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Topic Subject:In what context should the Yamato use their Centurions?
Draco_Wolfgand
Clubman
posted 05-07-18 10:24 AM ET (US)         
... That is actually a honest question, by the way. With the Yamato, I find myself going with Cataphracts/Heavy Horse Archers as my go-to tactic, and using Centurions as more of a elephant counter when the need calls for it. But I am curious as for other approaches I can take to this civ. On paper, I am suppose a Centurion/Compie combo could work, but I feel it just doesnt have the same punch if you arent plaiyng with the Minoans and their longer ranged Compies.
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Epd999
Scout
posted 05-11-18 05:01 PM ET (US)     1 / 11       
Centurions shouldn't be used to counter ele's, their bonus damage only applies to Cavalry and not Elephants, use Priests instead.

In what context should Centurions be used with Yammy? The only context I can think of is if your a better player and you're handicapping yourself. Otherwise Compies + Priests or if you're in the Iron HHA and maybe Cataphracts if it comes to it. Maybe you could make Hoplites if your opponent more Cavalry than you, you could use Hoplites as support. But you could also spend that 150 wood on a Stable and try out produce your opponent with cheaper cavalry.

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[This message has been edited by Epd999 (edited 05-11-2018 @ 05:01 PM).]

Draco_Wolfgand
Clubman
posted 05-11-18 05:39 PM ET (US)     2 / 11       
... Pretty sure that Centurions dont really get a bonus against Cavalry. They DO, however... Have a meele armor and attack that is just that high. Centurions actually defeat a Armored Elephant on one versus one, while costing less then half of the resources to make. Mostly because, again: Their attack and armor is just that high.

Plus, Yamato dont have many better options against Elephants. Heavy Horse Archers might be able to kill Armored Elephants through sheer abusal of hit-and-run tactics, but it normally takes too long for it to help you while your base is under attack, and as for Priests... I might be biased because I dont like using Priests very much, but... Yamato priests kind of suck :/
Cataphract887
Clubman
posted 05-12-18 03:13 PM ET (US)     3 / 11       
Im not an expert by any means in AoE, but I cant really see centurions as counters to elephants;the area of effect damage is just too high. The elephants handily win in larger engagements. Besides the elephant user can use some ranged units to damage the centurions then. I think you should have some bonuses to centurions to consider using them.

Priests are priests regardless of upgrades...any priest will do well in converting an armoured elephant.

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Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 05-13-18 08:20 AM ET (US)     4 / 11       
As soon as the conflicts get a mere 3 vs. 3, Elephants win. I won't say Centys are useless vs elephants, though a Combo of centies and priests vs elephants can be quite good.
Draco_Wolfgand
Clubman
posted 05-13-18 08:22 AM ET (US)     5 / 11       
Have you forgotten about the "less then half the cost" part? I cannot recall being in many battles where I lose against Elephants with Centurions, when Centurions outnumembered then two to one...
Exarion
Clubman
posted 05-13-18 09:53 AM ET (US)     6 / 11       
FU Centurions completely destroy FU armored elephants, even massed and in equal numbers. Yamato are only missing tower shield, but it does not matter for melee fights.
Centurions only take 4 damage from an elephant hit, due to their 14 armor and they deal an insane 34 damage!
Cataphract887
Clubman
posted 05-13-18 09:59 AM ET (US)     7 / 11       
Eh, I didnt play too much multiplayer but back in the day I won many battles of persia vs greek\cent users in DM

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Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 05-20-18 06:43 AM ET (US)     8 / 11       
I am preaching to the choir but in massed numbers the damage area of the elephants does tilt the balance in favor of the pachyderms. There's no doubt.

Centys can help kill the elephants but win a battle in equal numbers among similar skill players? I have yet to see that.
The_Patriarck
Clubman
posted 05-21-18 12:43 PM ET (US)     9 / 11       
Yamato Centurions are their equivalent to Phoenician or Persian Legions, Assyrian Cataphracts, or even Roman Centurions; the units enhanced by the civ are almost always better to build than them.

What context?, hmm, handicap maybe?; unless your opponent is stuck building just Infantry or Cavalry units, for some wierd reason. Yes, in large enough numbers, Legions can beat Cataphracts (particularly as Rome or Choson).

As for Elephants, if food means nothing; Hoplites and Elephants cost the same gold. I have to agree with the other guys, Armored Elephants beat Centurions (unless 1v1, not likely to happen though).

[This message has been edited by The_Patriarck (edited 05-21-2018 @ 12:47 PM).]

Draco_Wolfgand
Clubman
posted 05-21-18 02:25 PM ET (US)     10 / 11       
... I... Guess I just feel it is kind of jumping to conclusions to assume food means nothing, even on the Iron Age . I mean, farming IS still a population-intensive kind of deal, after all. Though you can argue both Centurions and Elephants are very population effective... Oh, well.

I also find myself building Centurions over Legions with the Romans surprisingly often, though this might be my Centurion bias at play here again. Long story short: Even WITH the bonus, I still feel the Roman Centurion is more versatile, completely destroiyng most cavalry units in ways the Legion would only dream of( As usual ), and, though it is slightly worst against infantry, it is by such a small margin it will probably only really matter if your opponent has fully upgradeable Centurions itself .
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 05-27-18 11:43 AM ET (US)     11 / 11       
Send centurions vs siege or massed archers, and let's see how they fare. But in all honesty, barrack units won't fare much better in the same circumstances :P

[This message has been edited by Suppiluliuma (edited 05-27-2018 @ 11:44 AM).]

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