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Lysimachus
Clubman
posted 01-17-99 12:09 PM ET (US)         
You wanna know why Hittite is most everyone's favorite civ? Because ES was stupid enough to make them too powerfull


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Indigo
Clubman
posted 01-17-99 12:19 PM ET (US)     1 / 44       
Don't get me started


Your_Old_Friend
Inactive
posted 01-17-99 12:32 PM ET (US)     2 / 44       
When I TRY to make a rule in the rooms, like:

No 2 Shangs/Phoenician in same team
No Hittite / Sumerian

people don't understand


The logic, as you said is very simple:

Fast Civs= Shang and Phoenician rulr supreme.

Slow Civs = Hittite or Sumerian (Scythes + HCats with bonus do rule!). In the end, a catapult war is inevitable (and boring).


The TRUE game is played with all the other Civs, which is a much more balanced lot.

Example: Minoan vs. Roman. Minoan have the Compies in Bronze and Roman have the Scythes in Iron, plus the Legions. Who will win?... Tough call, all depends on map + player. Exactly as it SHOULD be....

With Hittite / Sumerian, you have to go with them or... suffer the rain of boulders, the showers of HHA arrows and the thumping of Scythes... Simply too powerful.

And don't come to me with Egyptian Scythe BS - any well developped Hittite can kick ANY non-Hittite player out of the board, period. For this not to happen the Hittite player would have to be much weaker than the non-Hittite opponent


kibi
Inactive
posted 01-17-99 12:50 PM ET (US)     3 / 44       
i think the best way to beat a hittite is to tool rush with shang, roman, or phoenicia. the hittites lack slingers so a slinger/bowman attack should cripple his economy until the bronze units arrive. this is tought to do in a 3 vs 3 but is possible. another idea is to boom and outproduce him in bronze. if he iron with an economy, it could be a short game from that point.

kibi

p.s. could someone tell me the abbreviations for the smilie faces. i only know the normal one. thanx


Themistocles
Clubman
posted 01-17-99 01:07 PM ET (US)     4 / 44       
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Themistocles

Elijeh
Clubman
posted 01-17-99 01:38 PM ET (US)     5 / 44       
hittite sucks. Minoa has a better Bronze Economy(not to mention tool..). and those 11 range compos can out shoot STs..Believe me hittite has seroius problems untill iron. and minoa can rip hitters apart. hitters suppoused stregnght is far to overrated...i stomped a hitter DM last night with persian. And the dude had an eadg on me. Hitters big power is versitility, which shang and Phoen have(not to mention more of it, and a safer economy. i don't play hitters cuz they suck. Only CA availble as archery ranges means in Med maps their screwed. if ya want my detailed theory i'll give it.


FanatiC KaBaN
Clubman
posted 01-17-99 08:01 PM ET (US)     6 / 44       
Hittite has one of the slowest bronze time's, they have no bonuses that can get them to bronze faster, therefor you can beat them to bronze maybe by 30 sec's and build some camels/cav and try to rush them asap. Also hittite really strugles with food, they have poor fishing boats and no farm bonuses.

And i believe that with Egypt you can force a stalemate.


Sting
Clubman
posted 01-17-99 08:13 PM ET (US)     7 / 44       
psst...hitts get all farm techs, if thats what you meant...


kibi
Inactive
posted 01-17-99 09:33 PM ET (US)     8 / 44       
thanx for the abbreviations. i greatly appreciate it.

kibi

failure is the stepping stone to success


kibi
Inactive
posted 01-17-99 09:33 PM ET (US)     9 / 44       
thanx for the abbreviations. i greatly appreciate it.

kibi

failure is the stepping stone to success

p.s. 20 more posts for membership!


Bastyrdus I
Inactive
posted 01-18-99 04:10 AM ET (US)     10 / 44       
For me, Hittite brings me back to my first experiance with AoE... the trial version. Ahh... memories....

Ahem! Anyhow...
I have come to learn a tool rush gives you the greatest chance of defeating the Hittite enemy. A false rush, crippling his economy, but not quite injuring your bronze like a push or rush can, will keep him in his place as well. Getting a fast civ only makes things worse for them. They aren't slow by any means, but their lack of "extras" seems to put them at a small disadvantage at times. I would also like to point out that there is no such thing as an unstoppable civ. (How is it that Shang is the most powerful in the game, no.. wait, it's Phoe, no, wait.. it's Hitt... no.. it's errr....)

Using the right tools and micromanagement, and a bit of patience, can beat the Hittites in iron. That is, if you didn't click diplomacy right off the bat (you deserve to lose). Camels, as ugly and gangly as they are, seem to work pretty well. Ambushes and distractions turn the slow moving army against itself, even when there is HHA around. Attacking frontally with cheap skirmishers (and yes, even a few SC), set up your camels to come in behind the H/HA's, and chaos ensues. The Camel is weak against archery, but the time can be used to destroy the "indestructable" Hittite siege weapons with cav, chariots, and maybe that big fat wad of light infantry. Barracks units are a bit faster than Academy units, and rather disposable. Throwing them at your enemy like a tomato (it's gonna go splat! anyway) can be quite a good distraction. Dedicating his Cats to something he knows he CAN kill will make him vulnerable to things he SHOULD kill.

One thing I've always tried to remember. Never throw "everything" at an Hittite army. It's like a meat grinder. And they are very vulnerable to slashing attacks from the side and rear. Oh, yeah, one more thing...

Hoyoyo.... Hoyoyo.... Hoyoyo....


-Bastyrdus I

[This message has been edited by Bastyrdus I (edited 01-18-99).]

Hari_Smurf
Inactive
posted 01-18-99 09:38 AM ET (US)     11 / 44       
Hittite is my favourite civ because
a) it has a hunting bonus, I discoverd this today courteousy of CD at GX
b) it has arguably the best tool archers
c) it has arguably the best ca
d) it has clearly the best wg
e) it gets all the sc upgrades
f) it gets all the cent upgrades
g) it has the best hha in the game
h) it gets fire galleys with alchemy
i) it gets ballista towers
j) it gets armoured ellies
j) it has the best cats in the game
k) depite not having a particular economic bonus it has all the upgrades except the fishing ship

Now it can be threatened by a good player with Summies or Egyptians or maybe a handful of other civs but it should, skills being equal, win.
Hittite is the one civ I can pick and know I have a chance to effectively counter any other civ. For example if I pick Egypt I am going to die ugly to a Roman which will not happen with Hittite.

What's all this about Minoan bronze being much better than Hittite? Do you mean because of fishing ships? I can't believe its a farm thing. If the Hittite wants he can own the sea in bronze. Minoan compies are lovely but they come just a little too late for my taste and you gotta get the wheel anyway. Minoan and Mace are fearsome in bronze but are gold dependant and gonna fall apart in iron.


Your_Old_Friend
Inactive
posted 01-18-99 12:03 PM ET (US)     12 / 44       
WARNING:

To those who say that Hittite is slow to Bronze, has no economic bonuses, blah, blah, blah:

I have found in the Zone quite a good number of "intermediate" (hahaha!...) players that are capable of doing one of the following things with Hittite:

1. Bronze faster than you
2. Bronze not much behind you

In any case, they will always:

3. Bronze with a HUGE economy (in Mediterranean maps) or at least a respectable economy ("poorer" maps).


It is my belief that most Hittite players are ideal rush candidates and have developed their economic warfare skills better than the rest, because of sheer panic. I used to play Hittite in AoE and everybody knows how slow I am to Bronze. Still I managed respectable times with them and I also achieved high levels of economic welfare with them, once I went through the Ages. I was a very respected Rookie among the other Rookies ( )

Now, in RoR, I have not yet got to gripes with them, but their potential is shown by players of the Stooge's caliber - Farsan and others play them a lot and can certainly wipe the floor with many of our scalps

I think that Hittite is only vulnerable in the few seconds / minutes (depending on player) while being in last seconds of Tool / transition to Bronze / waiting for first CA.

In Bronze, the Combo 2 Cav + 10 CA + 2 St can deal successfully with any common Minoan army of 10 Compies + 2 ST quite well - try it!

The other Bronze units (other Civ's CA + hand to hand) are simply no match.

So, with great Galleys (able to shoot a lot inside from shore), great CA, great ST and Camels & Cavs - what can stop Hittite Bronze.

And (if it ever gets to Iron) Hittite Scythes + Hittite Catapults + Hittite super-HA can solve the matter anywhere - anytime.

They even get Elephants (Armored...) to untie anything else...

Geez, don't they get TOO MUCH?!....

And, as I said, many a Hittite player out there can mop the floor with Shangs, hehe...

I know I resign many games where I am left by the partners of the occasion and then a reputedly good player with Hittite is in Iron and coming in for the kill. He won't need any partners, letting him go to Iron undisturbed has already done all the damage to the competion... what ensues is pure accomplishment of the calendar.

Try:

"No 2 Shangs/Phoenician in same team (1 allowed) / No Hittite / No Sumerian"


This will certainly take the game away from the old Catapult routine and make things much more dependent on player that on Civ choice!...



Spam
Clubman
posted 01-18-99 03:16 PM ET (US)     13 / 44       
There's an excellent Hittite killer civ in RoR that people tend to neglect: Assyria. The Assy bowman rush still owns Hittite, and its the most effective way to kill them IMO. Unfortunately, no one ever plays Assy any more. Which helps explain the dominance of Hittite.

My 2 cents.

Spam


FanatiC KaBaN
Clubman
posted 01-18-99 07:08 PM ET (US)     14 / 44       
Ok Ok!!! so i was wrong! so what! ahh!!

I was just going by the book and common sense, i figured that if Hittite doesnt have extra vill speed or extra carrying capacity or better vill LOS, then they would be slower to bronze.

anyway, what was that about Hittite hunting bonuses?


lshaul
Clubman
posted 01-18-99 07:22 PM ET (US)     15 / 44       
Yes what Hittite hunting bonus? They don't have a hunting bonus.


Sting
Clubman
posted 01-18-99 08:29 PM ET (US)     16 / 44       
well I dont care if players get good bronzes with em, hittite is a slow civ if there ever was one.

I am an avid, and pretty good hittite player, but even I recognize the fact that hittite is slow. They are a slow civ, they have absolutely no economical bonuses which in any way effect their bronze time.


postapokalyptic
Clubman
posted 01-18-99 08:53 PM ET (US)     17 / 44       
Hittite is a slow Civ. I cant imagine how anyone could disagree with that. But no one can compete with Hittite except probably Shang and they would need to hit Hittite in Tool. There are ways to beat Hittite in other ages with certain civs, but lets just face it, Hittite is the most flexible civ, with some of the best Civ bonuses. Again, the only time Hittite has any real weakness is in Tool IMO. Someone please enlight me on any other weaknesses.


Hari_Smurf
Inactive
posted 01-19-99 06:36 AM ET (US)     18 / 44       
Of course Hittite is a slow civ. If i wanted to beat them I would go for Shang rush too. They are merely my favourite and most powerful civ, not the best in terms of quickly winning a game.

The Hittite hunting bonus is a +1 attack that the villagers have. It was first described by Celestial Dawn on the GX forum. I have never noticed it myself and I suspect its benefits are somewhat limited.

Hari_Smurf


Your_Old_Friend
Inactive
posted 01-19-99 06:45 AM ET (US)     19 / 44       
About the supposed Hittite hunting bonus:

It is all BS: Hittite Hunters = Rest of them (except Persian, of course)

I tested the hunting of an hittite (and also other Civ's hunters).

One King Elephant inside a fence and the hunter killing him.
Every singe hit was FOUR damage, period. Hittite, or no Hittite.

This settles the case. CD was bored and wanted to play around...

Hehehe!...


Hari_Smurf
Inactive
posted 01-19-99 08:00 AM ET (US)     20 / 44       
You mean it isn't true? Oh my and I have been spreading inexactitudes on the forum. My humble apologies.


Hari_Smurf


Ender
Guest
posted 01-19-99 08:09 AM ET (US)     21 / 44       
Well I won't comment on how badly hittite stone throwers beat minoan composite bomwen again, because people that don't believe it are blind and don't want to belive it .

Basically its true, Hittite is way to powerful to beat from late bronze on. The one weakness is the sea, you have to take it from them in early iron. Fire galley's are overrated, triremes still rule the seas in iron, especially early when your pre-built war galley's turn into triremes and theirs don't. As for Assy beating hittite, it just isn't going to happen enough to make it worth trying. You are better than hittite during the tool upgrade, basically assy has about a 1-2 minute wiindow where they need to win the game or hittite will beat them.


hydarnes
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 10:30 AM ET (US)     22 / 44       
Egypt has everything to counter Hittite. to start off egypt has the best weapon against catipults in the game, scythe chariots. so you'll say well I get him with my HA, but Ha are eaten by CA (Egyptian), and I'll tell you why, cuz you get them in the bronze. I now your going to say Ha eat CA right , but your horribly wrong. ok let's say you get 25ca in bronze, than your enemy get's to Iron, he starts making Ha, then he has about 8 ha, than you come with your 25ca, now who's gunna win ok getting back to why egypt rules hittite: hittite have inferier scythe, inferier CA. than you say well I'll take my academy units, well you see there already mine, Hiyoo hoyo, ok I'll get my AE, oops, Hiyoo hiyo hoyo. I don't know what else to say tell me sommore units that hittite are so good in and I'll tell you why Egypt rules them, oh I forgot, plus they have better in sea I could go on and on but one more thing, I wanna know why people say Minoan is so good against hittite??? what is the weapon that counters hittite? no one knows it's just cuz they say so please could you tell me what is the big unit that counters hittite? and don't mention compys, cuz compys are eaten by all there cats, and also don't mention helopoli cuz, cats eat Helopoli. so could you please tell me the big weapon? and don't say bronze cuz hittite isn't king of the bronze their king of the Iron.


Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 11:01 AM ET (US)     23 / 44       
OK, but bring your 25 Egypt CA against the 25 Hittite CA. Hitties get 25% more damage, meaning those 33% more HP are pretty much toast. If both perfectly micromanage, I believe you end that confrontation with 3 left standing. (Assuming my C program was right, and intuitively, it sounds about right.) Oh, and while your CA were attacking my CA, my CA were attacking your Wo-lo-los and STs, and my unmolested ST were decimating your CA. Gonna attack my ST? Fine. I'll outlive you. You didn't bring ST? Oops! Better run while you still can...

Don't get me wrong. I agree Egypt may have the best chance against the Hittite Horde. But it is not as lopsided as you may think. And an all-out CA offensive is just gonna get you killed.


Keep your stick on the ice.

Lysimachus
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 11:16 AM ET (US)     24 / 44       
Mr. Ender, you are so wrong about Minoan compys vs. stone throwers. You forget, that Minoan compys get up to 11 range in bronze, and that that requires is woodcutting, and artinship, which is soooo easy to upgrade to. I always get these two upgrades before i send my compys against anything. Stone throwers can only get 10 range in bronze, which means that a 150 attack of Minoan composites will bring down the ST before the ST gets a chance to fire. And plus, if you are a good minoan player, you won't have your compys bunched up, you'll have them spread out so the ST will only bring down 1 or 2 of you comps. And you'll also have about 4 cav sittn around to bring down your ST's for a little extra help. In iron, stop the compys.


Thorfinn
Clubman
posted 01-19-99 11:31 AM ET (US)     25 / 44       
Lysimachus, are you assuming that Ender would leave some STs just sitting around undefended? And 150 Attack? 30 Compies? They would have to be all in a curve radius 11 around the ST to open fire at the same time. Equivalent resource points would mean that he brings in 7 STs. You now need to inflict 1050 points before he gets a shot, and I don't think you brought that many guys...


Keep your stick on the ice.

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