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Topic Subject:Age of Empires (Original)-The Overlord, King, and Giant of RTS history! Who agrees?
Budada
Clubman
posted 02-26-09 09:08 AM ET (US)         
Age of Empires is still one of the best games I've ever played. It even rivals AOE II (especially AOE III) in enjoyment (in my opinion). AOE owns for the following reasons:

1. Great Editor; you don't need an AI for the enemy.
2. Enjoyable Campaign scenarios (especially the RPGs)
3. The priests are just AWESOME
4. Tons of great cheats (much more than AOEII)
5. Historical, AND fun

The game has but one error (the other games seem to have multiple errors): too little population.

Moreover, the game is just titanically the Overlord, King, and Giant of all the RTS games. I'm giving it a rate of 97.8%. WHO AGREES??!
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Kelcin
Clubman
posted 02-26-09 10:32 AM ET (US)     1 / 25       
I do!
HMFSFM
Clubman
(id: Da KiLLeR)
posted 02-26-09 01:08 PM ET (US)     2 / 25       
I agree. And by the way, I think AoK is cool too, and AoE3 sucks, in my opinion. But AoE/RoR is the best AoE game ever made .

Killer, HMFSFM
AoE Portuguese Designer
"Combining good map design and personality since whenever it was that he exploded onto AoEH, blowing away all the known rules of designing!" - Ninetails
【► My Age of Empires 1 Projects:◄】
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MrCheeze
Clubman
posted 02-26-09 01:17 PM ET (US)     3 / 25       
Why does everyone always want super high populations?

"Mrcheeze your genius but not quite a Gumble-kind-of genius." - Gumble
"We're all friendly here except MrCheeze but he means well" - Ninetales (Not exact words)
"Gumble has no words for you, you’re boring now. -underrated- that’s a joke, Gumble is OVERSTATED." - Gumble
(Not even sure what he was saying there)
HMFSFM
Clubman
(id: Da KiLLeR)
posted 02-26-09 01:26 PM ET (US)     4 / 25       
I agree with him, the population limit is too low, it could be something like 100. And by the way, in case you didn't know, there's a population limit extender for RoR in the granary. Download it here. You can extend it to 255 maximum.

Killer, HMFSFM
AoE Portuguese Designer
"Combining good map design and personality since whenever it was that he exploded onto AoEH, blowing away all the known rules of designing!" - Ninetails
【► My Age of Empires 1 Projects:◄】
|The Adventures of Zenor 1 - The Skull of the Realm - 4.1|The Adventures of Zenor 2 - The Fall of Artratus- 4.1|
MrCheeze
Clubman
posted 02-26-09 03:00 PM ET (US)     5 / 25       
But WHY?

Also, you forgot the huge, collosal, gigantic, game-breaking error: the 1.0c save crash.

"Mrcheeze your genius but not quite a Gumble-kind-of genius." - Gumble
"We're all friendly here except MrCheeze but he means well" - Ninetales (Not exact words)
"Gumble has no words for you, you’re boring now. -underrated- that’s a joke, Gumble is OVERSTATED." - Gumble
(Not even sure what he was saying there)
HMFSFM
Clubman
(id: Da KiLLeR)
posted 02-26-09 04:17 PM ET (US)     6 / 25       
I don't have that patch installed I think, because my game doesn't crash when I save with custom population limit. It must suck anyway.

Killer, HMFSFM
AoE Portuguese Designer
"Combining good map design and personality since whenever it was that he exploded onto AoEH, blowing away all the known rules of designing!" - Ninetails
【► My Age of Empires 1 Projects:◄】
|The Adventures of Zenor 1 - The Skull of the Realm - 4.1|The Adventures of Zenor 2 - The Fall of Artratus- 4.1|
Ninetails
AoEH MMC Winner
(id: TailSpray)
posted 02-26-09 04:46 PM ET (US)     7 / 25       
I think people want a higher pop limit because it's allowed in MP and then in later games. I'm fine with 50, it adds to the challenge. Besides that, more make the game sticky and computer AI's aren't programmed for any pop limit other than 50.

Yes, I also love AoE (and RoR), and think that they're way better than AoM or AoE III, although AoK was pretty good.

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Nezon
Clubman
posted 02-27-09 02:14 AM ET (US)     8 / 25       
255 owns man.

My Projects:
|Bushido - Way of the Warrior|Assassins of Greece|

Ikeda coming soon !
Vantek
Banned
posted 02-27-09 03:34 AM ET (US)     9 / 25       
The very vanilla AoE... I actually don't like that much... Because you can't even queue units XD That is so unreal to me. Still loved the game as a kid, but it has been hard to go back to it after having used much comfier interfaces from later games (including RoR). Such extremely repetitive micromanagement is just not fun for me, I want the game to read my mind.

After queue function was added in RoR though, it really is a pretty great game. The setting and atmosphere is unparalleled, and by the way screw 3D and sick resolution, AoE's graphics are 10/10 to me. Even like, near life-quality graphics aren't better in my opinion, they're just different. Probably it's because the graphics of the time when AoE was made were my childhood, the kids of modern time will probably hate it like I hate those 4 color cyan magenta yellow atrocities from 1980s (which people who were kids at that time probably love like I love AoE). Yeah probably nostalgia is more where it's at. If I try to ignore that factor, I have to admit that compared to modern games AoE does require a bit of a leap of faith to love.

People want more pop limit, because watching 200 soldiers (which took a lot of effort to build) kill each other is much more visually compelling and satisfying than watching 50 soldiers kill each other. More than 200 however is starting to become a bit overkill in AoE in my opinion. The game is not created to handle such populations.

AoE2 was my childhood as well, I like it no less and because it has much more active multiplayer community these days, I play it much more.

Surprisingly, I also consider AoM as one of the few (four, actually: AoM, Diablo 2, Age of Wonders 2 and Medieval: Total War) games that I love even though they were NOT my childhood, because the audiovisual side of it is seriously amazing. The soundtrack contains some of the most emphatically relaxing tunes ever, and accompanied by very pretty views of things like a beach at night in the game, it has given me some very nice experiences.

EDIT: Oh wait, there's one more game that I love despite not being part of my childhood - X-COM It was made in 1994 I think but I first picked it up only a few years ago and instantly got hooked.

I wouldn't call anything the overlord and king of RTS history though. AoE is just one of the titles I love. The first RTS I ever played and loved was probably Warcraft. The RTS I play and have played the most, is probably AoC. Other than that, there's just a series of my favourite titles, let's see... Warcraft, AoE, AoE2, AoM, Seven Kingdoms, 7K2... Hmm, there's gotta be more than that! Oh yeah, This funky little game called Blood & Magic which noone has probably ever heard of... Total Annihilation... Let me check my stack of CD-s... Well, Dungeon Keeper and Commandos if we consider them RTS, and the city builders Caesar 3 and Pharaoh. I think that's it though, there's less than I thought :P

If I were forced to pick the king of RTS history, I would probably go with Starcraft, though I've barely played it at all.

[This message has been edited by Vantek (edited 02-27-2009 @ 03:52 AM).]

Nacht Jaeger
Clubman
(id: RCM7525)
posted 02-27-09 10:23 AM ET (US)     10 / 25       
In terms of gameplay/MP, no. In terms of SD, YESYESYES.

Nacht Jaeger - Ex AoEH Angel
PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 02-27-09 11:18 AM ET (US)     11 / 25       
AoE would be my all-time favorite game, and with RoR it is even better (I also find the queue function a most welcomed addition).

To sum things up: This game is so superb and fantastic that it has managed to take control of me for more than 10 years. I still play it often and like pretty much everything about it, here's my top 3 reasons why AoE pwns:

1. Scn Design - Trisolo turned the world upside down with the release of the new editor which continues to develop to this day. To me, this surpasses anything - Designers have total freedom and the possibilities are endless.

2. Nostalgia - From the first day I played the RoR trial I became addicted to it's astounishing beauty. It was the first RTS I played. I discovered Civ not long after but I didn't like it as much as AoE... Thanks to my father who sorta introduced me to AoE, he gave me a demo cd-rom and a MS home & entertainment magazine (I still own the mag, which I consider to be my most valuable piece in my Age collection). When I was browsing through the mag I suddenly saw the very first images of AoE. From there on, a whole world opened up to me. I was pretty new at CPU gaming so I found the RoR trial very challenging - the last scenario of the Punic War campaign would be my all time favorite scenario, I've spend many, many, many hours on this great map. I bought the Gold Edition on my next birthday. Even though I like AoK and AoM and have played them a lot, but they just don't have the magic of AoE.

3. Historical time period - This part of ancient history is what I personally like most. I've read the history on the civs in the manual more than a few times, and it also helps to get some inspiration for scn design ocassionally.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 02-27-09 02:07 PM ET (US)     12 / 25       
It seems like great minds think in the same ways, lol. I agree with PhatFish 100%, but in my case Historical period will be the main reason why i love AoE/RoR. Ancient History will always be my fave subject.

Also it was much more colorful than any other game after it.

A bit off topic: I just don't get why people hate AoE III that much. Okay, is way different from AoE I and II but that makes that game quite interesting to play as well (personally i find AoK to be the worst game from ES but that's not bad cuz iz my 4th favourite game, lol)
HMFSFM
Clubman
(id: Da KiLLeR)
posted 02-27-09 02:08 PM ET (US)     13 / 25       
Aoe/RoR still owns anyway

Killer, HMFSFM
AoE Portuguese Designer
"Combining good map design and personality since whenever it was that he exploded onto AoEH, blowing away all the known rules of designing!" - Ninetails
【► My Age of Empires 1 Projects:◄】
|The Adventures of Zenor 1 - The Skull of the Realm - 4.1|The Adventures of Zenor 2 - The Fall of Artratus- 4.1|
LittleFreak
Clubman
posted 03-03-09 01:10 PM ET (US)     14 / 25       
The problem with AOE 3 is that it's just such a departure. Many things I liked about the first two games aren't present at all. Where did the hunting skills go, to name just one example?

While sausages are tasty, you might cut your finger with that pencil over there.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 03-04-09 01:44 PM ET (US)     15 / 25       
Hunting skills? sorry Little freak, but what's that?

I thought people liked AoM AoEIII less because some units take more than 1 pop slot.
Vantek
Banned
posted 03-04-09 02:10 PM ET (US)     16 / 25       
That's the most absurd reason to dislike a game ever.
Fisk
Champion of AoEH
(id: Fruktfisk)
posted 03-10-09 03:41 PM ET (US)     17 / 25       
I guess that would be like getting gazelles closer to your storage pit or something? In AoE3 there is no actual resource drop off point.

//The warrior of Isola

"I lack quotes that demonstrate Humor Intelligence or anything about me."

Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris
MrCheeze
Clubman
posted 03-10-09 03:45 PM ET (US)     18 / 25       
what

"Mrcheeze your genius but not quite a Gumble-kind-of genius." - Gumble
"We're all friendly here except MrCheeze but he means well" - Ninetales (Not exact words)
"Gumble has no words for you, you’re boring now. -underrated- that’s a joke, Gumble is OVERSTATED." - Gumble
(Not even sure what he was saying there)
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 03-13-09 02:37 PM ET (US)     19 / 25       
I see the inexistence of drop sites for resources as an advantage but i guess many people don't.
jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 06-25-09 09:05 PM ET (US)     20 / 25       
My fav RTS games:
1. The Conquerors(AOK X-Pack)
2. Rise of Rome
3. Age of Mythology
4. Empire Earth(The First)
5. Age of Kings
6. Age of Empires
(That's every RTS I've every played)

ROR RULES!

BUT AOC RULES (Slightly) MORE!

"Preparation is not prevention. Just because you know what's coming does not mean you can stop it."
--Me

Something to remember: always know where you're going, but never forget where you came from.

The Age of Chivalry is upon us! Visit the only wiki devoted exclusively to Aoc:H by clicking on the preceding link. Oh yeah, and it works with the HD edition, too--just make sure to get this first.
Axoren
Clubman
posted 06-25-09 09:22 PM ET (US)     21 / 25       
ever*

[/Your Reign]
Take that, Player 2!
Gumble
Clubman
posted 06-28-09 01:43 AM ET (US)     22 / 25       
Warcraft: Orcs and Humans
Warcraft 2: The Tides of darkness
Wacraft 2: Beyond the Dark Portal
Wacraft 3: Reign of Chaos
Wacraft 3: The frozen throne
Command and Conquers: Generals
Command and Conquers: Zero hour
Age of Empires
Age of Empires: The Rise of Rome
Age of Kings
Age of Conquerers
Age of Chilvary
Age of Empires 3
Age of Empires 3: The Warchiefs
Age of Empires 3: Asian Dynasties
Dune 2000
Dawn of War
Dawn of War: Winter assault
Dawn of War: The Dark Crusade
Dawn of War: Soulstorm
Metal Knights
The Battle of Westnoth
Tremulous (Cross between rts and 1st-person-shooter)
Age of Mythology
Age of Mythology: The Titans
Starcraft
Starcraft: Brood War
Rise of Nations
Rise of Nations: Thrones and Patriots
Star Wars: Galatic Battlegrounds
Star Wars: Galatic Battlegrounds, The Clone Campaigns

Gumble has all, and Gumble LOVES ALL. Every one has its one charm and value. Gumble's eyes to not critise and judge, in his mind they all deserve his attentions.

Come on everyone, GROUP HUG FOR RTS!

Too many people say far too much about Gumble. They also claim Gumble says far too much which isnt true.

One man's truth is another man's lie. Seek TRUTH to escape this moral mire.

'Experts' try to analyse human behaviour and the human condition and make grand conclusions. - Its the same as the guy who explains why a joke is funny and kills the joke.
Suppiluliuma
AoEH Seraph
posted 07-01-09 09:10 AM ET (US)     23 / 25       
Dear Gumble:

Where are the Battle for Middle Earth games ?
jordanthejq12
Clubman
posted 07-04-09 10:03 PM ET (US)     24 / 25       
Do you refer to Age of Chivalry:Hegemony, or another title?

A NOTE: Age of Chivalry is not an officially recognized title of the genre. It is a conversion mod for The Conquerors that changes all civs in that particular game. There is a section of AOKH that talks about it.

"Preparation is not prevention. Just because you know what's coming does not mean you can stop it."
--Me

Something to remember: always know where you're going, but never forget where you came from.

The Age of Chivalry is upon us! Visit the only wiki devoted exclusively to Aoc:H by clicking on the preceding link. Oh yeah, and it works with the HD edition, too--just make sure to get this first.
Lord of the KamL
Clubman
posted 07-05-09 06:49 AM ET (US)     25 / 25       
The way the AI behaves in AoE I / RoR is funny and sometimes annoying, especially the archers. It's funny when they do all the dodging stuff and end up not firing a shot.

The other reason is, it is simple and easy to identify things. Also satisfying is the fact that you can send in a massive army right into someone's base and they are overwhelmed by the mass of units.

The AI provides entertainment when it destroys it's own base with it's HC's while you send in some HHA's or Palmryn?! KamLs.

Unlike some other games, you don't need hours to build up your town, and there's no ambiguous buildings or "in construction mode" buildings like in Empire Earth.

MP is all right except I can't figure out how to get my LAN working properly on RoR.
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