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Topic Subject:Palmy Camel & Slinger Statistics
Dean McCullough
Clubman
posted 06-21-07 10:15 PM ET (US)         
After doing some tests, I've gone through and taken a look at the effectiveness of camels vs. cavalry and slingers vs. archery...

Here's what I got, using 8 v 8 with no biases against any civ.

Camels

V-Cavalry : 4 Camels survived

V-Heavy Calvary : 1 Camel survived (barely)

V-Cataphract : Camels completely Owned

V-Chariot : 7 Camels survived

V-Chariot Archers : 6 Camels survived

V-Scythe Chariots : Camels Completely Owned

V-Horse Archers : 5 Camels survived

V-Heavy Horse Archers : 3 Camels survived

V-Elephants : What do you think

Slingers

These guys killed bows and impies without a problem, but were outright blown apart by everything else...

Conclusion: Camels are generally only helpful against bronze age units, probably not worth the cost. They are helpful against HAs if you can trap them... The HAs will go down in a few hits. Perhaps the camel isn't as bad as it is? Palmy would make very good use of it.

Slingers are useless beyond tool...
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The Dark Archer
HG Alumnus
posted 06-21-07 11:58 PM ET (US)     1 / 9       
Is that you playing against a comp or a comp against a comp?

Also unless you are Palmy your camels probably won't be as good against HHAs as they are the fastest unit in the game only rivaled by Palmy camels.

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Dean McCullough
Clubman
posted 06-22-07 07:55 AM ET (US)     2 / 9       
I against comp.

I put the archery at a fair distance as it was...

It seems that camels aren't really too awful....
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 06-22-07 11:22 AM ET (US)     3 / 9       
One of the strengths of Camels is it's training time. If you just entered Bronze and want to attack the fastest - the Camel is the fastest unit to create and start killing enemy units.

Camels are very effective when mixed with Cav and Chariot Archers. You have a very fast army for raiding mulitple opponent's economy, and can kill small-medium size enemy armies with minimal loss.

The Camel should never be the unit of choice against any Iron Age unit.

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Nikokol
Clubman
posted 06-24-07 01:18 PM ET (US)     4 / 9       
I also made some tests and found that a centurion can kill a war elephant and an Iron Age (not post-iron) centurion can kill an Armored Elephant.

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Cohort_Crusher
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posted 06-25-07 02:47 AM ET (US)     5 / 9       
Slingers are probably best for rushing, because of their attack bonus against towers and archers. They suck after tool age I think.

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Duan Xuan
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posted 06-29-07 10:06 AM ET (US)     6 / 9       
No need to think - slingers are supposed to be used only in Tool, unless you're really desperate or something. Slinger rushes are extremely common in tool rushes, and they bring down enemy forward barracks in a flash, rendering them defenceless against your rush. You must keep them out of reach from enemy axers, though.
Fisk
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posted 07-08-07 07:52 AM ET (US)     7 / 9       
fire galleys are my favourite units, i tried the same thing with them and they killed everything whitout the cleopatras barges! althoug they cannot attack a tower or any other ranged units attacking them from land...

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G1ggy
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posted 07-08-07 07:00 PM ET (US)     8 / 9       
V-Elephants : What do you think
TDA walked in and pimp slapped them?

Otherwise, your results mostly make sense, although (unless there is a bonus I can't recall) I'd have expected something closer against chariots. What civ did you do that with?
They are helpful against HAs if you can trap them... The HAs will go down in a few hits.
Key words: "if you can trap them" - That's why they are the fastest unit, AND have range.
Slingers are useless beyond tool...
IIRC, the AoE gold companion book says that (with more formal, M$ wording, but you get the idea). I would get it out and copy, but I've misplaced it. Here's what I remember it saying.
Slingers train quickly, are cheap, are are useful for defending against tool age rush attacks.
So that isn't anything new
The Camel should never be the unit of choice against any Iron Age unit.
That would apply to any bronze unit, unless you have a strong civ bonus like Assy CA fire rate (and you'd still need a lot)
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 07-08-07 08:10 PM ET (US)     9 / 9       
Btw the Palmy Slinger doesn't get any bonus, so that part of the thread subject doesn't mean a thing. I remember that the speed bonus for the Camels has been called one of the lamest bonuses in the game - so it would help if the test were rerun with non-Palmy cams to see if the speed makes a difference. Instead of the eles, set them against HCats.
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