wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 11:11 PM
ET (US)
26 / 73
Wicked_Spirit:
I don't think 10 helos can beat 75 scythes unless they're on a hill or behind a choke point. 20 helos? Yeah. 20 helos vs 75 scythes would seem like good odds, but consider how much gold there is on a map, as opposed to how much wood. The scythe user can keep on swarming you till you run out of gold. I know this because someone did it to me, I ended up having to switch to cents because all the gold mines were gone and I had to use the gold from trading.
Therefore, I would say helos vs scythes is a race, to see if the helo user can crush the scythe user before running out of gold. Helos are powerful, but scythes are forever. (almost)
SuN_Cam_Popov:
You can beat minoan with greek in default RM medit? I'm glad to hear that.
Who cares about hills? This is RoR, people play medit and conti now.
Are you capable of disagreeing with someone without calling him a rookie?
Yes, formations probably help a lot but scythes can be mass produced longer.
Sure, I'll be happy to see how you form them up next time I go on the zone.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 04:01 PM
ET (US)
28 / 73
Wicked_Spirit:
Naval bonuses such as minoan's are useless on hills. Wood bonuses such as phoenie's and palmy's are also less useful. You can't trade, which limits the gold supply for gold-using units, making scythes and CAs the supreme units.
The civs that are left on hills: assy, bab, egy, hit, pho, rom, sha, sum. Half the civs are gone.
Duh, of course I used phalanxes. I said cents because most people don't seem to notice the unit they upgrade to it from.
If you send in scythes 1 by 1 against 10 helos, my opinion of you just dropped a lot. If you can send in big hordes, why shouldn't you? All the good scythe users I've seen use them in huge hordes, enough to fill 2 screens.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 06:05 AM
ET (US)
35 / 73
Try using martyrdom priests against port-iron cats. I'd like to hear the results.
Wuzat
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 02:17 PM
ET (US)
37 / 73
to kill massed postimp hcats with or without backup, you have to strike the economy. Kill ALL his villagers and tcs, and suddenly he is weakened severely. continue to spread yourself, and make sure to keep some stockpiled res if one of your settlements fails, or your army is killed. If you kill his villagers, he runs out of builders. if you kill houses and he has no builders, he cannot make reinforcements. if he has no reinforcements, you have to wear him down. namely by sending kamikaze scouts while he is moving. that way they dont fire immediately. also, send in troops while he is killing stuff, then you may get in some kills there. if you have em, helo do well against cats if you can distract em long enough. point and fact:econ is key, no econ usually means no win.
Caesar Constintine
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 04:30 PM
ET (US)
39 / 73
All I know about Catipults, is that they are dangerous when you have 100 of them attacking your main city and colonies, and nothing can stand in their way...
CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 05:37 PM
ET (US)
41 / 73
your right about one thing, cats do good with another unit, that unit is the balista tower.. not cavs or legions, i'll show you on the zone the very best mix to hold a shallows or something...
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-25-00 07:12 PM
ET (US)
47 / 73
What about persian war eles?
From what I've seen they're fast enough to avoid cat stones in RoR, and once they're up close they're rather hard to kill. Also, their gold cost is half that of a cat.
Dave, were the priests post-iron with a full-temple civ like shang or phoenie? If not, you may have been missing out on an important +3 range from afterlife, and possibly also an equally important speed boost from polytheism.
RomanGladius:
A heavy cat will kill HHAs with 2 stones, converted or not, and has 150hps, or 300 if hittite. If he stops firing, you'll take a lot of HHAs, scythes or other defensive units with it.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-25-00 10:21 PM
ET (US)
49 / 73
RomanGladius:
Persia's economy isn't as bad as it seems. Their main weakness is woodcutting, but they aren't spending it on chariots or super-siege are they? As for food and gold, their fishing and trade boats are as good as anyone's, and their gold mining is no worse than shang's. I hear most people don't even research the farming upgrades at all! If hittite or sumer can afford 50 heavy cats, I think persian could afford enough eles to counter them.
The only civ with full cats and good priests is babylon. Ever noticed that? All the other cat civs have poor priests.
If they have only a few support units, ignore them and charge with the elephants. If they have at least 1/3rd support units, martyr some cats and use them against the enemy's own support troops!
I've heard massed cats defeat legions (even choson ones) because they have area damage. Scythes are fast enough to avoid most of the stones while closing in, and once they're up close the cat's stones hit themselves as well.
Easy doesn't always mean effective. More cats only works if you have equal cats. If the cat user is a hittite with lots of experience using that civ, fighting him cat for cat is probably not a good idea. I always try to avoid fighting an opponent with the same civ, since they are usually better with their favorite civ and I therefore lose. It's better to find and use the appropriate counter-civ, shifting the odds as far to your own side as possible.