wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-18-00 11:02 PM
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Good idea, I wish I could help! *sigh*
Blackheart is right, watching others is a very good way of learning.
Also making a plan before every game, and analyzing after every game can help even the best players improve.
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 00:16 AM
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I will gladly offer my services to helping anyone wanting to learn to play better - especially on Mediteranian maps. I consider myself a really good intermediate on Mediteranian maps (I beat all rookies, most intermediate players, and some experts). I can play and teach well Yamato, Hittite, Minoan, Phoenican, and Shang strategies (yes wedsaz I actually play my top Civs regularly). Zone Message me any night -BlitzkreigComin or _No_Name_Bandit.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 01:03 AM
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3 / 37
Yamato and hittite? Cool, I might want some help with those.
Can you also do assy? That's the only civ I never won with, which is strange considering how popular they once were. I must be doing something wrong. Oh, and scouting too: I can't find my forests on noreveal except on medit. What? Nobody's perfect.
When I can play online again, I'll be glad to offer my services teaching the minoan fastboom and, for intermediates up, how to bronze decently fast with palmy.
I won't be teaching the art of fast bronzing with persian yet, I wasn't done researching that. (Yes! I admit it! But the results were promising.)
The Composite
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 12:35 PM
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6 / 37
I need to learn how to use Palmrayn.:P
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 03:13 PM
ET (US)
7 / 37
The_Composite:
Here's a little something to get you started with palmy:
1. You *must* find a food source ASAP! Don't be picky, take berries, shorefish, gazelles, elephants... Put 6 villies if it's berries or hunting, you can put less on shorefish. (obviously)
2. I usually stop at 12 villies. Some will say that's not much, but they work like 18 and if I make more my berry patch doesn't get me to tool. You may want to experiment with switching to a 2nd food source and making 16 or so villies, it may make a faster bronze time.
3. When my berries are done, I switch my food villies to wood and make 2 docks to dock boom.
4. Continue making boats while tooling. Also build a barracks now.
5. By tool, (around 7 mins is what I get) you should have more than enough food to make 4 villies without waiting. Research walls, and build some. Make an archery, THEN a market. Why so defensive? Because many opponents will try to tool rush palmy, so you should be ready.
6. While bronzing, research woodworking and then gold minin. Also research whatever military upgrades apply to the units you want to use. Camels and cavs are good to have in early bronze, so I recommend toolworking and leather for cav. Afterwards get archer armor, because you'll probably switch to some kind of archer.
7. You're in bronze, your economy is stable, but you should probably make many TCs and expand. You can rush with cavs, camels, CAs or compies, but don't look to me for advice there...
If you're playing tribber, don't build the archery or stable until your ally's attack is won. Instead keep giving him any resources you don't need to make a villager or a few boats right away, and only when he's done should you bronze. When he is though, hurry up because otherwise you may not have writing before it's over...
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 09:47 PM
ET (US)
10 / 37
How often would it work? Maybe like... 1 out of 15 or worse? Palmy can't tool rush, i'm sorry but they can't. Shang assy yam and rome do it faster and/or better and palmy just doesn't have the econ or military bonus to pull it off
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 10:55 PM
ET (US)
12 / 37
Palmy has the econ to pull it off. Palmy needs 5 villies on berries for constant villager flow, same as everyone else except shang. The next villies you produce will chop more wood or mine more gold for the same training time. You can even put them on food as well to outproduce any civ, as they are the only civ with a berry-picking bonus.
Yes, I know their villies cost 50% more, but villies are worth their cost. Unless you think we should all stop wasting resources on villies and spend it on clubbers instead? Highly unlikely.
As for palmy's military, they don't cost more than anyone else's.
The reason palmy is usually slow and crappy is morale. Good players heard so much FUD about them, they don't dare touch them and automatically assume they're useless. Newbies just plain suck with any civ. Experts sometimes try them, but only once or twice with the goal of proving they're useless.
The key to using palmy right: don't make as many villies. That's right, LESS villies! They work 40% faster, so 5 of palmy's is like 7 of another's. If you train 22 villies, your opponent must train 32 to have an equal economy. Yes, I know that's 50f more but it's not such a big price to pay for 5 minutes of extra TC time, which can mean 5 minutes faster to an age or a faster economic growth.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 01:14 AM
ET (US)
14 / 37
0.45/sec + 0.20/sec, do the math.
I didn't say it was a good idea, that was a numeric comparison. Even so, I'll have you notice most people nowadays make an insane number of villies before tooling. Let's say 15 palmy villies then, and the other guy has to make 21, that's still a whopping 3 minutes difference.
I usually bronze in 14 minutes with palmy, after a 7:00 tool to be ready to repel tool rushes. Palmy is far from slow.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 10:28 PM
ET (US)
16 / 37
Blackheart:
Yes I did. I played AoE trial then AoE then RoR on the zone most evenings for over 2 years.
Telling me to shut up everytime I say something is hardly friendly. No wonder people are deserting the AoE forums and leaving for AoK.
You argue with my vague statements, so I give more detailed examples, and still you complain. Does everyone have to kiss your feet and accept your decisions without question?
I will gladly explain each and every one of my examples. I usually don't make a 5-page report about every statement, but if you ask me to explain something further I will. If something I say is hard to believe, maybe there's something I forgot to mention. Ask for more details.
Oh, I have plenty of time to play RoR online. I just have a hard time finding opponents who don't mind pausing for a few hours after 3 minutes, without advance warning.
What you seem to be trying to do is chase me off these forums so you can continue with your "yamato is the only viable civ".
Oh, and I'm sorry if I sound angry, but I came here to debate RoR while I can't play, not to get my head chewed off every time I say something. So, I am angry, and sad that the RoR crowd degenerated so much. AoK isn't killing RoR, our own infighting is.
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 10:45 PM
ET (US)
17 / 37
trust me there is many experts in esq that would be willing to take u on.... u just constantly make excuses why you cant play, and yet u make up these crazy stories how u got 500 eles + 700 ha after ironing in 16.... why are u debating a topic you dont participate in? play the damn game you lamer!
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 01:09 AM
ET (US)
18 / 37
30 eles and 20 scythes isn't exactly the same as 500 eles and 700 has. Also, since phoenies aren't what they used to be we can stop discussing what I did or didn't do with them.
I'm debating them because I love the game, played a lot, and can't play right now.
I want to play, but I can't! At least, not yet. Next time I can play, I'll look you up on the zone.
CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 09:57 PM
ET (US)
19 / 37
Blackheart, why do you seem to be on a mission to prove everything wedsaz says wrong? Could it be caus' deep down you know he's better then you and your trying to make him sound crazy so people dont find out? Im not trying to start something here(even thought i probably did). You should just stop trying to prove him wrong and try playing more so you can get good enough to see he isnt crazy and so we can have some peace!!! i know he isnt crazy caus' my friend in florida is a very consistent 11 min bronzer. its not impossible to do it consistently. im not saying everything wedsaz says is perfect truth, im just saying its not the crap you say it is.
CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 00:25 AM
ET (US)
22 / 37
What makes you think his reasons for not playing are fake? His comp probably crashed and you CANT PLAY AOE ON LINUX!
CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 00:26 AM
ET (US)
23 / 37
one other thing, you called him a "know it all" but yet you seem to know more then he does...
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 01:23 AM
ET (US)
25 / 37
Blackheart:
So you deny that having stronger or cheaper units can make the difference against a player of equal skill?