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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-02-01 07:31 AM ET (US)         
Well, what about it? Phoenix, you still there?
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CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 02-02-01 01:29 PM ET (US)     1 / 45       
Our site? bleh. its been shut down. think about it, we've been working on it for about 6 months and nothing is up.

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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-02-01 06:41 PM ET (US)     2 / 45       
What the heck do you mean with that? Phil and me are still working on those sheets - do you want us to start a site for ourselves?
CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 02-02-01 06:58 PM ET (US)     3 / 45       
Dont look at me, i was just gunna be the downloads manager.

I came back from the trip and found out!



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the_true_Augustus
Clubman
posted 02-02-01 07:03 PM ET (US)     4 / 45       
i'd love to help out, but i already got 2 (soon to be 3) major web page projects going on right now
HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 02-02-01 08:01 PM ET (US)     5 / 45       
you all know I have a site, but I don't have much time for it anymore. If some are interrested in helping me out, say with reviews, I would be glad to house all that talented content.

HonoredMule | HM | website = RoR Complete
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--- But the castle's crumbled and you're left with just a name.
--- Where's your crown King Nothing?
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 02-02-01 09:23 PM ET (US)     6 / 45       
Sod it then, we'll do it ourselves, or as an extension to HMs ;-)

Peter - Don't forget credit where it's due to Dark Avenger.

__Q~`__


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[This message has been edited by Phill Phree (edited 02-02-2001).]

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-03-01 06:46 AM ET (US)     7 / 45       
Didn't forget him but I should have mentioned him alright. But it was friggin' late when I read that message
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 02-03-01 06:55 AM ET (US)     8 / 45       
Relax ;-) There's no way we're gonna let all that work go to waste.

My Karma ran over my Dogma

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The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 02-25-01 11:10 AM ET (US)     9 / 45       
Hi guys, I know this is a bit late, but my exams are next week, and I've been REALLY busy.

The main reason for the failure of the site is that out of 6 people, me and Nakul were the only ones working. Furthermore, we both had exams coming up! It wasn't making sense, so I finally drew the line and shut it down (or rather, posted explaining why we should shut down).

I'm sorry about your hint sheets, they were really good.

I'm still interested in AoE and websites......wait till after my exams, maybe I can help you then, HM.

See ya'll around.

The Phoenix

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-25-01 01:24 PM ET (US)     10 / 45       
Phew,

Welcome back man, I was really worried about ya. I'll stand a drink for everyone in the renewed RR

Anyway, Phill is working on accomodating the lot on his site so don't worry.

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 02-25-01 08:22 PM ET (US)     11 / 45       
And I'll get the next one in ;-)

Exams - Yeah, I know that one ;-(

It's really putting me off doing more of em ;-)


My Karma ran over my Dogma

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the_true_Augustus
Clubman
posted 02-26-01 11:39 PM ET (US)     12 / 45       
great news guys

Manor Sites (i'll explain more of this in a later post, i gotta go to bed right now) is hosting an AOE website. me and ace have our own strategy gaming network which is hosted at Gamestats. we have a staff of 6 (including Phill and possibly Peter). anyone that wants to help/work, lemme know!

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-27-01 05:19 PM ET (US)     13 / 45       
what exactly do you have in mind?
the_true_Augustus
Clubman
posted 02-27-01 05:33 PM ET (US)     14 / 45       
if you and Phill make a good aoe/ror site, we'll host it.

i'll of course help out with design and graphics. maybe content if you need an extra man as well.

this is what i have in mind, advanced map making articles (AI, PER, CITY, HEX), extensive downloads area, campaign reviews, large strategy articles section, possible zone tournements if we get big enough soon enough, interviews with ES, a chat room, great forums, and what ever else is left.

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-27-01 06:34 PM ET (US)     15 / 45       
Well, you know we have those hints - it's the only thing you don't seem to mention. And it's practically the only thing I had any plans for.
I can do some background work for automating programming and maintenance chores - if you need a lot of text searching/replacing in lots of files I'm your man. I got no imagination for graphics works, so count me out on that.
Dunno if Phil told you what our stuff looks like, perhaps we can send you some so you get the general idea.
Hm, did you ask The Phoenix to join in as well or is he too busy now?
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 02-27-01 07:48 PM ET (US)     16 / 45       
The hints are my primary reason for doing it too, but if the site gets a chance to expand beyond that and people don't mind putting the work in that's fine too - as long as they don't lose interest three months down the line.

Overall I'm not really bothered about doing stuff that other sites already do - I'm more interested in doing stuff they don't.


My Karma ran over my Dogma

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the_true_Augustus
Clubman
posted 02-27-01 08:17 PM ET (US)     17 / 45       
well there's virtually no AoE/RoR fansite out there.. sure there's sites that have a small section, then the other 96% of the site covers TC news. i want to change that, and i'm sure alot of you guys do too. we know there's a community, but no where to find stuff! sure there's aoeh, but there is no staff, except Zen and whoever posts news once in a blue moon.. so the pages never get updates. perhaps the Granary now and then..

do you see what i'm saying? aoe/ror needs a revival, we can be that revival! by suppling contests, tournements, downloads, reviews, hints, strategies, interviwes... all kinds of great stuff!

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-28-01 04:24 AM ET (US)     18 / 45       
You got a point there - but still - Phill and me, with help from Dark_Avenger, already did a lot. We'll keep ya informed.
the_true_Augustus
Clubman
posted 02-28-01 11:37 AM ET (US)     19 / 45       
here, me and Phill were talking last nite about it. click here and take a look at a template page i made
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-28-01 12:34 PM ET (US)     20 / 45       
Pretty good stuff that - don't feel any need to add to it. Except that you'll have to get the content for the rest

Well, one thing: we need a more descriptive name for the hint sheets of course - we know what it mean but nobody else does.

[This message has been edited by peter (edited 02-28-2001).]

BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-28-01 02:15 PM ET (US)     21 / 45       
I saw that template and it looks good.

From reading the posts here it sounds like there will be good content. My biggest pet peeve about current RoR webpages is that everybody on the Zone it seems has a website, but there is no content on them. Most other AoE/RoR sites out there say stuff like "Last Updated 2/1/99".

I think for a site to be successful as the life cycle of AoE/RoR continues to decline will be having excellent content and stay current. Is there commitment to stay current when new games like Empire Earth comes along? Questions like that should help determine if it is worth spending so much time up front getting everything organized and put together.

I will support you and hope you can make it a great site. I don't think I have any programming or graphics skills to offer that you already don't have. If you want me to do anything though, just ask and I would love to help out.


Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-28-01 02:27 PM ET (US)     22 / 45       
Oops, yes, that's a big prob. But that's for Augy to resolve. Our hints are okay (puffs breast); forums are a risk - the forums here are quiet already and there's no way to control forums (I mean get more ppl in to post worthwhile things). Of course it won't have to be constantly updated - nobody wants to rewrite Caesar's De Bello Gallico even though it's getting a bit oldish. The campaigns don't change - so the hints don't get out of date. As to strategy articles - you could offer something there perhaps. AOEH no longer maintains that part. News pages and so on - IMO it's too late for that unless MS decides to revive AOE.

The only other thing I can think of for now is to rebalance the download/scenario /strategy/hints part like this:

Multi player
(strat etc)
...
Single player
(strat if appropriate)
Campaign hints
Reviews
...
Scenario
(download)
etc

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 02-28-01 02:52 PM ET (US)     23 / 45       
Very good points from Peter and Blitz.

On the news issue, I'm with Peter on that. It will be the visitors who keep it active not developments in the game, and if they are prepared to do that then I have no problem with overseeing a forum, chat room, whatever.

When myself and Augy chatted last night I was quite hot about not having stuff on the navbar we didn't have or wouldn't be putting on. If there is a link to it then it will have stuff there for it.

To answer your question Blitz, yes, as far as I am concerned, at least, the site will stay current, I imagine that some things won't get updated every single day and that sooner or later we may run out of new things for some parts but then so does everyone else - the Academy here is a good example, but remember also that sometimes there's only so much you can say ;-) There will be an EE Manor as well, run as a separate site, which then leaves it down to each webmaster to keep it on the pulse, the idea is to represent both games (and possibly others) equally and, if the rate Augy is working at is anything to go by, we won't be short of content or interest. And maybe finally we'll lose all those annoying jerks with the attention span and imagination of a dead gnat who think because a game has a sequel we all have to drop the original. Peasants ;-)

It's all early days, first thing is to get something up and running and then hopefully that will impress them enough to host it for us. It's a bit like doing a presentation at the moment, first impressions and all that jazz, so give us a couple of weeks (work, school etc) and wish us luck. And thanks also to everyone who wants to help - we may well take you up on that as soon as we have some more good content together ;-)

__Q~`__


My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

[This message has been edited by Phill Phree (edited 02-28-2001).]

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-28-01 03:38 PM ET (US)     24 / 45       
Definitely. I'M SICK OF CLICKING ON LINKS PROMISING STRAT ARTICLES AND THEN LANDING ON A PAGE SAYING "SORRY, NO ARTICLES YET".

That was rather loud; sorry folks, had to say it though.
I don't want repetitions of that kind of failure. Phill and little me can provide for nice hints and perhaps some nice reviews as well - but I can't promise anything beyond that. But it would be a pity if a site meant to host these hints fails because we think too big about things we have no stuff for.

BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-28-01 05:26 PM ET (US)     25 / 45       
peter:

I feel your pain. Everybody always floods their web address on Zone chat. I go there and see an OK front page with neat little .gifs from the game for all of their links. Each links leads to a page that says coming soon. Duh... nice website!

As for updated content, you are right about the game itself not aging. I have recently enjoyed playing some campaigns I dl'ed from the granary and they were great. They might have been there for more than a year or so but were new to me.

My concern for updated material is to keep a community going. There are several "lifers" that I know on the Zone that will play this game till they die. I personally want to stay active in the AoE/RoR community because I love the game and it is still an adventure for me. I would like to see a website that can stay current with this community so there is always something to have them keep coming back. So many sites have fallen short of this.


Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 02-28-01 06:32 PM ET (US)     26 / 45       
Blitz:
If you feel like that (and you're perfectly right to), then don't stay there standing by the sideline saying it's such a pity if a site doesn't get updated. Do something about it! here's your chance. remember I started with the hints because I was invited to do so -> now I invite you to be more active for the rest. Deal?
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 02-28-01 07:33 PM ET (US)     27 / 45       
Deal ---- Count me in.

I will be responsible for Zone strategies and articles then.
That would probably be the best stuff I have to offer. It should compliment the other areas of the game that you, Phill, and others are working on.

the_true_Augustus
Clubman
posted 02-28-01 07:49 PM ET (US)     28 / 45       
excellent. so who's all in on Age of Empires Manor?

if you are, i need this information

current email address
full name (first, last)
desired "@gamestats.com" email address

if you feel uncomfortable about letting out your full name, email me

CoMBaT Villager
Clubman
posted 03-01-01 02:10 AM ET (US)     29 / 45       
Or you could do like me and use something like Ace Hole

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the_true_Augustus
Clubman
posted 03-01-01 11:55 AM ET (US)     30 / 45       
Okay Pete, we'll change the navbar..

how 'bout this.. on the left side, we'll have:

Single Player
Random Map
Death Match
Campaign
(all of which come from the hint sheets)

Multi Player
Random Map
Death Match
Scenario
(all of which come from the hint sheets)

Downloads
Campaigns
Scenarios
Utilities
AI/PER scripts (?)

and for the right side:

Community
Forums (should we talk with Zen, and just link to these?)
Chat (not right away, but after we start getting a couple hits a day)
Links

Civilizations
Roman
Egyptian
Sumerian
Far East
Hellenistic

Unis
Civilian
Infantry
Archer
Cavalry
Siege
Buildings
Ships

Staff
Phill
Augustus
Peter
Blitz
(also just tell me what you guys would like to be known as, and who else i missed)

BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 03-01-01 12:09 PM ET (US)     31 / 45       
I say no forums. HonoredMule has/had a forum and there just isn't enough to talk about with several forums. Get people to come here "to forum". Let the Manor site focus on these other areas that we are talking about.

Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 03-01-01 12:12 PM ET (US)     32 / 45       
Seems mostly okay - except that I don't know what we need a civ guide for now to mention one thing. IMO there's no need for that - everyone got the documentation so that saves on work.
I included a link to the AOEH forums in case ppl had questions the hints don't cover and again IMVHO it's better to have one good set of forums like the AOEH ones (and we could use more ppl and subjects here as we all know) than loads of dispersed ones, all for the most part as dead as a doornail.

For the single player games we provide only hints for campaigns, no generic strats as far as I know. -> what with the RM and DM sections? Anyone going to write strat articles for them?

That's for now

Did you see Phill's trial site yet?

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 03-01-01 03:18 PM ET (US)     33 / 45       
No, he hasn't ;-) I was going to show him when I got the frontpage to attach the hints to. I agree, lose the forum, but keep the chat room cos they're fun and I've got two of them (at the moment) while I'm deciding which one to actually use.

My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

the_true_Augustus
Clubman
posted 03-01-01 04:03 PM ET (US)     34 / 45       
well Pete, blitz said he'd help out with strategies, and i'm sure a few people will submit some strategies..

civ guides, people need to be more familiar with the civs..

forums.. lets just link to these

navbar... i'm making the new set of 'em now

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 03-01-01 04:53 PM ET (US)     35 / 45       
Hi Aug,
Blitz will do the strats for MP games - not for SP - that's what I meant. And I hope for him and for us all that others will come along with strats as well.

The best thing IMO is to make a navbar only for what we can provide for now and add items as we get the stuff for it. Then on the main page we put remarks about the things we have plans for - is than an idea?

Btw how's your Dbase project going?

[This message has been edited by peter (edited 03-01-2001).]

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 03-01-01 05:46 PM ET (US)     36 / 45       
A link to the Forums here works for me - and when it all goes live it would be nice if they did the same for us.

In the hints are some general rules for surviving and fighting against CPs, but obviously not that many. If we have strats I want to see playing against CPs and playing other people equally represented. This means I don't want 16 thousand variations of a Shang Tool rush with very little difference between them, and nor do I want the Zone to dominate, or any other part of the game. Some good solid strats and articles from the active online players e.g. Blitz, ManBehindTheCurtain, Dave, Manowar etc would be appreciated though, as long as they don't turn into complete maths lectures ;-)


My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

[This message has been edited by Phill Phree (edited 03-01-2001).]

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 03-01-01 06:15 PM ET (US)     37 / 45       
Oh I'd say that MP strats are prolly more in demand so we can have more of them. Dunno if ppl really want many strats against the CP, maybe something to get starters going who get tired of always being mopped up. But those are details folks.
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 03-01-01 06:54 PM ET (US)     38 / 45       
The strategies I would put on the site would be the ones currently on my site --- with some additions. Look through those strategies/articles and tell me which ones you want to use. I agree that the strats that would make my calculus teacher proud probably don't entertain the masses. I am honestly very open to "constructive criticism" about what you love/like/dislike/hate in those articles.

Let me know which articles from my site you want to start with (if any).


Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 03-01-01 07:33 PM ET (US)     39 / 45       
Peter - yes that came across a bit wrong - what I meant was in balance - for CPs all that's really needed is some general stuff, a lot of tactics can be gathered from the hints. You have been dubbed Sir Peter, BTW.

Blitz - You have a free rein - so mail me the ones you think are important for existing and Newbie Zoners. Don't know if you have done anything like 'a newbie's guide to zone play' but something like that would be good too, for people who want some general help to improve their game before they go delving into specific strats. And ones for different maps and civs, like that, really.

You are also Sir Blitzkrieg BTW ;-)


My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

[This message has been edited by Phill Phree (edited 03-01-2001).]

BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 03-01-01 09:36 PM ET (US)     40 / 45       
Wow -- Sir Blitzkrieg -- even spelled right -- I will demand respect with this "Sir" stuff -- LOL!

Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 03-02-01 01:43 AM ET (US)     41 / 45       
Anyone with strat stuff gets vetted by you, so I guess they'd better ;-)

My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 03-02-01 04:09 AM ET (US)     42 / 45       
I'm honored.

Looked through the test pages. Here are some more ideas:

- There'll have to be a version for 800*600 screens as well.

- The visitor won't need all of the navbar all the time. We could put the whole one on a kind of site map page and place a link to that and a few more buttons on the top bar, beside Olympus or whatever the mountain range is.
When you navigate to the hints for instance you won't want to get to the eye candy page at one click - such ppl won't want to go there anyway. For the hints pages you could use a top bottom frame set (see below). The Home page should have all of it though.

Sug for hints pages:

----------|---------------------------
Home | Mountain range stays here
Site map |
--------------------------------------
Title bar + (back link? at deeper levels)
---------------------------------------
Hints
---------------------------------------

So an extra bar might be nice - if you start using frames anyway it's nice to have the title of a scenario on top at all times. We shouldn't overdo navigability - I have been playing with frames a while ago but didn't think it was a good idea to have a navbar to all campaigns for instance - we can safely assume that ppl coming for hints don't want to read the whole bible - if we did we could have saved trouble by writing regular walkthroughs.

The current titles in the civ guide and units are misleading - but in a site map page we have room to list all of them - so on the home page a link to civs and units would be sufficient. However that only works if we actually have something about it - who writes the civ and unit guides?

[This message has been edited by peter (edited 03-02-2001).]

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 03-02-01 08:01 PM ET (US)     43 / 45       
Well I just fixed the lot so it can be viewed with minimum inconvenience in 800x600. It should still be perfectly acceptable in other resolutions - but of course it will be an ongoing process.

I know what you mean about the site map - am thinking about that, but the whole thing now has improved since you last saw it. Now the template actually does what I ask it to all that kind of stuff should now be easier to edit and change, with more meaningful names or whatever else is mutually decided.

The hints will get fully checked and altered as necessary over the next few days.

Stay tuned.


My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

[This message has been edited by Phill Phree (edited 03-02-2001).]

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 03-03-01 05:24 AM ET (US)     44 / 45       
Yup - Looking better now.
Only thing is that IMHO the bricks don't match well with the mountain pict - won't accept responsibility for that mix on any account.
Now everyone take a look at it and come with your valued comments - take care you don't flood

[This message has been edited by peter (edited 03-03-2001).]

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 03-03-01 06:51 AM ET (US)     45 / 45       
This is the weird thing - look in IE and the navbar has a brown background, look in Netscape and the background disappears and the bricks are there. Still haven't figured out why.....

My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

[This message has been edited by Phill Phree (edited 03-03-2001).]

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