plismo
Clubman
posted 03-01-12 03:28 PM
ET (US)
1 / 18
It will depend on the map some people start with gazelles because they can get food and alot of wood. If you have the gazelles next to your base it is sometimes better to start with them and leaving 6 or 7 villagers and the rest on wood.
Granary is the safest start as you don't lose any villager I always use between 5 or 6 it is enough and sometimes 7 to speed up a bit but it will depend on your strat.
King James taught me this strat you can also put like 9 or 10 villagers on berries you get alot of food the problem is that you need to balance wood to pit.
7 Faster Tool 6 constant food and wood at the same time leaving 5 means pit faster and dock or fish shore.
Fish Shore always the best but sometimes if the fish shores are ugly spot you wouldn't go there for example only 3 fishing shores. I would probably go for 4 or 5 fishing shores; if you use 4 villagers more wood if you use 5 villagers that means you are going for a faster tool time.
I created some maps Plismo maps are not the best creative maps but good enough to learn also you can test zone2k maps are quite food to train.
Per Elephant at least 6 or 8 villagers so it doesn't rots and per gazelle I use 3 or 4.
I can do with my maps tool 8 minutes with 20 villagers in a real map you need to get at least 3 elephants and 2 herds of gazelles near and also don't forget that villagers are created faster at tool age. If you create 16 villagers you can get tool at 7 however, in a real map it is hard to get a map like that.
Sending 3 villagers per tree faster cutting so villagers don't get stuck and also don't let the villager carry 0 wood as it loses time if the tree is almost cutted send the villager to another tree. Getting pit it's ideal around 5 or 6 minutes for a fast tool for a fast bronze maybe around 4:30 minutes pit or before.
plismo
Clubman
posted 03-02-12 03:46 PM
ET (US)
4 / 18
I think you guys knows the game well, the problem you guys don't play much that is why I think your strats and ideas are fine but if you don't play much multiplayer as single players are better players than multi. However, single player shall also experiment multiplayer to be the better player than the player that just plays multiplayer.
Fish starts are only better if it's near your base and also a good spot at least 4 fishing shores, 3 is slower than berries. Starting with dock I think it's a good idea if you are going to get tool rush water is sometimes faster than land but it will depend how close you are near water and if you have some elephants to create at least some villagers even if slower than berries or fish shores. I definetely think it's a risky strat sometimes is slower because sea is far and you get animals and berries close.
I had play with Basse he is as good as most players from GR.
I think you guys shall try once again after improving yourself vs the computer. Even Thompson knows how to play but don't know how to employ it in a real multiplayer game.
Basse
Clubman
posted 03-02-12 05:12 PM
ET (US)
5 / 18
Persian pit starts are the fastest starts I think. Their hunting bonus really helps them to get a really fast tool/bronze. Even though they are quite useless in bronze :P
plismo
Clubman
posted 03-05-12 01:16 PM
ET (US)
10 / 18
Minoan, Roman, Palmyran, Phoenician and Persian can do dock starts. Probably you will need to start with gazelles the best start next to wood or 2 elephants and then build a pit next to wood. Persian is an art civilization they can fish shore quicker so basically persian can do rush sea bronze or tool or even tried iron fast and jihad. Persian's Tireme are the best through the game can stop Phoenician and Hittite.
Dock start is quite risky it's better to make a pit next to wood gather all the food around the base then make dock faster. Why dock faster? Because it gives you alot of food however, you will get less villagers and lose a bit 1 or 2.
To be strong at water with scout ships or Galley's ships I think it's better to have more villagers than more at water but if you focuse only land probably faster food like water it's better.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 03-05-12 06:34 PM
ET (US)
11 / 18
Persian trirremes have the fastest fire rate (for a trirreme), however that is some sort of handicap as they have serious lacks in other traits: they have the shortest potential range for an iron age missile ship so they can be easily outranged (and range my friends is quite an important trait in AoE), and they lack ballistics making them extremely innacurate vs fast units. Greek Trirremes can easily outrun them, Hittite war galleys greatly outrange them, and Yamato Trirremes can cause some serious damage to them. Don't get me wrong, persioan trirremes are not bad, but I can't see them as the best ones in the game.
plismo
Clubman
posted 03-05-12 07:22 PM
ET (US)
12 / 18
Range will matter if you are outnumber by Hittite so far my last games I had; I remember seeing Persian dominating sea really fast. The problem is that depending on your opponent most people does the famous bronze in 11 or 12 minutes with them. Like my master said I think it will depend on your opponent.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 03-07-12 12:36 PM
ET (US)
17 / 18
I have realized how pros switch villagers to different tasks depending on what they need most urgently, so they don't need as many villagers as the non switchers in early game stages. However I do admit that, for some reason, switch tasking villagers makes me feel very uncomfortable.
plismo
Clubman
posted 03-07-12 03:22 PM
ET (US)
18 / 18
The reason is pit it is more a risk that villager will get kill as you don't have space to run in circles unlike a TC and also at pit you can only occupy 2 elephants but yeah someone perfectly killing 2 elephants on pit and at TC could had done more food. In my opinion this strats on a real map are of a risk if you get many animals near wood then persian will get the fastest bronze in the game but risky if they build a block defense of houses and buildings tapping entrances. In a real game the fastest I'd seen with persian is 10:30 however, on this video he maded like 8:20
If it's not persian for example assyrian does between 11:40 fastest and also most civilizations does 12 and shang could do 11:50 maybe.
It takes practice it is uncomfortable they after gaming thousands of times; I think it is something for them so natural to do.