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tiglath pileser
Clubman
posted 04-02-10 01:16 AM ET (US)         
I just discovered Age of Empires 1 and even though it is 13 years old I have been enjoying playing it. However, I am having a lot of trouble trying to beat the AI in a 1v1 random map match on Hardest difficulty. Hardest is waaay harder than Hard and I think the AI starts with extra food. Usually it reaches the Tool Age in less than 5 minutes and Bronze Age in less than 10 minutes. My regular strategy of reaching the Bronze Age as quickly as possible and attacking was pretty unstoppable against the AI on Hard but is worthless on Hardest because the AI already has a massive defensive army of Bronze Age units sitting in his base by the time I get to the Bronze Age.

What strategies can I use to defeat the computer on Hardest?
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Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 04-02-10 03:00 AM ET (US)     1 / 37       
The "Hardest" AI starts with 2000 extra of every resource, defeating it involves quite a bit of walling and stuff.

It would probably be easier to try out 2 "Hard" computers before meeting the "Hardest."

//The warrior of Isola

"I lack quotes that demonstrate Humor Intelligence or anything about me."

Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris
Basse
Clubman
posted 04-02-10 07:49 AM ET (US)     2 / 37       
What I use to do versus the hardest computer i to wall in ASAP and then hide from the computer till I reach the iron age, then the computer is quite dead, they have stopped searching for me and I can just simply kill they army of 20 men easily and then kill them. This works even with 1 vs 7 hardest computers, if they don't toolrush you before you have the walls up.
delta man444
Clubman
posted 04-02-10 09:09 AM ET (US)     3 / 37       
As you may know, there are different AIs that your enemy computer can get. Sometimes it is luck and the right civ. each time I play, the AI sends something different, like chariots+priests or catapults+short swordsmen. You have to find that out and use the appropriate measures to beat it, because an AI will almost never send more varied troops. They also have bad navies on "inland" levels, where you can defend very well sending ships upriver (If rivers are present). And, you could try something slightly easier, maybe go online and have a friend help you fight a "hardest" AI.
armyarchmage
Clubman
posted 04-02-10 09:20 AM ET (US)     4 / 37       
I also have a very hard time defeating the AI on the hardest more. I tried turtling but they are just too strong. Anyway, when I try to attack them they always have tons of monks. Is there a good way to attack them and take out their monks fast. They really get annoying.
delta man444
Clubman
posted 04-02-10 09:55 AM ET (US)     5 / 37       
the most obvious way of killing the PRIESTs would be chariots and chariot archers, because they are not easily converted by PRIESTs
Basse
Clubman
posted 04-02-10 11:50 AM ET (US)     6 / 37       
Monks are so aok... And chariots are harder to convert. If you want to be sure not to lose to many units to priests, pick macedonians, they are 4 times harder to convert
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 04-02-10 01:48 PM ET (US)     7 / 37       
the 4 times bisiness is so random. It is true that the documentation says so, but sometimes macedonians are converted so easily. also remember that ships are useful against priests.

[This message has been edited by Suppiluliuma (edited 04-02-2010 @ 01:49 PM).]

Basse
Clubman
posted 04-02-10 03:28 PM ET (US)     8 / 37       
Depends on what civ the priests belongs to. Egyptians reach longer means ships also are easily converted.
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 04-03-10 09:12 AM ET (US)     9 / 37       
Only the lower rank Macedonian units are. I don't believe that the hoppers and horse archers are so hard to convert. I lose them all the time to Minoan priests, especially the HAs.
Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 04-03-10 03:13 PM ET (US)     10 / 37       
Are you serious Peter? You know that it's pretty random right?

Playing DM I have always found Mace Armored Ellies and Centurions a lot more efficient against priests.

I wish I could run RoRD on this computer so I could check it out...

//The warrior of Isola

"I lack quotes that demonstrate Humor Intelligence or anything about me."

Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 04-04-10 06:40 PM ET (US)     11 / 37       
Well from personal experience i can tell that only Chariots and ships are as resistant as the game documentation claims, and even so from time to time one can have a one hit wonder conversion. XD
Timballisto
Clubman
posted 04-05-10 00:31 AM ET (US)     12 / 37       
I can't say much for random maps, but as for the campaigns, I know on hardest I can usually rush at least one comp with 4 bowmen or so quickly enough to disable and destroy it when starting in the stone age.

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Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 04-06-10 08:24 PM ET (US)     13 / 37       
But there's no archery range in stone age O.o
Timballisto
Clubman
posted 04-06-10 08:42 PM ET (US)     14 / 37       
Well, I go to tool first of course =P.

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singla1234
Clubman
posted 04-07-10 11:38 AM ET (US)     15 / 37       
If you set resource to high then you also get 1000 wood , 1000 food ,0 gold and 750 stone as equal to computer player.
As strategy i choose egyptian and reach for skythe chariot,
and play as hidden as possible.
Basse
Clubman
posted 04-07-10 05:58 PM ET (US)     16 / 37       
High resources could help a little, but it's still not equal as they start with 2000 of each res!

Try to reach scythes fast could be good if they won't find you. I use to play CAs + STs in bronze to rush with or if it's not possible, I use it for defence and then try to get scythes ASAP in iron.

[This message has been edited by Basse (edited 04-07-2010 @ 06:00 PM).]

Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 04-10-10 12:55 PM ET (US)     17 / 37       
also from a defensive point of viey i have realized that the mediterranean maps in which the different land masses are connected by shallows can be quite easily defended even from big "hordes".
armyarchmage
Clubman
posted 04-13-10 04:49 PM ET (US)     18 / 37       
Thanks for the info! Didn't know that about the chariots.
local boi
Clubman
(id: dragon14)
posted 04-26-10 00:58 AM ET (US)     19 / 37       
have a good economy. try to keep up with it and make small disruptive attacks.
some people go for villagers, but if your on pop 50, try being careful about attaacking villies bcuz that frees up space for military units.
i think that walls are cheating against the computer, as the comp certainly doesn't use walls. I can beat a hardest comp, but i'm not that good.

On a side note, can someone tell me how to set the pop limit to higher numbers?
i thought it was lobby 'limit=200' or something like that, but it won't work on win95 second edition.

USA
katsup or mustard

[This message has been edited by dragon14 (edited 04-26-2010 @ 01:03 AM).]

Basse
Clubman
posted 04-26-10 09:40 AM ET (US)     20 / 37       
You want to set another pop limit? In the granary there is a few utilities for that. You can change to whatever you want between 1 and 32.000 I think.
Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 04-26-10 10:56 AM ET (US)     21 / 37       
You want to set another pop limit? In the granary there is a few utilities for that. You can change to whatever you want between 1 and 32.000 I think.
32767 that is, the most recent one can be found here: http://aoe.heavengames.com/dl-php/showfile.php?fileid=2293

//The warrior of Isola

"I lack quotes that demonstrate Humor Intelligence or anything about me."

Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris
local boi
Clubman
(id: dragon14)
posted 04-26-10 08:27 PM ET (US)     22 / 37       
yes, thank you.. but. that other computer (the widows) is not on the internet, so I can't download it.
I know regedit should change the pop limit, but what was it? regedit: lobby limit=200 did not work for some reason, though now i seem to remember that the expansion couldnt work with regedit?
i just want to set the number to 200 pop like i had before

USA
katsup or mustard

[This message has been edited by dragon14 (edited 04-26-2010 @ 08:29 PM).]

conborua
Clubman
posted 05-24-10 07:27 AM ET (US)     23 / 37       
You can't believe, but i can beat 7 ai on hardest many times
c4master
Clubman
posted 05-25-10 01:04 PM ET (US)     24 / 37       
Defeating an AI on hardest is really hard. I manage to win against 4 or 5 AIs on hard, but hardest is still gambling for me. If I manage to hide until I reach bronze AND if have some civ I can play, then there is a chance for me to win a random match.
However, increasing pop limit, ressources or playing on islands is no option to me, since this makes the game considerably easier (pop limit increase would even be cheating to me since the AI still plays on pop 50 limit).

The best strategy known to me is to wall in and then strike back once you have reached bronze or iron age.

It also depends a lot on which civs are chosen. If I start with something like Carthagians or Macedonians or even Palmyra, chances to win are very near zero. If I get Romans, for example, this turns out to be much better (cheap towers, very good infantry).

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Basse
Clubman
posted 05-25-10 01:34 PM ET (US)     25 / 37       
I use to play Choson vs 7 hardest, this will give a huge advantage due to the extra tower range because the AI is appearently too stupid to research engineering...

Shang is also a good civ vs 7 hardest. Double HP walls and cheap villagers gives a huge advantage for boomers.

Also Palmy is very good because of their fast gathering. You don't need to have as many villagers to try to hide for the same effect as with another civ.
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