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Topic Subject:How do I stop a rush?
gammacra5
Clubman
posted 08-18-10 12:06 PM ET (US)         
Hi I enjoy age of empires but everytime I play online I get rushed. I am not a noob, I have been playing since rise of rome came out. I can win in lan matches against people I know but online I get destroyed. I know a few hotkeys and try and defend well but I just end up getting rushed all the time.

I played on garena and last game I got camel rushed, it was a 2v2 and they both went for me.

I am just annoyed because I feel that I should be better, I have played for so long and I still get owned, I have probably played well over 10000 games.

So please help how do you stop rushes lol. I'm normally very good late game it's just a rush that gets me everytime.
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Basse
Clubman
posted 08-18-10 12:30 PM ET (US)     1 / 13       
Walls or rush your opponent, or do both
plismo
Clubman
posted 08-18-10 03:43 PM ET (US)     2 / 13       
The secret only works with a good map, just put 2 villagers on wood at the start all the others on food when you reach 6 minutes you will get 500 food fast you will need to calculate to make a storage pit at 6 or 7 minutes it takes practice it doesn't matter if fish shores are kinda far from base put them there. Also wood is gather slower than food after you tool put more villagers on wood then 30% move them to food.
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 08-18-10 04:43 PM ET (US)     3 / 13       
Wall and know what counter units to use.

Move woodies to the coast to wall small choke points along the edge of the forest. That is easy to learn and do consistently. Get in the habit of having your villagers walled up, and building military outside of the walls.

If someone masses camels, build a few hoplites to take care of the situation.

Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?
Basse
Clubman
posted 08-18-10 04:48 PM ET (US)     4 / 13       
You always make everything sound so easy!
Gumble
Clubman
posted 08-18-10 08:47 PM ET (US)     5 / 13       
It IS blitzrieg. It totally depends on what map type you play. Building docks over shallows is a great wall strategey in maps like narrows.

But defending isnt exactly a winning strategy. You could try counter rushing, like in the tool age. Its hard to do but on smaller maps its quite effective.

A lot of people rush on gameranger. Its quite annoying because they arnt exactly creative players. most games end within an hour. They like to play 200 pop games on max game speed. Its nuts.

One thing you can try is being host. That way you can have every game set to your liking. If your like Gumble and can't handle let alone understand high speed 200 pop games on dial up then change the settings.

Too many people say far too much about Gumble. They also claim Gumble says far too much which isnt true.

One man's truth is another man's lie. Seek TRUTH to escape this moral mire.

'Experts' try to analyse human behaviour and the human condition and make grand conclusions. - Its the same as the guy who explains why a joke is funny and kills the joke.
Basse
Clubman
posted 08-19-10 05:45 AM ET (US)     6 / 13       
I've played games that is over in 10 minutes because of my toolrushes, though these games are only 1v1s, and if I tool rush ofcourse
plismo
Clubman
posted 08-19-10 12:38 PM ET (US)     7 / 13       
puma's strat is better he tools at 10 minutes and walls and bronze 14 or 15 minutes with 27 villagers the tournament pics shows where fier tool at 8:40 something and puma walled bronze and finished the game or you can also move villagers leave just woodies and stone on base and go outside if possible to hunt.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 08-21-10 02:39 PM ET (US)     8 / 13       
In good theory at least, turtling beats rushing....however i have never ever turtled so i have no idea if that truth. but yes walls do help, however you have to start collecting stone ASAP!.
gammacra5
Clubman
posted 08-22-10 01:03 AM ET (US)     9 / 13       
Thanks all. I prefer turtling than rushing, I really am quite slow. Can anyone give me advice on an effective defence? what am I aiming to do? keep them out for as long as possible? get archers and damage them from the inside?

Also where should I wall off, I also try and use my buildings as walls but they destroy it everytime. Also should I bother with stone walls or are they too weak. They get through very fast. Also if I build walls sometimes they simply run round them too my economy. I never have time too wall everything off.

What is the best defence? should I get towers as well?
Basse
Clubman
posted 08-22-10 04:57 AM ET (US)     10 / 13       
Walls along with a few watch towers around your camp, also try to sneak out a few villies to build new camps around the map (which you ofcourse wall in aswell).

Make some stonethrowers to kill the enemys attempts to destroy the walls. You must try to reach the iron age as soon as possible and get scythes/heavy siege up faster then your opponent.

If it is a water map, you could try to make alot of ships and dominate sea, this will make your opponent to attack your land base instead.
Gumble
Clubman
posted 08-22-10 09:15 PM ET (US)     11 / 13       
You could go babylonians or shang and have double wall hps which help in turtling. Go egypt and use priests as defence. With their bonus range it really stymies any early enemy attack strategey. Slingers with stone ming make great early defenders because they counter other archers too. Again choose maps that have natural choke points which you can wall in fast.

The key is to fast building is knowing when to stop hunting and start farming. having reveal map settings really help with those considerations.

Too many people say far too much about Gumble. They also claim Gumble says far too much which isnt true.

One man's truth is another man's lie. Seek TRUTH to escape this moral mire.

'Experts' try to analyse human behaviour and the human condition and make grand conclusions. - Its the same as the guy who explains why a joke is funny and kills the joke.
plismo
Clubman
posted 08-24-10 04:01 AM ET (US)     12 / 13       
Watch towers works well against scouts and bowman but not much against axeman and slingers, so if you get a civ that got slingers make slingers and axeman the stone better use it to wall and slingers, but all depends on how fast you can tool because if you tool 2 minutes later than his rush you are in trouble 1 minute you still can counter it or run.
If he does a 14 villager if he is so fast got a really good micromanagement he will hit tool 7 minutes I haven't tried maybe you can do 6 but I am not going there. 8 minutes with 20 villagers is possible but its hard to do it sometimes if you get bad maps not possible it will be easier with 16.

Also use buildings to close passageways, towers are good at some point.

Camels rush can be killed with your 28 villagers or 32 if they only upgrade 1 armor if they do 2 upgrades impossible make hoplites. Also alot of bowman with armor plus some villagers works well, this is something that many people online don't do and you learn it by campaign make alot of axeman and bowman with both upgraded tool and bronze armor.
It takes 3 bowman to take down 1 camel, 4 bowman or 1 calvary, slingers I haven't tested slingers hit the enemy really fast but not really effective against calvary may be some against camels it will take like 6 slingers vs 1 camel and maybe 7 against 1 calvary. Make the production advantage 5 axeman may take 1 camel down if he makes calvaries axeman doesn't works well, axeman upgraded iron age many axeman can stand some support against long swordman and have some ballista support from back.

Remember slingers comes out faster than bowman and cheaper.
If later you can upgrade to sentry towers with architecture his camels won't easily kill your towers but calvaries may be and hoplites will destroy your sentry towers and chariots because they are cheap not CA. Slingers are so effective against chariots better than bowman.

[This message has been edited by plismo (edited 08-24-2010 @ 04:09 AM).]

Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 08-29-10 03:15 PM ET (US)     13 / 13       
Wow hehe you did test this situation, eh, plismo?

There are some details there i ignored. Thanks for the input!.
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