Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 01:34 PM
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um.... ror isnt about hordes of army units.... it just adds more variety to aoe..... and i know what aoe is all about.... EVERYONE picks assy, and when they hit bronze age, all they do is ca wars....... u should get ror.....
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 02:58 PM
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well its a strategy game with armies and stuff..... and while its not about making 150 armored eles + 50 villagers ....real wars were never won by armies of 10 archers.....
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 09:57 PM
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Wedsaz: Do you know WHY the game was designed to default to 50 pop? Because P90s with 16 megs of ram can't handle 600 units on the screen. Not because of balance. Are you sure we both play the same games?
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 01:02 AM
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butch26, I agree with you completely.
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 01:12 PM
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no wedsaz, you are not agreeing with butch, you are disagreeing me for the hell of it...... but you know i'm right.... cuz then where would your 30 eles and scythes be at pop 50? as a matter of fact if we were stuck at pop 50, there would be no new strats developed, as you wouldn't be able to boom or anything like that, every game you would end up using the same strat due to a tiny pop limit and lack of variety
EdgeCrusher6
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 02:01 PM
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I know don't post here muh but give me a break. You have been away fro mthe game to long to know anything. If you wanna make outragious remakrs on how great you are get a computer and play. I mean i know i have taken time off from a game when people woudln;t play with me cuz they though i was rookies cuz no one knew me. What i am saying man is that before you do anything like post more statrs.. get the game back and play a few online wiht people from the board. Tyr thsoe starts and you will get your ass handed to you.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 03:49 PM
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Blackheart:
I agree with butch26. Yes, I couldn't boom to iron - but booming to bronze is still very viable.
Booming wouldn't be the only viable strat, because there would be a limit on the maximum economy you can build to. Therefore, bronze or tool rushing would be viable as well. I can tell you from my experiences that booming is still viable in 50 pop against good players. However, you have to be careful to still bronze fast enough or you're dead. It's not an easy, solve-it-all strat in 50 pop.
However, since there's an iron age unlike AoE trial, 75 pop may be more appropriate. What do you think of 75 pop? 70 villies, 50 military units if you "overbuild"...
Hyper
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 05:25 PM
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You find tool rushing isn't viable on high pop limits? Really? Popov can you please scout rush him? Edge can you slinger rush him for me? I'll do some tool archers, and someone else can do axers. Why would I say this? Because Tool Rushing is already a big way to win, lower pop limit will just mean more people use it.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 06:34 PM
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On the one hand I've got BlitzkreigComin telling me there's no way a shang tool rush can stop a yam boomer, and here I have you telling me tool rushing is very viable and a big way to win. So, which is it?
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 07:29 PM
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SuN_Cam_Popov:
How many axemen does it take to kill 10 cavs?
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 08:28 PM
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Even tool bowmen don't fare too well vs cavs.
What kind of player is going to send in a lone cav against a tool army? A rookie, that's what kind.
Oh, you want to talk upgrades? Tool archers get leather armor, +2 armor vs melee. Cavs get toolworking, +2 melee damage. See? It's irrelevant.
Cavs don't get extra shielding until iron, but tool archers don't get extra damage until iron either. Equal again.
I get the gold from the gold mine inside my wall. I always make sure to include at least one.
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 09:07 PM
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lol now cam has taken my place as the one to ***** at wedsaz for posting garbage..... thx man..... my fingers are worn out from typing ... wedsaz still hasnt gotten the point tho.... i hope he does .....
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 10:13 PM
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Pre-made maps? No.
You don't need to mass produce them, because they slaughter tool units. Even tool bowmen die quickly to cavs.
I'm not saying it would be a good idea vs fast bronze civs such as shang and minoan, but it would definitely work vs over-heavy tool rushes and late bronzers.
I think you should read that article about strat evolution over at GX, you may learn a few things.
butch26
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 10:30 PM
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Hey, I'm not saying 50 is the best population limit, just that the game is designed arround that number. I was wrong about which article i was reffering to. It's an article by bruce shelly called "the 50 pop limit by bruce shelly." It pretty much explains why there is a limit. The only thing i was trying to say about the higher pop limits is that they make half the units useless. Towers are a waste of stone when someone can send 150 units against them. Priests are useless for the same reason, along with barracks and academy units. They simply dont stand a chance against 150 horse archers or chariot archers. Not much does. I wouldn't say my micromanagment skills suck, i win a fair ammount of games. Something like 70% against rooks, and 40-50% against average players. But thats probably the problem for you "experts" You guy represent maybe 2-3% of the players out there. the ones like me, at my skill level represent probably 70-80% of the players out there, and we are the ones it was designed for. Thats not to take away from you guys, but es designed the game for the masses, not the elite. To tell you the truth, i'm glad i'm not an expert. I like being able to play any civ and still have a good game in which i'm not sure exactly what i will do untill i'm half way through with it. I have no idea how long it takes egyt to reach bronze at 5:22 pm on the third sunday of june with 6.77 berry bushes, 4 gazzel, 1 elephant and a dinosaur on a subteranian large island map on the dark side of the moon with 3/4 reval no cheats. I also have no idea weather 1.6597 million archers can beat .9872 million stone throwers with a plastic shield upgrade. And to tell you the truth, i like it that way. Its the uncertainty that i enjoy, not knowing exactly what units to make and how to use them 10 min. before the game even starts. I congrartulate you experts for all your accomplishments and what you have achieved. I however am glad that for me the game still involes a lot of strategy and is not just about who can boom the fastest, and build 150 units first.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-22-00 00:34 AM
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Blackheart:
Except there's a 3rd group of units: infantry.
Mounted units kill archers. Infantry kills mounted units. Archers kill infantry.
Therefore, if mounted units kill archers things start falling into place. RoR with a high pop is like rock-paper-scissors without the scissors, which makes the rock obsolete as well.