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Topic Subject:Egypt has the best CA in the Game (revisited)
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hydarnes
Clubman
posted 02-24-99 04:39 PM ET (US)         
since my topic mysteriasly(sp?) disapeard I guess I'll have to post it again here it is:


Ok, I know this can be a pretty nasty debate on who has the best CA: Egypt, Hittite, or Assyrian. Now it will be a debate on who has the best ca, but there's no doubt that Egypt has the ultimate. But I wanna prove also that Egypt has the Best CA. First of all what r u gunna make with Hittite??? Cats of course!! (u would be dum if you don't) Cats and seige workshops both evaperate your wood which criples your CA production bigtime. Egypt can invest almost all their wood for CA. Now I know what your gunna say YES "the hittite make Cats to destroy the Egyptian CA's, so taht's why the hittite don't even need to make CA's" but you forget Egypt has the best Chariots/Scythe in the game, so while you make CA's you make chariots(u would be really moronic if you didn't make Chariots while u make your CA's) oops! and 1 more thing, yes it is true the Assyrian will attack with CA pretty early but they will lose in the long run. And yes they can attack u before you even have your CA's, but if you know how to play egypt u won't let that happen, you'll have Slingers, for their early CA attack. I'll be happy to hear your opinions

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Ender
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posted 03-01-99 01:15 PM ET (US)     26 / 34       
Problem is HA are faster than scythes, I can run away all day. Just like the chariot archer/cav battle. While you chase around my horse archers my scythes will be doing some damage to you, if you stop to fight the scythes my horse archers hurt you. I was surprised to see how well this works myself, but even a chariot archer/scythe chariot army beats an all scythe army.
Elijeh
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 09:03 PM ET (US)     27 / 34       
wonder. Fortification. Guard tower. Horse archer. combine these whatta ya have? A defense that egypt can't touch, which means egypt is gonna loose...simple. anyway, hitties HA will smear Chariots..even scythes. If i've been playing right, i shoulda smeared ya in bronze.
hydarnes
Clubman
posted 03-01-99 11:45 PM ET (US)     28 / 34       
OkÖ. Letís say u make a Fortification, then some Guard/ballista towers, and then some HA behind it. If you did that we would advance our STís and slither all your towers and fortification. Now remember your HA canít reach my STís while Iím eating your fortification and towers. And after Iíve broken thru your fortification and towers, weíll send our scythe and eat all your HA. Why do u compare Chariots vs Ha??? Ha are an Iron age unit, and chariot is a bronze age unit. Of course the Ha will win, but scythe eat Ha soÖ.. And sorry, egypt is better in bronze.
Elijeh
Clubman
posted 03-02-99 04:12 PM ET (US)     29 / 34       
1vs1 on continetal. I wall in, and make scoutships in tool, i destroy anything near the sea. What do you do? you farm and chop wood. I'm walled, and hopefully i'll have double walls up so my villies can get wood enough to make tons of CA. you use CA/STs. Well..i can use my ST to take your STs
simple. Why do i compare HA to chariots? because you'll be making chariots for 2:30 seconds while the scythe upgrade fineshes. And Anyway, egypt excels in CA/chariots/scythhes, but there are many things which beat that combo. I've had scythes stopped by minoan bronze age range 10 4 armor compies. So i love these scythe hypers. I once though scythes were unstoable. their not.

and for defence of a wonder: I'll prolly have a few Cats. 3-4 are always good. Egypt specilize to much, and has no truely effective iron age unit. scythes are stopped by walls and HA. which if you roll a few STs(why would you make Sts? yer low on wood and gold from scythe.) i'll counter with my own STs or cats.

Hittite has everything that egypt can't counter.

Ender
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posted 03-03-99 07:15 AM ET (US)     30 / 34       
except scythe chariots don't eat horse archers. Properly managed horse archers should beat scythe chariots.
Cherub Sting
Clubman
posted 03-03-99 09:32 AM ET (US)     31 / 34       
Hydarnes, cmon man you have to do better than that. Not to jump on the bandwagon here, but you really do need to back up your posts with more detailed evidence. Just saying it just doesnt cut it. I can say from real time gaming experience that egypt can be formidable for any civ, as can hittite. In iron though, if I was a betting man, which I am, I would bet on hittite.

Why hittite? Horse archers and SC against SC only...the HA/SC team wins. If you roll up egyptian STs with engineering, I will roll up Hittite cats with engineering. I think we all know who wins that one.

Ballista towers in groups along with HA shred SC (unless you manage to get a million SC). If you think you can get past that, be my guest, ive tried time after time in DMs and RMs.

Egyptian priests are the ONLY thing that will keep me from defending properly, because they will outrange the cats. In which case I would need to bring out some CAs and take them out...wouldnt spend gold on units who are going in on a suicide mission.

From what I can tell here, people seem to take it as "egypt on the offensive, hittite on the defensive". I ask you this, when hittite attacks in bronze exactly what can the egyptian do? They have one choice...quantity. Hittite STs still trash Egyptian CAs if you get enough of them, HP bonus or not. Hittite CAs and camels still trash Egyptian chariots, HP bonus or not. Minoan is also a formidable opponant for egyptian. Those compys are somewhat close to the range on the egyptian priest in bronze, and totally shred CA when you factor in cost and everything. In iron age, the only problem with minoan is that they dont have any fast units to catch egyptian priests, which is their downfall.

Tip of the day: Dont build priests against CA civs.

Under_Siege
Inactive
posted 03-03-99 12:29 PM ET (US)     32 / 34       
Ok I would like to say once and for all that HA do not stop Scythes. ( barring a choke point ) Ok the Hittie has HA, lets say about 25. The egyptian will have about 30 scythes. The hittite HA open fire as soon as they see the scythes. 25 * 9 = 1 dead scythe. Three shots get off before the scythes reach. Now its about 5 to 10 scythes dealing 10 dmg to about 15 HA. Two more die. 5 to 10 HA go down. By now almst all scythes have reached. 2 more scythe will die, and now all HA are dead. If you try to use Hittite scythe aginst the Egyptian to stop the hittite you can be somewhat more effective. However the Egyptian can just run by the scythes to hit the HA and the scythes at the samke time. Aint trample dmg grand. I belive the key for survival as the Hittie is having Ballista towers up. BUT being on the defensive is not the way to win a game. Im fine with the Hittite staying in his base while I rape all the resources.


My main point is that Hittite has no real advantage over the Egyptian in Iron, and only one minor one in bronze, ( war galleys ) which is overshadowed by Egyptian superior CA's and chariots. And Id like to see someone using ST's in bronze to any effect. ( imagines watching the ball launch, moves his ca slighty and then laughs as it misses)

Donovan_Darius
Inactive
posted 03-03-99 12:51 PM ET (US)     33 / 34       
I know it's been said before, but Egypt does not have the best Chariot Archers. CA's are best for killing vills. Thus, extra HP's don't matter. Firing rate and power are more effective.

So, if HP's don't matter, which is better, Assyrian or Hittite? Well, I like Assyrian, only because EVERYONE ALWAYS TAKES HITTITE! I get so tired facing hittite in every game. Am I the only one who like to take weaker civs like Babylon, Choson, and Carthage (not too mention Persia)? I know you can make a case for the first two, but I think they're all poor.
By the way, Greece is too bad. Can't play with them at all.

So, in summary, Assyrian CA's are the best, just because they're not Hittite.

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Ender
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posted 03-04-99 07:13 AM ET (US)     34 / 34       
any moron that fights scythes with horse archers that way will die of course. You use hit and run tactics on the scythes just like you use with chariot archers on cav. If you are letting the computer run your units in battle you probably are losing more than you should. Horse archers won't be any unit if you just let things kill you once they reach you, there big advantage is they are the fastest unit in the game... use that advantage!
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