brother....
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 04:15 PM ET (US)     60 / 91       
Blackheart:
I mentioned AoE trial because I assume your AoE is patched by now.
 
Nobody noticed me because I don't play in tourneys, I don't do 1v1, and I'm usually most comfortable playing tribber which is a low-profile job. The soldier gets all the glory.
 
Dock booms became *popular* in RoR, but they did exist long before. Ever heard of dock blocking? Who do you think came up with that? Not Celestial_Dawn, he was surprised when I did it to him in AoE trial.
 
Elijeh:
You may want to wall in and make scout ships earlier in tool, tool rushing being more popular than it was when I developed this strat.
 
Phoenie also gets more wood for the buildings, which minoan doesn't.
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 05:01 PM ET (US)     61 / 91       
Wedsaz obviously was the best AoE player since he can tool rush the best, bronze rush the best, iron jump the best, dock boom, dock block, wall, scout rush, cav rush, ele rush, anything rush better than anyone else who has ever played this game. So I guess we should bow before his awesomeness
butch26
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 05:17 PM ET (US)     62 / 91       
Hey wedsaz, where do you live? I'm sure we can find somebody close enough and willing to hook you up with about an hour or so on their computer.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 07:36 PM ET (US)     63 / 91       
Hyper:
Hehe, no actually I'm probably the worst rusher ever.
 
I can't bowman rush, scout rush, slinger rush, cav rush, camel rush, CA rush, HA rush. Basically, anything that's based on army management rather than raw mass.
 
As for the fastboom, I take no credit for the speeds achieved. It's the strat that made those speeds, not me. Please, try it and see for yourself.
 
butch26:
I might be able to play next wednesday, we'll see.
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 09:04 PM ET (US)     64 / 91       
next wednesday?

zm me, _dream_of_w33d_

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 10:22 PM ET (US)     65 / 91       
Blackheart:
I sure hope I can make it, I'm sure you're a great ally and a challenging opponent.
Elijeh
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 11:00 PM ET (US)     66 / 91       
Blackie sux :P
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 11:19 PM ET (US)     67 / 91       
eli u and me right now
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-30-00 00:57 AM ET (US)     68 / 91       
Oh somebodies gotta sign me up for this one, I've wanted a piece of you for over a month
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-30-00 02:05 AM ET (US)     69 / 91       
Sounds like it's gonna be a busy evening if I can make it!
 
Does anyone want to be on my side?
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-30-00 02:50 AM ET (US)     70 / 91       
Um, what about some 1 vs 1's for starters? I'd like to see that palmy scout + scout ship rush at 7 minutes or whatever it is that you can do. Partners would make it uneven
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-30-00 03:57 AM ET (US)     71 / 91       
Hyper:
I play best in team games. There's things you can do 2v2 that you can't 1v1, and the strat landscape is very different.
 
Making it 1v1 would make it uneven, it's like removing a piece of the tech tree or something.
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 04-30-00 04:45 AM ET (US)     72 / 91       
Wednesday will be one of the greatest days of my life. I can finally learn firsthand some of these great strats. COOL! I will dream about Persian or Palmy beating Yams or Mins or Hittites. You better start posting your game schedule for Wednesday because if I can't play you, I've definately gotta watch.
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-30-00 09:59 AM ET (US)     73 / 91       
I'm definately playing. Popov me and you vs him and whatever sucker wants to watch him tool with 12?
RomanGladius
AOKH DM Champion
posted 04-30-00 10:17 AM ET (US)     74 / 91       
Bah! Wedsaz you can only put five or six TCs at 13:00? Hah! I have 100 villagers and fishing boats by then, using only TWELVE real villagers.

LOLOL

Elijeh
Clubman
posted 04-30-00 11:18 AM ET (US)     75 / 91       
Um, All you niggas better recognize. I got first dibs on beating wedsaz's ass. I challanged him a month ago, and now get ta pound on'em .

Anyway, I think we should remain civil 'bout this. Its not the beat on wedsaz with a pogo stick day, its a match. We'll see how good he is, but we shouldn't be takign personal problems because we have a hard time socializing into the game' Kapice?

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