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Topic Subject:My thoughts. 1.0 - The best speed.
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 07-12-07 00:50 AM ET (US)         
Men, listen to me.
I always have been playing at 1.0 speed. Everything that units are doing is like in real life only at 1.0 speed. But that's only why I liked it when start playing this game many years ago. Nowadays more and more people play 1.5 speed at rm and 2.0 at dm. I really hate this!
I've read the article by Celestial Dawn http://aoe.heavengames.com/academy/strategy/articles/the_pros_and_cons_of_1.0_speed.shtmland I agree with him compleetly!!! A HUGE RESPECT TO Celestial DawnN FROM BLESSED_SALMON!
I am not an expert, I think that I am even not a very good player, but I find playing at 1.0 speed more interesting, because at 1.0 it becomes a FAIR game.
At the Gamespy people play at 1.0 speed. Not very often, but still play. And on the igzones nearly everyone is mad about more fast game (esp in ror cuz that slow 1.0).
I want to use every second in my game making as many clicks as I can. That important micromanagement and of course the batllefield where I have to dodge missle weapons, attack with mixed armies...
For example, I always get frustrated when have too much losses of my cavalries from compies just because we were playing 1.5 speed and I couldn't manipulate them right, and my enemy was just sitting and watching while his men were shooting very fast.
OR
for expample in DM, it is hard to control small groups of HHA shootong at cats and dodging after that at 2.0 speed. But at 1.0 it is much easier.
I call 1.5 and 2.0 "NOOB speeds".
That men that like playing at these speeds lose too many interesting and important things from the game.

U see, I was writing all that text cuz I LOVE aoe and ror, but I believe that the best game with all tricks and interesting moments is possible only at 1.0 speed.

Plz, don't shout at me =) it is just my opinion and I want to hear the same voices like mine if there are any.
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Andrea Rosa
Clubman
posted 07-12-07 05:00 AM ET (US)     1 / 26       
Good point. I've retired from multiplayer longo ago, so I'll speak only for Random Maps. I always start a RM at 1.0 speed, then I increase it to 1.5 when I click on the Iron Age upgrade. 2.0 makes the things on the screen look too silly for me, and I resort to it only when I'm clearly on my way for victory and I lose interest in the match.

About campaigns, we know that many of them require intense (or even maniacal) micromanagement, in that case playing at 1.0 is not a matter of taste, but a real necessity.
I believe that the best game with all tricks and interesting moments is possible only at 1.0 speed.
Needless to say, I completely agree with you.

Andrea Rosa
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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 07-12-07 05:45 AM ET (US)     2 / 26       
I can get along with 1.5 in SP games, but I found that was too fast when learning to play Palmy - those guys work so fast through a patch of berries that they're out of work before you can say boo. So you need more time to think where you will send them next before they have wasted lots of time idling. So, tehre's nothing wrong with 1.0 speed.
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 07-12-07 06:39 AM ET (US)     3 / 26       
Andrea Rosa thx man =) I was very glad to read such nice post =)

Palmy berry patch... yea. Once u see it, next time your vills will be standing w/o work.

But then I have a question. On igzones.com a lot of people play rm at 1.5. Does it mean that that they are not really good players?

[This message has been edited by Blessed_Salmon (edited 07-12-2007 @ 11:54 AM).]

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 07-12-07 06:57 AM ET (US)     4 / 26       
I would be careful with that kind of reasoning. At 1.0 you can get the most out of the game. I find it more enjoyable at 1.5 though, especially as I ofter play nomad starts. Nomad starts at 1.0 are really slow. Playing at higher speeds is for people with fast fingers and ditto reflexes, and who get bored easily. You just don't get the opportunity to get bored if you play at 2.0. My answer to that is, of course, if you only don't get bored at 2.0 speed, you don't really like the game.
LittleFreak
Clubman
posted 07-12-07 07:18 AM ET (US)     5 / 26       
And I thought I was the only one.

The weird thing is, that, once you play on 2.0 for a longer time period it will seem like a normal speed for you - 1.0 will seem like your units are moving unrealistically slow. If you get used to 1.0 and then switch to 2.0 they'll move so fast it will freak you out.

While sausages are tasty, you might cut your finger with that pencil over there.
Nikokol
Clubman
posted 07-12-07 10:27 AM ET (US)     6 / 26       
I always play on 2.0 speed ecept when I'm narrow in time, just like in the first scn from FoN or in Andrea's cpn for Sumeria.

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Fisk
Champion of AoEH
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posted 07-12-07 03:55 PM ET (US)     7 / 26       
I've only played multiplayer games a few times, but i'm also bored of higher speeds. I don't want to simply kill things, I want to kill things with maximum effectiveness.
The only time I've chosen to play at 1.5 speed was when I was playing Andreas Hatti campaign and got really bored of waiting for that king!

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G1ggy
Clubman
posted 07-12-07 07:18 PM ET (US)     8 / 26       
I've always played 1.5 (the sexiness speed, as I call it ). I just find that 1.0, in early stages, is so slow that you actually need to wait, even whilst constantly tasking, retasking, training, etc.
That important micromanagement and of course the batllefield where I have to dodge missle weapons, attack with mixed armies...
If you micromanage in battles you're doing something wrong. AoE isn't won like that, it's won by mass battle management - have more units, or stronger units, and send groups of 20 to destroy the opposition with. At least, that's my opinion.
RussianRoulette
Clubman
posted 07-12-07 08:52 PM ET (US)     9 / 26       
I usually play on 1.5 at the beginning, just to get things going, and then drop to 1. If I have it on any higher speeds I never seem to have time to evade attacks, and dodge ballistas.

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G1ggy
Clubman
posted 07-12-07 09:11 PM ET (US)     10 / 26       
You're not supposed to dodge ballistas. Worry about the vils, create twice as many units as the ballista kills.
Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 07-12-07 09:43 PM ET (US)     11 / 26       
G1ggy, I mean micromanaging in stone and tool.
If u wait something during the game - that means that u are doing something wrong. If nothing happens, u have to do something =) these are not my words but words of a great player Celestial Dawn.
U can make plenty of units, sending them to ballistas, although I believe dodging is better in most situations.
LittleFreak
Clubman
posted 07-13-07 06:37 AM ET (US)     12 / 26       
Also, your way of playing is just really lame. Micromanaging is way more fun than massing units.

While sausages are tasty, you might cut your finger with that pencil over there.
Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 07-13-07 10:41 AM ET (US)     13 / 26       
I like to play on either 1.0 or 1.5 speed. Most of us play on the latter, so calling us 'noobs' is kind of ridiculous, considering how many skilled and expert players play on that game speed. Many people I've played with like to start on 1.0 for 5mins, then change to 1.5 for the rest of the game. We feel that 1.5 is still acceptable.

2.0, however, is generally agreed to be 'too fast'. In fact, I refuse to play any game at 2.0 speed, specifying so in my Zone game settings. Any idiot who keeps on increasing the game speed in my games will also piss me off, and I repeatedly change it back to 1.5 to annoy him back. Even in DM, I think 2.0 is ridiculous - you can't control nothing.
StalwartUK
Clubman
posted 07-13-07 07:34 PM ET (US)     14 / 26       
1.0 is just too slow for me. To me it looks more like as if the game is in slow motion and I just don't like that feeling. 1.5 is my usual speed much of the time offline as well as always online. At 2.0 I can't issue the orders fast enough or keep track of things very well. Only time I use 2.0 is sometimes offline when not much is happening.
The Dark Archer
HG Alumnus
posted 07-13-07 08:06 PM ET (US)     15 / 26       
I call 1.5 and 2.0 "NOOB speeds".
So does that mean I'm a "NOOB"? Personally I play with 1.5 speed unless there is bad lag in which I try to speed the game up by changing to 2.0. I'm not sure if this works or not though.

The Dark Archer

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G1ggy
Clubman
posted 07-14-07 06:15 AM ET (US)     16 / 26       
Also, your way of playing is just really lame. Micromanaging is way more fun than massing units.
And way less competitive. Go figure. And your sig is getting steadily worse.
Personally I play with 1.5 speed unless there is bad lag in which I try to speed the game up by changing to 2.0. I'm not sure if this works or not though.
Actually it makes it worse, because the lagging system has to keep up even more. Again, go figure
The Dark Archer
HG Alumnus
posted 07-14-07 06:21 AM ET (US)     17 / 26       
lol. Only a silly clubber would make it worse.

The Dark Archer

"Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value." - Albert Einstein
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Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 07-15-07 04:46 AM ET (US)     18 / 26       
So does that mean I'm a "NOOB"?
Nope. That means that u can do less micromanagement during the game. I am getting a noob/rook on a higher speeds. Although u don't cuz your skills are much higher.
Also, I believe, all players can play better on 1.0 than on 1.5 or 2.0
The Dark Archer
HG Alumnus
posted 07-15-07 04:54 AM ET (US)     19 / 26       
Well I never claimed to be good at all. I'm not a MPer much anyway. In fact I have been known to play on speeds even faster then 2.0.

The Dark Archer

"Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value." - Albert Einstein
"I once met a girl who looked like a camel" - Rasteve
Death of the Morads | AoEH Design Series II | Out From the Cliffs
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 07-15-07 05:18 AM ET (US)     20 / 26       
java junkie. !
PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 07-15-07 06:12 AM ET (US)     21 / 26       
1.5 when doing RM or MP. 1.0 is a little too slow for me

Come to think of it, does anybody know a way of speeding up your game beyond the 2.0 limit?



The Dark Archer
HG Alumnus
posted 07-15-07 06:17 AM ET (US)     22 / 26       
Yep. There is a program called the speed editor. We have it in the granary and it is a must have tool if you are doing edits to the ai or per files.

The Dark Archer

"Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value." - Albert Einstein
"I once met a girl who looked like a camel" - Rasteve
Death of the Morads | AoEH Design Series II | Out From the Cliffs
PhatFish
Mr. Beta
posted 07-15-07 06:22 AM ET (US)     23 / 26       
Thanks TDA!! I didn't knew the granary had such a file This could save me loads of testing time when creating a scenario



Blessed_Salmon
Clubman
posted 07-15-07 09:16 AM ET (US)     24 / 26       
We've played DM 3v3 at 6.0 speed - that's was amazing double bull shit.
1.0 speed and I feel like watching a film, where I can manipulate the caracters =)
G1ggy
Clubman
posted 07-15-07 08:06 PM ET (US)     25 / 26       
Phatzorz: Some patches (1.0d IIRC) include upgraded speed options. I wouldn't recommend it though, because I'm not sure how you can -patch back down to 1.0c (AoE)/1.0a (RoR)
LittleFreak
Clubman
posted 07-16-07 05:31 AM ET (US)     26 / 26       
You can by making a copy of your 1.0c / 1.0a exes and replacing the patched one with it when you want to get back to the normal status.

While sausages are tasty, you might cut your finger with that pencil over there.
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