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Topic Subject: Is the Elephant Archer underrated?
posted 05-06-18 08:06 AM ET (US)   
Now, I am sure that you all heard players rant about how weak the Elephant Archer is, mostly because, prior to Definitive Edition, it had the same attack as the Composite Bowman while being-Much-More expensive. However, I have been( Post DE ) fooling around with the Elephant Archer, and there are a few things I have been... Observing. A few actual advantages of its 600 HP.

One of then is that it is actually cost effective against against the HHA and the Chariot Archer, despite its massive food cost. Against the Composite Bowman, it is not cost effective if you factor in the food cost of both units. It is cost effective, however, in terms of strictly gold, as of DE. I have been told I dont consider gold as much as I should, so I am not sure as for to what point this information matters, though. Another thing is that, surprisingly, it can actually defeat Cataphracts in one versus one. It is not exactly a scenario where it dominates, but it gets better the more the numbers increase, especially if you can force a chokehold. It is certainly cost-effective in terms of gold, and I would imagine that after a certain thereshold it gets cost-effective even in terms of overral resource cost, though I havent tested enough to know how many Elephant Archers would you need to have out. It can similarly( And in fact, with even further ease ) defeat Scythe Chariots in one versus one. However, between the Scythe Chariot costing no gold, being overral cheaper, and its ability to deal area damage, I think it is one of those scenarios where it is not as good in pratice as it seems.

So, what is your opinions on Elephant Archers? Slow, clumsy archer that is way much more expensive then it is worth, or a unconventional unit that can potentially be as good as the Heavy Horse Archer under the right circunstances?
posted 05-07-18 02:40 PM ET (US)     1 / 5  
Definitive Edition gave them 1 attack, so I think they're now much more powerful.

I am joking xD one point isn't very much. In my opinion, they should find their purpose in siege because of their massive hp, while heavy horse archers have it's roles in battle field, directly in wings, with their tactics "hit-and-run" against melee units.

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posted 05-13-18 07:52 AM ET (US)     2 / 5  
Elephant archers are okay, in my opinion, making them stronger would make them overpowered. I still feel they are a decent counter against some siege that would maul HHAs.

[This message has been edited by Suppiluliuma (edited 05-13-2018 @ 07:56 AM).]

posted 05-13-18 02:22 PM ET (US)     3 / 5  
The main drawback of EA:s is their lack of speed. A HA user can always easily outmaneuver EA:s and sack your economy instead of going full frontal. Also it leaves them much more vulnerable to the high damage siege units. Hence i mostly find that they have situational uses, maybe for instance in RM games where I know I'll be able to meet the opposing army at some choke point.

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posted 05-13-18 09:20 PM ET (US)     4 / 5  
Although I expent a long time defending the Elephant Archer here, another weakness I would like to point out is that it is surprisingly nowhere near as good against infantry as the HHA. It actually loses against the Centurion in one versus one: It is not even close. It gets better, obviously, in most battle situations, where Elephant Archers will be massed and usually with something on their front to defend then and make it take longer for the Centurions to arrive in meele combat and start pummeling then: However, on another hand, the Elephant Archer is, again, more expensive and doesnt hit as hard as the HHA, so it makes it into less effective of a counter to infantry...

... Oh, and I was focusing on the Centurion, but I guess it also doesnt excel against Legions either I said it because, it seems to me at least Legions arent quite as good at killing Elephant Archers as Centurions... Probably because, much as I said before, the Elephant Archer enormous hitpoints makes attack more important then speed against then. I guess the EA is the closest thing I can think of of a archer that the Centurion can actually circunstancially counter.
posted 05-20-18 06:46 AM ET (US)     5 / 5  
I'd never go one on one against ultimate melee units with elephant, or any, archers. That is a waste of resources. xD
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