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Angel JustGreg
Clubman
posted 06-10-99 03:17 PM ET (US)         
Hey guys, I was thinking one day, and said "Well, people seems to be major laggers. Maybe I'll extend a token of my goodwill to them". So I decided to write this.

Just a warning, if you screw something up, it is not the fault of JustGreg or HGS.

So, without further ado, Ladies and Gentelmen, boys and girls, children of all ages, I give you...

Five steps to improoving AOE/ROR Multiplayer

As we all know, the Zone tends to lag. This is something that is pretty much a charicteristic of Web based multiplayer systems. I just felt like helping the lower end agers catch up with us, and even help the people with Pentium 3's or K6-3's saying "What the hell? Why's it laggin?". Of course those Zone servers and the interface doesn't really help either...

1...

Sometimes the amount of things you have running while playing RoR can be holding you back... eating back valuble system resources. If you have an older system this can be a problem. I only have 4 programs running when I have an Idle system, which are...


  1. Explorer
  2. Systray
  3. MSWheel
  4. Hpwpsw

Some of the progs I had running Default were...


  1. Explorer
  2. Systray
  3. MSWheel
  4. Osa
  5. Findfast
  6. Realplayer
  7. ICQ
  8. EGN2
  9. Sidewinder Game Software

Some of these things have to go. Anything MS Office related- "Nope". Any third party prog, "Sorry". Anything unecessary goes. Not during games, anyway. There are a couple of ways to edit the progs on startup.

In Win95 it requires some Registry hacks. WARNING...Remember to BACK UP YOUR REGISTRY!!!
Go to Run, type in "regedit"and follow this path...

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run

Then delete the keys that you don't want (the progs)

In Windows 98, go to Run-> msconfig - Its a simplified version. Just click what you want or don't want and hit apply.

Ok now, moving on...

2...

The Zone and your browser are your enimies when it comes to lag. The whole time you are playing you have not one not two not three but four windows open, 3 a special internet plugin with java and the sort. IF possible, you want to close the browser, and in some cases even Zone rooms. If you do not want the Zone to do weird things, use IE 4-5 or NS 4.51+ (I use the latter... It works out good never crashes). Never use Opera. It works horrible with plugins. And it lags you like... Potejon

3...

ISP's?

No matter how powerful your modem is, you aint goin no where if your ISP only supports 28.8 connections. AOL is not a good Gaming ISP, or even an ISP in the first place, but things like Earthlink and Mindspring are fine. But if you can get a local ISP that has decent speeds (V.90 56k is what you want for modem... better trade in that crappy 36.6 Winmodem). A good utility for dial up networking is TweakDUN (for the 95 users that don't want to edit their registry). You can get it at their site, but beware that it is Shareware.

Also, if you have Cable, DSL, or Sattelite connections availible in your area, get it! Don't even have second thoughts! Some good services are @Home and Road Runner. These are cheap considering the banwidth they deliver!

4...

Hardware is still crucial. I know the sys reqs say P90, 16 megs RAM. But it will still hurt you in the long run if you have a crappy system. The best first step is a RAM upgrade... If you have 16 go to 96 or more with a 64 meg simm (not dimm...make sure its the same speed and has the same amt of pins and bus speed...) The next thing is the processor. If you have an old Pentium or Pentium pro resting in a Socket 7 or super Socket 7 mobo, a K6-2 or K6-3 is in your future. But, some people might have trouble doing that. Thankfully, there is a special upgrade package by Powerleap. It requires no reseting of jumpers, no changing of mobo bus speeds, no voltage changes. Just drop it in and enjoy Then you do as you please with that power. And don't give me that "all intel" stuff... save the money, get the upgrade. Don't be an ignoramus.

But if your budget is lower than a coupla hundred bucks... be stingy, we'll all be laughin at you

5...

Have you defragged your hard drive lately? Maybe you should. It'll free up space and prevent the HD from reading data all over the place. Every coupla weeks is ussually a good idea.

Well, thats it. Hope it helps you enjoy your AOE/ROR experiences. If you have any other questions concerning other games or tech Q's, e-mail me.

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-JustGreg

[This message has been edited by Angel JustGreg (edited 06-10-99).]

AuthorReplies:
Angel JustGreg
Clubman
posted 06-14-99 04:39 PM ET (US)     26 / 47       
Oh yeah those crappy winmodems

Well... K6-2's and 3's don't require upgrades Zen. You can't really do anything (slotwise) with them anyway. And the K6-2's and 3's have an FPU, its just not as good as the Intel chips. But it has like a megabyte of L3 cache running chip speed... so thats nothing to be overlooked. And since most people w/ S7 mobos can't put in P3's, any faster K6-2 or 3 is more than you had.

Godzilla
Clubman
posted 06-14-99 05:01 PM ET (US)     27 / 47       
winmodems suck. I bought a diamond supramax and i've never encountered a bigger piece of junk. half the time, the connection just magically drops. And when i first got it, the drivers were bad! It kept crashing my puter. Good thing i'm getting ADSL in a week.
Zen
Ghost
(id: Angel Zen)
posted 06-14-99 05:48 PM ET (US)     28 / 47       
That's what it is... I meant to say the original AMD K5's didn't have the FPU! =)

Angel JustGreg
Clubman
posted 06-14-99 10:15 PM ET (US)     29 / 47       
Hey we all make mistakes
Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 06-14-99 10:27 PM ET (US)     30 / 47       
"we all make mistakes"? What are you talking about? I don't! Well, ok, maybe I do. Come to think about it, I guess I made one even posting this.

Look, defenseless babies! (Fletch)

If you are reading this, the diversion ploy did not work.

Keep your stick on the ice.

SINGH23
Clubman
posted 06-15-99 00:58 AM ET (US)     31 / 47       
i also have a winmodem
sometimes when i am on the net the computer freezes
like yesterday i tried to get into a aoe multiplayer game
on the zone but just as it launched the computer froze
anythin i can do to help prevent this problem ?

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SINGH23.com

da only sikh tru to da game, AOE fo life

yea, an u know dis

Angel Zeus
Clubman
posted 06-15-99 02:27 AM ET (US)     32 / 47       
Well guys I am notorious for my turtle. I cant seem to get rid of that little snapper. Ive been tweaking my pc heres what I have done:
I run a total of five items now I dont know what the 2 at the bottom do maybe someone know?:

Explorer
Internat
Systray
Rnaapp
Wmexe <--- when I closed this I got an error.

Next: I dl'ed a MTU speed program which changed the registry settings like cow suggested.

Then I dl'd MemTurbo a program that defrags my ram. Ive been doing it before launching games and it shows improvements even with other stuff.

Now I still get lag but I think I know what it is. The lag i get shows a turtle, and my sound starts to lag even, and of course i get mouse lag. I think my sound may be the key tho. I am using a soundblaster Live soundcard.
I remember finding somewhere in heaven a while ago, some strings of code which you put in the aoe shortcut and it will fix something or other. I remember one had to do with sound synching or something, anyone remember/know what I mean?
Also, someone said microsoft has a page dealing with lag? whats the url?

SINGH23
Clubman
posted 06-15-99 03:10 AM ET (US)     33 / 47       
yo zeus da might god of olympus
rembember me ?
well i am also a lagger in the game
but it is better since i got my computer upgraded
but my modem still gives me trouble

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SINGH23.com

da only sikh tru to da game, AOE fo life

yea, an u know dis

Zen
Ghost
(id: Angel Zen)
posted 06-15-99 03:19 PM ET (US)     34 / 47       
Well Singh, if you have a friend that can lend you his non-winmodem for a day you can find out very quickly if it's your modem or not...
SINGH23
Clubman
posted 06-15-99 09:53 PM ET (US)     35 / 47       
well...
everyone i know is internet dependent
but the fact is that my computer only freezes when i am online
i cann't think of anythin else other then my modem as the cause ...
well that iz my story
an i am stickin to it

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SINGH23.com

da only sikh tru to da game, AOE fo life

yea, an u know dis

Zen
Ghost
(id: Angel Zen)
posted 06-15-99 11:44 PM ET (US)     36 / 47       
Humm... Try getting new drivers for the Winmodem - if that doesn't help, re-install dialup networking for Windows. If you have Windows 95 you should get the new Dialup Networking update from the MS website
Tenaciti
Clubman
posted 03-25-00 03:04 PM ET (US)     37 / 47       
this was a good topic, send it to the top up-->>
HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 03-28-00 08:05 PM ET (US)     38 / 47       
OK there are a few things I need to point out.

Yea, winmodums $uck big time.

The reason computer usually crash during internet connections is not the modem itself, but that maintaining an internet connection is heavy work for your entire computer. Data transfer over the internet is way more complicated than it should be, but what can u do? It is the nature of the "everyone accepted" beast of compatibility.

Some people here seem to think amd is a cheap cpu for bums who can't afford a real one. I've got news for u. I work in a computer shop, own a k6 350 (now 500) system, pay close attention to the computer news, have developed a few VERY trustworthy sources (check out www.tomshardware.com ), and do extensive gaming, work and "work on" my computer, and here is the real deal.


PS, particularly when it comes to rts, how much ram u have is more important than your processor speed, although they are both important. (i run 196MB)
Not only is the amd series cheaper, but every processor at the same clock speed is superior to the pemtium equivalent for several reasons, excluding use in laptops, and the new 1GHz. The 1GHz is the first pentium processor to outdo its equivalent amd one. Let me explain.

It has already been mentioned that the k6-2's an up have a large L3 cache. Also (i won't go into detail) 3d now is more efficient than pentium's stuff, and amd's have mmx equivalent tech, also more efficient. amd is also more stable, particularly with gaming, and can handle much higher temperatures, making a good choice for overclocking, as opposed to those pathetic poor gutted celerons. Finally,
Hey, amd is CHEAPER. That does after all cut cheese.

I must admit to two points however.
amd is not a stable mobile processor (it likes to ssit still, so not good for laptops)

yes, the 1GHz pentium did beat the amd, so if you have the money, and can FIND one, pentium is better for u, supposing u want a computer that can run the CIA and IRS simultaneously.

I will point out, that intel finally got ahead because amd failed to keep up with their chipsets, but that is being corrected.

Finally, just to put a guilt trip on all you intell supporters, take a look at the articles at Tom's hardware (url above) about the k7 (athlon) motherboards to read about VERY suspicious evidence surrounding intel and NVIDA concerning a problem amd had with their athlon. (that problem, once exposed, was VERY quickly corrected by NVIDA)

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Now keep yer eyes on the road and yer mind outta the gutter

HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 03-28-00 08:27 PM ET (US)     39 / 47       
OK just another couple of tips I forgot.

don't try to shut down rnaap, that prog is sort of running aoe. You CAN shut down systray, or just remove it from startup, believe it or not. (it is important, but it will load anyway when needed, which is not for games{at least just one})

if u have a prog running for your mouse, you can shut it down too, you will just have to reboot to get back your special features like the wheels.

if u have any monitoring programs, ie, getright, netsonic, norton anything, etc., scrap 'em. anything microsoft, and things like the creative launcher for high end sound blasters. these progs take 5+ megs EACH.

The only ESSENTIALS are, rnaap, aoe, explorer, and that's it.

Actually, u could shut down explorer too, but only if u do it before anything is running, or everything will crash and have to be restarted. I don't know if this really does any good anyway, so don't bother.

If your computer crashes frequently, esp. while online, try turning off your active desktop.

OK, just one thing left.

if you have norton speed disk or another program to replace disk defrag that is just as good, this is a VERY good thing. Here's what u can do because of that. Rather than putting your most frequently accessed or modified files on the outer edge of your drive (note that disk defrag thinks some info should be at the end of that looooong page leaving space in the middle) don't. the edge of your disk is the fastest place to read and write info, and it should be saved for use by virtual memory.


OK, one thing left, seriously.

lemme rag on windows for a minute. I mentioned earlier that I have 196 megs of ram. even so, if i disable virtual memory, my computer will inevitably crash in about 4 hours, saying i am out of memory, even if nothing is running. This attests to the fact that windows has HORRIBLE memory management. If you have a mac, linux, or anything other that windows, I congratulate u, on this point, at least. Just one word on windows 2k. It is actually nt5, which is designed for servers. What this really means is that is has better resource management, including memory, but it also is a pig to run. however, if you have a high end system, say 500mhz or higher, I would recomment it to you over 98. (i will stick with 98 for now, both to see the bugs worked out of 2k, and to see it in action a little more.)(the shop where I work uses it on mid end computers and they run wonderful, but then i don't play games on them either...most of the time)

OK, one more thing.

I'm done. feel free to add to this.

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Now keep yer eyes on the road and yer mind outta the gutter

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 03-28-00 08:48 PM ET (US)     40 / 47       
also, I know some of you know this, but it's not mentioned often enough:
 
LOWER THE POP LIMIT!!! (at least to 100, ideal would be 50)
 
If you have 4 people with a pop maxed at 200 each, that's 800 little men running in the host's computer! Even with a large one, 1/4th the pop will make the game run much faster. It's also the pop that AoE/RoR was designed and tested for, so has the side effect of improving the game balance...
G
Clubman
posted 03-28-00 09:13 PM ET (US)     41 / 47       
LOL, I remember this thread when it was posted, but now I have a PIII 550mhz with 256 RAM.

It was a nightmare back then on the old cpu

Wicked_Spirit
Clubman
posted 03-29-00 02:24 PM ET (US)     42 / 47       
LOL, he said "Ignoramus"
Hyper
Clubman
posted 03-29-00 04:25 PM ET (US)     43 / 47       
To whoever it was that posted above about the P3 beating the Athlon: Not true. They break basically even. Some sites say P3 is faster, some say Athlon is faster. The big decision though is that the Athlon is cheaper, and it uses standard SDRAM not extremely expensive RDRAM. What would be better, a 1000mhz P3 with 128 megs RDRAM or a 1000 mhz Athlon with 512 megs SDRAM? The Athlon wins economically big time
HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 03-29-00 09:29 PM ET (US)     44 / 47       
if u are referring to me as the one who said p3 beat athlon, u misread. only the 1ghz is faster in pentium. because of problems the athlon discovered at this pt. even so, it IS a close battle, excluding economics. I didn't include economics because a TRUE gamer has a couple of money trees in the back yard.
HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 03-29-00 09:34 PM ET (US)     45 / 47       
one more thing.

true, the 1ghz athlon is WAY more economical, but the problems it have at this time are serious, and ram can't make up for this.

also, there is a new p3 chipset that doesn't require rdram coming out soon.

in either case, the best thing to do now is wait, after all, nothing on the market today or tomorrow needs that kind of power. right now, half that power is spent watching itself because the power itself is a lot to handle. I know that is rather abstract, but then I could type forever too...

Masato
Clubman
posted 03-29-00 10:20 PM ET (US)     46 / 47       
i would definatly go with an amd over an intel computer... i've used both, and my good ol k6-2 has met my needs the best (of course... i am going to get the athlon asap)
Lotus_Esprit_V8
Clubman
posted 03-30-00 02:30 AM ET (US)     47 / 47       
Heheh, that should come in handy for my friend's 166Mhz, 40Megs Ram, 3 gig hard drive, 4 meg video card, LOL j/k

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Vladislav
Lotus_Esprit_V8
Lotus_Esprit@Hotmail.Com
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