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Dali Llama
Inactive
posted 11-09-98 11:08 AM ET (US)         
Being a new player (bought AoE/RoR last week for my son and am having a blast playing it myself... ), I'm finding it extremely "painful" learning the ropes, so to speak. I've already played about a gazillion games and so far I've gotten my a@# waxed EVERY SINGLE TIME by the compy... LOL. And yes, I played the tutorial up to "farming", where I got bored and wanted to play the real game.

What are the fav strategy web sites/3rd party books out there any of you veterans could recommend? I know, experience is the best teacher. However, before I embarass myself on 'net play (not to mention letting anyone down who happened to get me as a partner--I've read how you guys feel about weak partners... hehehe), I would like to get some in depth knowledge about the game mechanics which unfortunately aren't covered well enough for my liking in the **totally inadequate docs** which ship with the product.

Also, are there any "cerebral" players out there? I mean, does everyone just play for body count and to take over the world? Does anyone ever try diplomacy or trading as an alternative? Can you? Is that aspect built into the game?

I know that combat was one of the main ways a civilization expaned, but it seems like combat is ALL that this game's about. Am I wrong? Don't misunderstand, I'm an ex-Marine, not a tree-hugger, so I have nothing against combat! It's just that it gets boring for me ALWAYS struggling against the computer's shock troops (which has cheating AI anyway).

Is there a "thinking game" behind the scenes besides thinking about which technologies to get to make you stong enough to kick your neighbors feet out from under him and sack all his women and children?

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Barbarosa
Clubman
posted 11-09-98 11:38 AM ET (US)     1 / 7       
    Indeed, there is definitely more to this game than combat. The enormous amount of strategies is also just one part of what the game stands for. You can also play for the best score after a period of time, or for the protection of Ruins/Artifacts/Wonders - which can be really entertaining. However, even if warfare is one essential part of the game, the economic structure, as many of the experts here will agree, is definitely the most important aspect of the game and the hardest to master completely.
    Without a strong economy, you will be unable to resuplly the army and overwhelm your enemy. However, I think I know what you're leading to when you ask about diplomacy and trade. My answer to that is AoE is not like Civilization in that aspect. AoE is only a war strategy game, but AoEII might have some additional features like the ones you were hoping to find.
    About docs and books, what I can tell you is that a good way to learn something about
the game is by playing it on Random Maps against the computer until you develop a feel for the game, for the different civs and units, and then you should move to the Net Play. Playing against humans is the best way to learn good strategies and so on, that you should practice against the computer in single player. Also, you'll find further explanations in the Academey section in the AoE Heaven. NathanC's guide to a fast bronze is very good for beginners, and afterwards you should really read Celestial Dawn's Guide. Besides that, follow the posts in this Forum and that will teach you quite a few tricks from the real experts


~Barbarosa~

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Dali Llama
Inactive
posted 11-09-98 11:43 AM ET (US)     2 / 7       
Thanks for the info, Barbarosa. Btw, I like that nick, it reminds me of the Willie Nelson movie by that name which I really liked... .

I also played a ton of Civilization when it first came out. I've looked at the feature set for Civ II but never did play it any.

Ciao!

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Barbarosa
Clubman
posted 11-09-98 11:48 AM ET (US)     3 / 7       
    Hehe, that's one of the reasons behind it , but just one of them.


~Barbarosa~


Jehu
Inactive
posted 11-09-98 01:34 PM ET (US)     4 / 7       
Hello Dali Llama, welcome to the forum.

I remember when I first got this game. I wasn't sure that I would ever be able to beat the AI even on the easy setting.

As Barbarosa said, this game hinges on economic developement and using that to support military, wonder construction, etc.
One necessary skill required in this game is advancing to bronze age in well under 20 minutes with enough resources to defend yourself, attack, and carry out your stategy once you get there.

A few questions:

1. What difficulty level are you playing at? What setting?
2. How quickly do you normally reach the bronze age?

3. How many villagers do you train before hitting the tool upgrade button? (should be 20-22 for a beginner IMHO)

Common mistakes made by new players:

1. Farming in tool. Also, putting more than one villager on each farm (the second farmers does almost no work)

2. Building a large tool age army for defense "just in case".

3. Tooling without enough villagars (8-12) thinking this will help them advance sooner.

4. Building farms with 2 elephants and a herd of gazelle near your town.

These are just a few.

If you can give us a little more info somebody can help you out. Check out the resources on the site in the Academy for some helpful info.

P.S. Where in Texas do you live? I live in Weatherford.

Jehu


Sting
Clubman
posted 11-09-98 04:26 PM ET (US)     5 / 7       
AoE is probably the most strategical game ive ever played (which is easy cause is it is the first strategy game ive ver gotten into)

feel free to post questions here that you have about the game, or else email me with questions and i will be happy to give you an answer

i have been playing since April or so, heavily at first but now im slowin off...it was a good ride but all good things must come to an end at some point...

nonetheless i suggest you stay away from those 3rd party books. I could literally write my own books with everything that these books DONT HAVE about the game
i have viewed quite a few books, most of which were released way too early to even be accurate

there is nothing in these books that you cant find here or other websites
here is a link to another great site for strategies (some of them are geared for better players however, but those are still fun reading )

http://www.gamers.com/aoe

looks like html is disabled after all...

[This message has been edited by Sting (edited 11-09-98).]

postapokalyptic
Clubman
posted 11-09-98 07:45 PM ET (US)     6 / 7       
Dali Llama, If people on the Zone cant appreciate a new player then they are just worried about spending as much time in the day cramming wins in wih no real enjoyment. Granted, It can suck to have a bad ally or opponent, but Respectable players should take the time to give you their own piece of advice. Right now, I would say just concentrate on the absolute basics. For example: 1)Work on keeping a constant flow of peons in the beginning.
2)Pay attention to your times advancing through the ages and how you can improve them.
3)Get used to what Units and Technologies you research in each building.
4)NEVER build Clubmen.
5)Some people may disagree with me here, but Always try to build walls. I love these babies!
6)Peons are the Vital Unit of every Civ. Once you start practicing attacking, make sure you go for the peons to damage the opponents economy (basically his life flow.) Allot of times its worth it to ignore the enemies military units and go straight for his peons.

Those are all the basics I can think of now, but the should get you in the right direction along with what the others have added above.

Oh yeah, and dont buy any books at the stores! All ofthem are completely useless!


CelticWarLord
Inactive
posted 11-10-98 08:30 AM ET (US)     7 / 7       
There are several web sites with useful strategy guides, here at AoE Heaven there are some good articles (anything written by Celestial Dawn is worth reading). The site that Sting has given has good advanced tactics as well.
My own "Top Ten Tactics" are at: http://freespace.virgin.net/sarah.pickets/craig/celtictactics.html


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