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Topic Subject:Camels or Cavs against CA's
Washizu
HG Alumnus
(id: Angel Washizu)
posted 02-25-99 11:47 PM ET (US)         
From playing there doesn't seem to be that much difference between using camels or cavs against CA's. Camels have a bonus attacking horse units, but still are susceptible to their lower defense abilities, including CA attacks.

What is your guys take on this?

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neilkaz
Clubman
posted 02-26-99 00:56 AM ET (US)     1 / 11       
take your choice cause it is quite close, but I'd usually use camels since the cost 20 gold less and build in 3/4 the time of a cav. Camels also will be a big help if any cav/Hcav are seen(prob. from a different enemy)

Let's do the math ! Assume equal attack/armor upgrades and no Nobility yet to simplify.Assume typical CA too.

Camels have 10 atk vs CA and kill em in 7 shots.

Cav have 8 atk and kill em in 9 shots or 29% more shot required.

CA's have 4 atk and kill a camel in 32 shots !

CA kill a cav in 38 shots or 19 % more.

This should give a very slight edge to the camel.(Certainly, not as big an edge as the difference between 19 and 29% since with less HP the camel is more likely to be killed by massed fire before doing any damage) Toss in the 20 gold camels save and you see why, I make camels vs CA civs, not cav. (don't forget compies vs CA's, but you have to average that 500 upgrade cost into the cost of each compie you build)So Washizu, you are right that on th ebattle field camels and cav are about the same vs CA.. but make camels since they save 20 gold and should have a tiny edge. However, if you go cav and enough survive, the can be upgraded to Hcav, but I find I only use Hcav w/yam since so many of my civs have scythe.. neilkaz..

Bastyrdus I
Inactive
posted 02-26-99 02:59 AM ET (US)     2 / 11       
This is one of the things that initially bothered me about RoR. The camel bonus against CA is almost negligable! I have had a bit more success with massed camels, sure, but good enemies have hot-key fever and it comes out pretty even. It's unfortunate, too that camels cost so much. Once your enemy has enough CA, you're out-golded. Toast, even. I use camels, however. I can't really think of a better counter (hand to hand). I prepare against CA civs with a gold mining early in the game.

-Bastyrdus I
"THAT F'N BASTARD!"

Stooge_Farsan
Inactive
posted 02-26-99 04:33 AM ET (US)     3 / 11       
I am not sure if I remember right, but it seems that cavs have 1 shield, which means CA with 4 atk can only do 3 damages --- which makes 50 shots for a CA to kill a cav (150 hp).

Cav is more usful when bronze rush early -- to kill vills and tool army. So If I go for a fast bronze and bronze rush, I would rather go for a few cavs first.

Ender
Guest
posted 02-26-99 07:00 AM ET (US)     4 / 11       
Nope Farsan, heavy cav has 1 armor. If your enemy is using chariot archers build composite bowmen, towers and stone throwers. All 3 of these units give chariot archers headaches, also wall in. The chairot archers weakness is it can't kill buildings well, so if you are walled in and have some towers around they can't do a whole lot. Stone throwers in groups of 4 or more give chariot archers big headaches, and composite bowmen beat them in equal numbers and are cheaper, but they are too slow to win the game with .
Washizu
HG Alumnus
(id: Angel Washizu)
posted 02-26-99 12:12 PM ET (US)     5 / 11       
Ender said
quote:
If your enemy is using chariot archers build composite bowmen, towers and stone throwers.

Whoa, I almost though your were advocating compies for a minute there, until you said this.

quote:
composite bowmen beat them in equal numbers and are cheaper, but they are too slow to win the game with.

neikalz said

quote:
I find I only use Hcav w/yam since so many of my civs have scythe.

Hehehe me too, since they don't get camels.

Washizu

Nineveh
Inactive
posted 02-26-99 12:20 PM ET (US)     6 / 11       
Yeah I almost choked when ender said something pro-compy too
Sting
Clubman
posted 02-26-99 04:38 PM ET (US)     7 / 11       
heh Ender did indeed say something about compies. I guess its kinda like going to some lady and saying "Gee you are really great looking, for a middle aged woman."

[This message has been edited by Sting (edited 02-26-99).]

WarLust
Inactive
posted 02-26-99 05:20 PM ET (US)     8 / 11       
Even players like Ender have to eat their words at some point =P
neilkaz
Clubman
posted 02-26-99 09:47 PM ET (US)     9 / 11       
LOL Sting !!

Aww c'mon guys leave Ender alone.. he knows where compies fit in.. at the is dead beneath his ST's rocks !! . neilkaz ..

Your_Old_Friend
Inactive
posted 03-01-99 06:21 AM ET (US)     10 / 11       
Guys, please wake up!...

Massed CA (until their number lowers bellow critical level) have a tremendous edge (especially Hittite) over any cumbersome unit like Camels, Cavs, or Chariots: CA concentrate fire.
3 joint shots of 15 CA kill 1 Cav (and of course less is required to kill 1 camel or chariot).

This is the truth: At the rate of losing one unit every 3 enemy CA shots, you got to have better than that to win.

That's why Ender is right: get Compies AND ST!... If you don't have Compies (or, at least, IB), then get whatever mounted or RAX unit you have, but always use the ST to really administer the kill.

Most common error with ST: Popping out one and sending it!... It is the most stupid thing to do. Hint: Train them off the way and bring them in by the foursome (at least).

Will you EVER have the time to do that?...

I HATE CA!!!

(because they SEE so well, RUN so fast, KILL Villagers so well (you can't even spread or relocate and survive against them) and it's so HARD TO WALL AGAINST them!...)

neilkaz
Clubman
posted 03-02-99 00:22 AM ET (US)     11 / 11       
None of us say that camels slaughter CA's.. the point of this thread is to stress that camles are a little better vs CA's cause they cost 20 gold less ! I agree that about 4 ST with some back up is a better defence if you can't keep em out w/walls ! .. neilkaz..
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