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berry thief
Banned
posted 03-21-12 04:41 PM ET (US)         
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layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 10:45 AM ET (US)     51 / 74       
Cyrix put yourself in my shoes.

Sit in your room for ~9 months straight never leaving the house, doing coding pretty much every day during those 9 months, and more info posted in the post above.

Then have people tell you all that time is worthless, and throw sarcastic/isulting remarks at you.

What do you think of the 5 dollar idea? Someone buy an account and make a download. Pooping on fruit trees in your fairy sale. Unrealistic assumptions, Etcetera.

197 anim files that were all edited/made by me sitting in that folder. ~200 new units/buildings coded. That's not even the start I can't get into this right now.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 10:52 AM).]

Basse
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 10:50 AM ET (US)     52 / 74       
Then have people tell you all that time is worthless, and throw sarcastic/isulting remarks at you.
We never said it was worthless. I, I am sure others agree wit hem, think it's great that you've done this and I appreciate everything you've done so far.
Durin_PT
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 10:53 AM ET (US)     53 / 74       
I've been following this thread for the last few days and I think a stop should be put to it as its getting out of hand.

I will however agree with the others that behind all the smoke and screen its essentially pay up or don't play. You may not agree but you are essentially, knowingly or unknowingly, trying to work around Copyright Laws and this will not do you any good in the long Run.

The option to do that Conversion was your own free will and if you wish something for your own pains, then have a donation button somewhere. Simply charging, through whatever means, to access it will not earn you a strong supporter/fan base as you are seeking, as as rightly pointed out, there are a hell lot of Conversion/Mods/however you want to call it, out there!
layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 10:55 AM ET (US)     54 / 74       
as as rightly pointed out, there are a hell lot of Conversion/Mods/however you want to call it, out there!
Then go enjoy them, they aren't on the same level.


I have full rights to sell accounts made through my thrones of time domain.

To tell me I don't is just insane.


5 Dollar idea? If this came from microsoft you'd literally hand them $100 for it if thats what they asked.

Did you not buy aom:TT when it came out? I did and it was $60. It was also a very minor amount of coding/modding/etc now that I have things in perspective. When I say minor I mean it would take me less than a day to do the coding/texturing/anim minus the modeling.
I've been working on my mod for over 2 years now, but I'm not charging anything.
Is that like in your spare time or something? I took off work and sat in my house for almost a year straight a lot of the time both day and night nothing but coding/balancing sometimes staying up for like 3 days straight, not even eating, not going to the bathroom, was addicted to coding, because I wanted the final outcome. Oh, and I work kinda fast, I had to recode the tech tree in almost full like two or three times to get it where I wanted it, some setups just didn't work for me. Losing money from not working the whole time.
And no matter how much you edited it, the basics are still aom engine, so you are breaking copyright law by trying to sell work of others as work of your own.
1.) I am not selling the mod I am selling something that I make through thronesoftime.com, a membership to have entrance to my members area, where you can chat with other players, have a pvp lobby to go in and start games from, etc. I think most importantly is have access to official tournaments with cash prizes and updates due to having community support from the players.

2.) Other than the basic game engine, please tell me more how microsoft took thier time to recode the whole game. That was all me buddy.

P.S - Did I mention it is most likely the best Age of type game you will probably play as far as gameplay goes?

I'll be perfectly fine playing against the AI I script, won't have to buy another age of game again because they most likely won't top this one once it's balanced how I want it from beta testing, which I can do vs AI.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 11:03 AM).]

Thompsoncs
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 11:12 AM ET (US)     55 / 74       
Actually I got aoe gold for 5 gulden, aok gold for 5 euros, only played free version of online, only played aoe3 demo and dont think I have the titans expansion for aom. I sure wouldnt spend 60 dollars on a game. Most expensive games I ever bought were cod4 for 30 euros and medieval 2 total war also about 30 euros.
Basse
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 11:12 AM ET (US)     56 / 74       
Then go enjoy them, they aren't on the same level.
I doubt this. Age of Chivalry for aoe2 took many years to finish. Age of Empires 2: Forgotten Empires is also at about same level of coding I think
2.) Other than the basic game engine, please tell me more how microsoft took thier time to recode the whole game. That was all me buddy.
Microsoft would never take time and effort to recode an old game like aom. They care too less. But when it comes to copyright, I've heard they are very strict.
P.S - Did I mention it is most likely the best Age of type game you will probably play as far as gameplay goes?
I don't think it will be more enjoyable than aoe1 or aoe2, since I love the 2d graphics. But it looks like a huge change for aom, and will probably play a lot better than the original
Actually I got aoe gold for 5 gulden, aok gold for 5 euros, only played free version of online, only played aoe3 demo and dont think I have the titans expansion for aom. I sure wouldnt spend 60 dollars on a game. Most expensive games I ever bought were cod4 for 30 euros and medieval 2 total war also about 30 euros.
It's interesting to see how game costs change over time. I bought aoe1+aoe2 collectors edition for about 5 euros each a few years ago, then aom+titans x-pack for 10 euros. I've only played aoe3 demo just like you too. I bought Warcraft III + x-pack for about 10 euros as well, same with Starcraft 1 + x-pack. Starcraft II and Battlefield 3 + x-pack are probably the games I've paid most for, about 40 euros. This was on their release days, but a month or two after release you could get both games for about 30 euros each.

After a few years the prices of "new" games drops drastically, unless they are still selling good (like Starcraft II does). You can easily get 2-3 year old games for a very cost, around 10-25 euros I think.

[This message has been edited by Basse (edited 05-06-2012 @ 11:19 AM).]

DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-06-12 11:18 AM ET (US)     57 / 74       
I just wanted to comment on this:
Did you not buy aom:TT when it came out? I did and it was $60. It was also a very minor amount of coding/modding/etc now that I have things in perspective.
There's a huge difference, they have a right to sell their expansion, it's their intellectual property, they can do whatever they want with it. They own the rights.

Consider this, what would have happened if Lucas Arts took the Age of Kings game, found a way to edit the data, threw their own art assets and heavily modified the game data, called it Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds and indirectly sold it by requiring players to buy an account to access their mod? That's basically what you're doing.

Yes, players have to buy Age of Mythology in order to play your mod, but you're basically indirectly charging players a fee to play it via the requirement to buy an account. Whether it's direct or indirect you're still making money off their IP whether you intended it or not.
layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 11:24 AM ET (US)     58 / 74       
Then go enjoy them, they aren't on the same level.
I doubt this. Age of Chivalry for aoe2 took many years to finish. Age of Empires 2: Forgotten Empires is also at about same level of coding I think
The thing you are missing is the huge gameplay changes that I have made.

Those are not on the same level period.


I have units other than archers using pierce attacks. If you think about why this is HUGE for a while it will sink in. Has partially to do with armor values.

The more obvious one is the special attacks on some of the normal units.

There is more things but those are two good ones to mention.

Those remakes aren't on the same level as far as learning curve, or gameplay goes, is what I was saying.
Yes, players have to buy Age of Mythology in order to play your mod, but you're basically indirectly charging players a fee to play it via the requirement to buy an account. Whether it's direct or indirect you're still making money off their IP whether you intended it or not.
You can call it what you want but I will support the people that donate to my community by giving them the game/mod for free, along with tournaments that have cash prizes, a place to talk to other people interested in this type of game, a pvp lobby, updates, etc.


You give me a little I'll give you a lot.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 11:29 AM).]

DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-06-12 11:45 AM ET (US)     59 / 74       
You can call it what you want but I will support the people that donate to my community by giving them the game/mod for free, along with tournaments that have cash prizes, a place to talk to other people interested in this type of game, a pvp lobby, updates, etc.


You give me a little I'll give you a lot.
I'm calling it like I see it. You're using the mod as a bargaining chip. "You pay me money, I give you access to the mod". If the mod was truly free, you'd be providing it to the public without requiring them to buy an account as well as updates to the mod. Of course though if you did that no one would need to buy an account from you and could just use other free PvP services already available. You are selling the mod, because there's no reason to use your service if you weren't.

Oh and by the way, there was another company called Aztech New Media that made campaigns and scenarios for Age of Empires, it was called Conquests of the Ages. I'm pretty sure they had to get permission from Microsoft in order to sell their content. What makes you different?

[This message has been edited by Cyrix (edited 05-06-2012 @ 11:46 AM).]

layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 11:53 AM ET (US)     60 / 74       
What makes you different?
What makes me different is I am not "selling" my "mod" as you call it.

Second to that I reached out to the microsoft team on aoeo forums, got no reply from them.

I guess third would be the fact that it's got more learning curve and playability than the games they have put out themselves, along with fourth being this is not just campaigns.

If we were to call my maps campaigns there's 55 of them that I have done a ton of work to each and theres a few I still want to do quite a bit of work to that I'm not happy with (mainly the mountainous ones) but not stressing over them at this time.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 12:01 PM).]

PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 05-06-12 12:03 PM ET (US)     61 / 74       
I've been following this thread for the last few days and I think a stop should be put to it as its getting out of hand.
I'm closely monitoring, if I or the other mods find anything too offensive I will close this and the other similar topic and take other action if nescessary.
Second to that I reached out to the microsoft team on aoeo forums, got no reply from them.
Don't even bother trying to reach the devs on the official AoEO forums, almost all of them (besides Ian Vogel) have nothing to do with the other Age games. Your best bet would be to contact Microsoft themselves.



layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 12:06 PM ET (US)     62 / 74       
Your best bet would be to contact Microsoft themselves.
I used to want to contact them, but I don't really have a reason to anymore. A few I can think of... That aren't even related to sales really.

The thing is I don't have to sell the game and I am not atm.

Waiting for them to contact me.

The websites been up for 3 months with some details explaining why it is so much different.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 12:08 PM).]

DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-06-12 12:08 PM ET (US)     63 / 74       
From the first page of your posts on this thread:
Minor gods are called eras and there will still be two per civ. One will be members only (free to play always once you have the game) the second will be unlocked in premium mode and will change once every 4 months to keep the civilizations constantly changing.

I have showed Basse why he is wrong. He just wants something handed to him. That is not the way the world works.

1.) They do not realize how my payment system works.
the coding and cd of the game comes for FREE. Yes, it comes for FREE, all you do is buy the PvPNet account to get access to the members area to have access to updates (that are free), forums, and members areas... and the game comes with that account for FREE so you can play it.

That is exactly what I am doing ONCE you buy acess to the MEMBERS area

The coding is being given away for free on the purchase of an account

Once you buy access to my members area only part of my site (PvPNet account).
Then you get the game (coding) and updates for free from that point in time.

For a pathetic limited time of $25 for an account to play this
Yeah, you're definitely not selling the mod. Oh wait you are. You might not be selling the mod directly, but you're selling access to the mod. That's still selling the mod.

[This message has been edited by Cyrix (edited 05-06-2012 @ 12:09 PM).]

layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 12:09 PM ET (US)     64 / 74       
No I am not.

I don't need to say anymore than that.

Unless you are on the microsoft team this is none of your business.

I shouldn't have to repeat myself, access to forums, pvp lobby, chat area, update notes, tournaments does not = buying the game.

The motives of attacks is what has me questioning who I am really talking to, people who want to bum an account, and probably play cracked versions of the officials anyways. Or someone in microsoft.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 12:12 PM).]

PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 05-06-12 12:12 PM ET (US)     65 / 74       
Stop fooling yourself by pretending you are not selling the mod. It is up for sale at the moment and I've seen it on ebay as well, without permission from Microsoft - you should at least notify them of what you are doing, they are not coming to you. You don't want any lawsuit, and possibly losing all the hard work you've done.



layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 12:13 PM ET (US)     66 / 74       
You didn't read the auction did you?

Anyways this should be stuck in my signature :

If this came from microsoft you'd literally hand them $100 for it if thats what they asked.

Did you not buy aom:TT when it came out? I did and it was $60. It was also a very minor amount of coding/modding/etc now that I have things in perspective. When I say minor I mean it would take me less than a day to do the coding/texturing/anim minus the modeling.
I've been working on my mod for over 2 years now, but I'm not charging anything.
Is that like in your spare time or something? I took off work and sat in my house for almost a year straight a lot of the time both day and night nothing but coding/balancing sometimes staying up for like 3 days straight, not even eating, not going to the bathroom, was addicted to coding, because I wanted the final outcome. Oh, and I work kinda fast, I had to recode the tech tree in almost full like two or three times to get it where I wanted it, some setups just didn't work for me. Losing money from not working the whole time.
And no matter how much you edited it, the basics are still aom engine, so you are breaking copyright law by trying to sell work of others as work of your own.
1.) I am not selling the mod plus microsoft does not own something that I make through thronesoftime.com, a membership to have entrance to my members area, where you can chat with other players, have a pvp lobby to go in and start games from, etc. I think most importantly is have access to official tournaments with cash prizes and updates due to having community support from the players.

2.) Other than the basic game engine, please tell me more how microsoft took thier time to recode the whole game. That was all me buddy.

P.S - Did I mention it is most likely the best Age of type game you will probably play as far as gameplay goes?

I'll be perfectly fine playing against the AI I script, won't have to buy another age of game again because they most likely won't top this one once it's balanced how I want it from beta testing, which I can do vs AI.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 12:34 PM).]

Thompsoncs
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 12:29 PM ET (US)     67 / 74       
You do realize that your tone in this thread does not really help to create a fanbase for your mod? And this being a age of empire site, means we are part of your potential players.

If this mod was free I would certainly at least take a look at it, for money....no way.

btw, you sure like to repeat that last part of your comment.

[This message has been edited by Thompsoncs (edited 05-06-2012 @ 12:30 PM).]

Basse
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 12:30 PM ET (US)     68 / 74       
layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 12:31 PM ET (US)     69 / 74       
You do realize that your tone in this thread does not really help to create a fanbase for your mod? And this being a age of empire site, means we are part of your potential players.

If this mod was free I would certainly at least take a look at it, for money....no way.
The people giving me insults/bad assumptions and most likely haven't even read the notes before making them.

I don't expect to have played it in the first place.

Is this not selling the mod?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Thrones-of-Time-Age-of-Mythology-Expansion-Age-of-Empires-Rise-of-Rome-Remake-/280874141589?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4165674795
It clearly says that listing is not for age of mythology or for aoeror, but for a pvpnet account.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 12:35 PM).]

DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-06-12 12:35 PM ET (US)     70 / 74       
If you aren't offering the mod and any updates to the mod for free to the public, then you're selling it. Free means anyone can download it, i.e they don't have to buy an account to get it.
Basse
Clubman
posted 05-06-12 12:35 PM ET (US)     71 / 74       
Stop with the stupid dolan pic, it has nothing to do with the subject.
layz
Banned
posted 05-06-12 12:38 PM ET (US)     72 / 74       
If you aren't offering the mod and any updates to the mod for free to the public, then you're selling it. Free means anyone can download it, i.e they don't have to buy an account to get it.
Not neccessarily.

Ever heard of buy one get one free?

Doesn't mean you paid for both, that is a bad example.

I could think of a better example where you pay an entrance fee to a place and can get other things for free but don't feel like thinking right now.

However these are considered to be donations to the community anyways, not transactions.


You "pay" to get inside the community, the game is free.



-----------------------------------------
-Layz



If this came from microsoft you'd literally hand them $100 for it if thats what they asked.

Did you not buy aom:TT when it came out? I did and it was $60. It was also a very minor amount of coding/modding/etc now that I have things in perspective. When I say minor I mean it would take me less than a day to do the coding/texturing/anim minus the modeling.
I've been working on my mod for over 2 years now, but I'm not charging anything.
Is that like in your spare time or something? I took off work and sat in my house for almost a year straight a lot of the time both day and night nothing but coding/balancing sometimes staying up for like 3 days straight, not even eating, not going to the bathroom, was addicted to coding, because I wanted the final outcome. Oh, and I work kinda fast, I had to recode the tech tree in almost full like two or three times to get it where I wanted it, some setups just didn't work for me. Losing money from not working the whole time.
And no matter how much you edited it, the basics are still aom engine, so you are breaking copyright law by trying to sell work of others as work of your own.
1.) I am not selling the mod plus microsoft does not own something that I make through thronesoftime.com, a membership to have entrance to my members area, where you can chat with other players, have a pvp lobby to go in and start games from, etc. I think most importantly is have access to official tournaments with cash prizes and updates due to having community support from the players.

2.) Other than the basic game engine, please tell me more how microsoft took thier time to recode the whole game. That was all me buddy.

P.S - Did I mention it is most likely the best Age of type game you will probably play as far as gameplay goes?

I'll be perfectly fine playing against the AI I script, won't have to buy another age of game again because they most likely won't top this one once it's balanced how I want it from beta testing, which I can do vs AI.

[This message has been edited by layz (edited 05-06-2012 @ 12:41 PM).]

DoomFrost
Clubman
(id: Cyrix)
posted 05-06-12 12:49 PM ET (US)     73 / 74       
You "pay" to get inside the community, the game is free.
Derp, if the game was free you wouldn't be requiring people to buy membership to your website in order to access it now would you? Either way I'm done, this argument is just going to keep going around in circles.

[This message has been edited by Cyrix (edited 05-06-2012 @ 12:51 PM).]

PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 05-06-12 02:38 PM ET (US)     74 / 74       
It is going around in circles. I'm closing this since there is no point in continueing this discussion further at this moment.



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