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Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-23-00 06:17 PM ET (US)         
Ok, listen up. The reason me (And I assume most others) can't stand you or your strategies is simple. When you talk about, say Yamato vs Minoan, you throw all of the odds to minoan so you are right. Minoan will have a spot with wallable gold, or wallable anything for that matter. Yamato will take the sea in tool but lose it in bronze somehow. Yamato's scouts will hit a wall. Suppose Minoan can't find gold? Suppose minoan has a mile long opening that can't be walled? Suppose Yamato has 6 sf to start with and minoan has forest berries? Knock off your crap with "Oh that will happen because I said it will" and start talking realistically here. And go get a freaking computer to play AoE on again before you make up any stupid strats and talk about war stories from 20 years ago
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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 10:48 PM ET (US)     26 / 91       
One more thing: with a heavy undisturbed boom, I believe you about the 17 min iron. I used to do 16 min iron followed by an ele rush with old phoenie, with similar comments from my opponents.
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 00:19 AM ET (US)     27 / 91       
Phoes and 16 were too stupid:hehe, phoes were simply too damn fast and too nice wood piles...It was easy to do a 16:30-17:00 Iron with over 60 villies...

Also, in a no forest spot, my fun was to delete my tc and rebuild one next to the forest (the one that was damn far from my original starting spot) and I was easily doing 50 villies in 16:00 brz...Not too bad for a sucky spot

Dave
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 00:46 AM ET (US)     28 / 91       
Sun_Cam_Popov, what was the reason for deleting your TC? Why not just leave it?
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 01:23 AM ET (US)     29 / 91       
Dave:
So villagers don't have to walk as far. Sometimes, if the distance is very great, it's worth the 200w and the villie production gap.
The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 10:29 AM ET (US)     30 / 91       
wedsaz-
In that case, would it not be a good idea to delete the TC and place it at a point which is near wood, food and gold?

p.s. I know this is a silly question, but I am quite new
to RMs as I always used to play campaigns.
What is a boom? (you always say bronze boom,
boat boom, or something like that.)

Also, I don't know all the shortforms you use.
What is sf?

[This message has been edited by The Phoenix (edited 04-27-2000).]

SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 02:01 PM ET (US)     31 / 91       
I was only donig that with Phoes and on CRAPPY SPOT: Meaning, no forest near my TC...nearest forest was at 3-4 screens or more...I've seen only 2 forests on a GIG Map for 6 players: so it means, 5 players with no forests at all and 1 player with a far forest and another at the middle of the map (not a joke)...Luckily, one dropped as everyone as yelling at their no wood spot, hehe. Those things happens very often on Conti Huge or GIG...

So, with the Phoes (pre-patched), I was donig vills (with the ones on food, my initials ones and the rest was going on strags) 'till I had 200 wood for a TC and that I had find out a forest. Instead of having all my new villies having to walk there, I was losing 30-40 secs there but I was gaining it after...later in the game. I've tried that on the pre-made map and it was always working; I wasn't drunk or something.

So, I was able to boom and have the biggest eco (highest number of villies) in the game (vs my 2 allies and 3 ennemies) with a 15:30-16:00 brz even if I had a no wood spot (worst spot you can get)...not too bad

I was also able to Iron jump if I wanted to: but who wants to Iron jump with Phonies? They don't get HA (Horse Archer) so it's useless.

Phoenix=SF=Shore Fishing...it's when you send a villie gathering food from a fish (not a fishing boat but really a villie) that is next to the coast...on the shoreline. The villie needs a storage pit to gather it back (not a granary) or a TC. So, the best spot you can get is a spot with 4 SF (you send 1 villie per fishing---this is with slow civ---and ya can keep a continuous flow of villies) and having a forest by those 4 fishes. So you end up building a storage pit and having this same pit as being your food AND wood source: so it rox. You can therefore dock faster.

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 03:49 PM ET (US)     32 / 91       
Yeah, I've done that a few times myself, with both phoe and roman. (fast woodcutting, cheaper TC...)
 
I want to iron jump with phoenie! I love storming the enemy town with a horde elephants just as they get the wheel, and follow up with an even large horde of scythes within the next minute, taking out any priests. I don't aim for the villies, I kill buildings until they run out of wood. No wood = no town = no more military.
 
Popov, how often do you see either 4 gazelles or 2 elephants near wood?
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 07:33 PM ET (US)     33 / 91       
Stop playing vs rooks ;-) You mean, you have Eles in their town while they get the wheel? Hmmm, so it means they do 16-17 mins brz...I wouldn't be that proud of that ;-)

Normally, you'd had lost by this time...

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 07:48 PM ET (US)     34 / 91       
16 min bronze was standard with slow civs like hittite or egypt, using berries which was normal at the time.
 
You seem pretty proud of your 16-17 min *bronze* with phoenie, so why should I be ashamed of an iron boom with similar times?
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 10:35 PM ET (US)     35 / 91       
With a no wood spot:remember ;-)

It was my fun to turn a crappy spot in a good boom...normally, it's more 45 in 14:00-14:30 ;-) and Iron jump if I feel like it...(but crappy strat)

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-27-00 10:53 PM ET (US)     36 / 91       
Jumping to the next age is worthwhile IF you can get away with it.
 
A long while ago, in AoE not RoR, I used to let assy CAs overrun my ironing minoan town containing a skeleton crew of a few villies and 5-6 compies and sometimes a few cavs while a small pack of villagers ran to a distant corner. Once there, they began construction of a new town. By the time the enemy destroyed my old town, I had a new one with helepolii fully researched using my old buildings, and training some from about 30-40 buildings. We both know 30-40 fully upgraded minoan helepolii slaughter ANY bronze units, don't we?
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-28-00 02:50 PM ET (US)     37 / 91       
oh boy..... here we go again.....
butch26
Clubman
posted 04-28-00 06:58 PM ET (US)     38 / 91       
hmmmm, lets see here. 600 fd to build 12 vills. 500 food for tool upgrade. another 800 food for bronze upgrade. another 1000 food for iron upgade. 1200 more for scyth upgade. Not to mention building army of eles at 180 each and what ever the cost of scyths are. Thats 4100 food without researching or upgrading anything, building the military units and not building more than 12 vills. all before your opponent can even research wheel? bullshit.

[This message has been edited by butch26 (edited 04-28-2000).]

RomanGladius
AOKH DM Champion
posted 04-28-00 07:28 PM ET (US)     39 / 91       
wedsaz, Assy CAs ruin EVERYTHING in AoE
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-28-00 08:23 PM ET (US)     40 / 91       
butch26:
I assume you're talking about my phoenie iron. Some little details you seem to be forgetting: 1- Pre-patch phoenie had 54% faster woodcutting, their civs didn't. 2- those 12 villies were all dedicated to woodcutting. 3- I was boat booming starting with 3 docks, up to a dozen or so by the time I ironed, while they were using land food. Food wasn't a major concern for a booming pre-patch phoenie. 4- I made a horde of villies from multiple TCs in bronze, to get the extra gold and wood I'd need in iron. Oh, btw the scythe upgrade doesn't cost any food. Default start, no cheats, no trainer. Just good old phoenie, doing a boom optimized for a fast iron.
 
RomanGladius:
Assy CA didn't change in RoR, so why don't they ruin everything on medit maps hmm? Compies, HAs, helepolii, ele archers, hcavs, legions, phalanxes, and guard towers all slaughter assy CAs. People in AoE just didn't get the boom figured out, which is why minoan (assy's nemesis) wasn't seen much. Congratulations, you just spit out BS.
butch26
Clubman
posted 04-28-00 09:42 PM ET (US)     41 / 91       
I stand corrected. However, i still say your smoking crack. A 16 min iron jump with food to build an army of eles and hordes of scyths? And all that before your opponent could even get the wheele? thats what i find the most implausable. Not so much the strat, but that you were so far ahead of whoever it was you were playing, but claim they were not a rookie. I'll tell you what. You've got to have a friend with a pc, or at least a friend with a friend with a pc get online and play a game. I would pay good money to see you go into the expert room and beat one of them (I only want to watch, like i said before, i'm average at best). And I'll make you a deal. You go do that, and i will post a minimum of 1 thread a day, for 2 weeks, in each forum attesting to your greatness. I have never called you a liar, and am not now, but it seems to be getting pretty deep, and i dont have my boots. I think its time for you to shitt or get off the pot.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-28-00 10:50 PM ET (US)     42 / 91       
They were intermediates, as half of the people playing RoR on the zone are. I don't have an inflated ego, I take the games I can and have some fun.
 
Try to get the wheel before 16 mins with egypt or hittite sometime, without using fish. I expect you'll find it to be very difficult.
 
Some of my friends have aok, but they don't have ror. I'm also working on some big programming projects. Believe me, if I could find a way to play without getting myself thrown out of the house, I'd be on the zone whacking people, not posting here. ( although I'm glad I met some nice people )
 
I don't claim to be able to beat experts much, although I did win against some I also lost against others. I'm fast and persistent (too stubborn or good defense, take your pick) but when it comes to offense, I'm worse than the average rookie. I do beat intermediates rather consistantly so I'm probably above that, if you have other names for it besides expert I'd like to hear them.
 
I look forward to playing with you... when I can play again, which I hope (for my sanity's sake) will be soon.

[This message has been edited by wedsaz (edited 04-28-2000).]

Wuzat
Clubman
posted 04-28-00 11:26 PM ET (US)     43 / 91       
hmm.. i, on average, get sub 16 with over 50 vills as roman. So, at 16:45, you have 6 swordies, in your 12 woodies. boom. you can't win with no villagers
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-28-00 11:35 PM ET (US)     44 / 91       
Except that by 13:00 I have 5-6 TCs producing villies like mad. Your swordsmen can't touch my economy, it's on the sea.
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 01:20 AM ET (US)     45 / 91       
by 13 u have 5 tc's? omfg wedsaz i thought u would cut this bullshit out........ this is the biggest nonsense i've heard from you yet..... dude..... if none of your friends, (assuming you have any, or are you just lying about them too) have ror, hey, im sure you have a copy, otherwise how would you have played it in the past.... install it on a friend's comp.... because your everlasting programming projects seem to keep you from taking 5 mins and installing the game....... anyway install and play on a friend's comp.... i'm gonna rape your town so bad...... i have enough of your bs gloating and achievements you made up..... 5 tc's at 13 mins????? r u ****in stupid? its hard enough to just bronze in 13....... if i was a moderator i would ban you from this forum for bullshitting like that.....
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 01:29 AM ET (US)     46 / 91       
Wedsaz you have crossed the line with that last post. Your econ WILL NOT be that strong at 13 minutes with only 12 initial guys on wood (oh wait, 16 after tooling). You are a liar, a bullshitter and probably can't bronze in under 30. I'm sick of this crap. If you don't have a copy of RoR to install on a friends machine I'm getting out a spare hard drive, installing the game and sending it to you, complete with a win 98 install so you can play. Sick of your bullshit dude. You don't even need to waste your time at work, you'll be out of the game in 15 minutes. Play me during a coffee break or something. Dumb ass
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 02:01 AM ET (US)     47 / 91       
Blackheart, Hyper:
1. pre-patch phoenie.
2. Bronzing in 13 with 12 woodies is easy if you fastboom with phoenie.
3. It takes a lot more brains and courage to say "please explain" than "bullshit".
4. Swearing and mudslinging don't make you look any smarter.
Elijeh
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 02:37 AM ET (US)     48 / 91       
13 mintue bronze witrh 5 TCs? *I* don't even buy tha...wait...Lets see, phoeni had a bigger economy than minoan, pre-patch. I can pull off a 12 real, 12 min "boom"(with like, 24 FB) on medit with minoan. It doesn't *seem* impossible. I think Wedsaz may be exageratign a little. But...It *might* be possible. The proble is, what game was it, AoE or RoR
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 02:51 AM ET (US)     49 / 91       
It was in old AoE, using pre-patch phoenie. You know, the guys with the chainsaws. (54% faster woodcutting is a lot of wood, even with only 12 woodies)
 
You're right, I may have exagerrated a bit with the 5 TCs... I do have to build them. But the resources were there, and by 14 mins I had a lot more "real" villies, like 40 or 50 or something. (I didn't count exactly, just lots)
 
Elijeh, thank you for looking for a logical explanation rather than simply screaming "BS!".
 
I would *not* recommend this with the new and "improved" phoenie.
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-29-00 03:08 AM ET (US)     50 / 91       
Wouldn't work with ANY phony, and you again have factored out any sort of competition. What happens if you get 4 fully upgraded yamato scouts in your woodies at the 10 minute mark? You may hit bronze, but you'll do it with 2 land vills left and no res to make any military. But hey, this is your strat not mine
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