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BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 04-28-06 06:30 PM ET (US)         
The zone is closing down AoE/RoR/AoK/AoC in June.

That will probably be it for me playing RoR any more.

Lots of players are signing a petition at http://www.saveaoe.com/to try to keep the Zone alive.

I doubt the petition will do anything, but it is probably worth a try.


Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?
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Lysimachus
Clubman
posted 05-16-06 10:22 PM ET (US)     26 / 39       
Dr. Lorenzo

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It dosen't really justify you coming to an AoE forum and telling us its time for AoE to die, especially as an outsider who hasn't been one of those keeping the game community alive. I've seen many do it, and I consider it trolling.

I wouldn't consider this quite the place for staff to enter into any controversy, but I will state that I find your post toward me somewhat insulting, disrespectful, and not understanding.

What do you know of the work I have done for the community? Seeing you're not a staff member at R&FH, you obviously would have no clue what behind the scenes work I'm involved in. I spend many hours a week trying to help keep the community alive at R&FH. Not all Angels have the same tasks. I am a content adminstrator incase you haven't noticed, and mostly work to keep data up-to-date at R&F--which can be quite tedious at times. Much of the spare time I get is dedicated to helping out at the site. But obviously that is of miniscule importance to you.

The intentions of my post seem to be completely missunderstood. I did not respond to downplay AoE and recruit new fans in any way shape or form. I simply posted to encourage the AoE fans. There is something to replace your "AoE" cravings. I'm simply sharing what Rise & Fall did for me. It helped bring me back to that old "AoE" feel I once enjoyed back in 1998. So in turn, I thought I'd share with you what it did for me hoping that it might rub off on some of you and compensate you for what some of you are considering the "End of an era" for AoE.

Please try to be careful next time in the way you come across. Thank you.


~Lysimachus - Former HG Angel for Rise & Fall Heaven || Was RaFH Game Info Admin || Proud Member of HG since 1998

[This message has been edited by Lysimachus (edited 05-16-2006 @ 10:24 PM).]

Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 05-17-06 03:27 AM ET (US)     27 / 39       
I'm sorry, but your post to me seemed like trolling. I don't care that you're staff, it dosen't give you a right to (as I saw it) come and tell us "out with the old, in with the new".

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What do you know of the work I have done for the community? Seeing you're not a staff member at R&FH, you obviously would have no clue what behind the scenes work I'm involved in. I spend many hours a week trying to help keep the community alive at R&FH. Not all Angels have the same tasks. I am a content adminstrator incase you haven't noticed, and mostly work to keep data up-to-date at R&F--which can be quite tedious at times. Much of the spare time I get is dedicated to helping out at the site. But obviously that is of miniscule importance to you.

Hence my specification that we are talking about the AoE community. I do find it of minescule importance what you do at R&F Heaven in this debate. My point was that someone who hasn't exactly helped keep AoE alive shouldn't dictate when its time for the game to die.

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The intentions of my post seem to be completely missunderstood.


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Please try to be careful next time in the way you come across.

Sorry if I sounded offensive.


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Phillistine
Clubman
posted 05-17-06 12:54 PM ET (US)     28 / 39       
Lysimachus;

Coming on to a board and telling people their game is dead, so they shouldn't bother with it anymore, is staggeringly rude and tactless. I also thought your post came across as brattish and dismissive, because it was. Even if you argue that your first post was ok, your second absolutely was not. Want to argue that one with me, or take it on board? I advise the latter.

Whatever you do on another site, or behind the scenes, is irrelevant. You don't know what any of us do either, especially where content is concerned. Perhaps you are unaware of how much content we have here? Perhaps you are unaware that when we took over the site it took 9 months for myself and Peter to revamp it? 9 months of trying to reconcile 6 different looks, multiple unfinished templates and sections and sorting out a plethora of dead links, along with the extremely time consuming process of deciding what was still relevant and what could be lost. We probably did more work in those 9 months than you have ever done in your entire time on the staff. Perhaps you are unaware of how much work we have all done over the years. Or perhaps you just open your mouth before connecting your brain. Regardless, any of my staff have done and still do at least as much as you, if not more. You're nothing special, you are just another member of staff, replacable if you don't do your job or follow the rules, as are we all, so get over yourself.

Lorenzo was perfectly within his rights to feel the way he did. Furthermore, you have absolutely no right to come here and start publicly admonishing any of my people. If you have a problem with them you come to me. Do I make myself clear?

Watch your attitude in future. You don't start acting like a brat on my forums and you don't attack my people or I'll ban you and have your head on a plate, staff or not.

Oh and BTW, EE was the true sequel to AoE. You're at the end of a long queue of standing on the shoulders of previous achievements, towards which you should show more respect, no matter how good you think your game is. Anyone can come along on an idea and improve on it.

Lorenzo, you have nothing to apologise for. Lysimachus can start whenever he is ready, and he'd better make it good because I am very, very angry. Now is when we need our staff to be cooperating more than ever. This is unacceptable.


My Karma ran over my Dogma

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[This message has been edited by Phillistine (edited 05-17-2006 @ 01:52 PM).]

Lysimachus
Clubman
posted 05-17-06 05:12 PM ET (US)     29 / 39       
Phillistine,

I do personally feel you are blowing this way out of proportion. Let us all try to remain as calm as possible.

I did not originally take Dr. Lorenzo's comment as directed toward the AoE community, solely. His comment came across to me as a personal attack in that I do nothing to help the "HG community". In other words, I thought he was attacking me that I don't do anything to contribute to the "HG community" in general. I hope you can understand how his statement could be taken that way. It's very easy to cause someone to missunderstand you if the correct words are not used. Instead of "AoE Community", he used "game community". Naturally, my response to him was based on that premise, and it hurt.

Thankfully, Dr. Lorenzo made himself clear when he further stated he was referring to the AoE community.

I apologize if I came across to you like a "brat". That was not my intention. I originally came to encourage you all, but obviously my comments were not taken that way.

I absolutely appreciate the hard work you and your team have put into AoEH Phillistine. It's more than appreciated by me as well as many others associated with HG.

Once again, my comments were based solely on the premise that Dr. Lorenzo was accusing me of contributing nothing to the "HG community" in general. I'm glad he clarified that, for which I was about to comment on.

It's all good.

And just one more thing:

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Coming on to a board and telling people their game is dead, so they shouldn't bother with it anymore, is staggeringly rude and tactless.

In my eyes, this seemed to be the emphasis of the thread coming from the AoE fans, not me. The name of the thread even states "The End of an era". Hence my response. But as I said, I apologize for my style of approach. I will admit, I am truly excited for Rise & Fall.


~Lysimachus - Former HG Angel for Rise & Fall Heaven || Was RaFH Game Info Admin || Proud Member of HG since 1998

[This message has been edited by Lysimachus (edited 05-17-2006 @ 05:56 PM).]

Rexd999AoE
Banned
posted 05-17-06 06:08 PM ET (US)     30 / 39       
I know that it is not my time or place to post, but i am going to do so anyway.

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I apologize if I came across to you like a "brat". That was not my intention. I originally came to encourage you all, but obviously my comments were not taken that way.

To Lysimachus:

This game is not dead yet. This Site alone is more than half my age. Yet i regularly play AoE. I just recently got the game. That alone should show that this game is not dead. The people who own The Zone are merely going to more profitable things, new games. However, i sincerely doubt that this Forum will ever die, and the game will never die.

I beleive that this Topic was named so because it is the end of an era. The zone is gone, or might be. That is what the thread was about. Not whether or not AoE is no longer popular.

Even if it was not your intention to offend us, you still should not have said that.

This is merely my oppinion, and on only one of the matters here. I do not agree with what you say, but I will protect to the death your right to say it.


[This message has been edited by Rexd999AoE (edited 05-17-2006 @ 06:21 PM).]

Lysimachus
Clubman
posted 05-17-06 06:29 PM ET (US)     31 / 39       
Well that is certainly refreshing to hear that the game is not dead. I wish it to live on forever. Mr. R. Goodman sure did an excellent job in creating the masterpiece that is Age of Empires.

~Lysimachus - Former HG Angel for Rise & Fall Heaven || Was RaFH Game Info Admin || Proud Member of HG since 1998
Phillistine
Clubman
posted 05-17-06 07:44 PM ET (US)     32 / 39       

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I thought he was attacking me that I don't do anything to contribute to the "HG community" in general. I hope you can understand how his statement could be taken that way.

No, because anyone with half a brain cell would realise he didn't, you were in fact the only one with that warped interpretation. Because you were more interested in having a self righteous hissy fit than recognising your own faults.

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In my eyes, this seemed to be the emphasis of the thread coming from the AoE fans, not me. The name of the thread even states "The End of an era". Hence my response. But as I said, I apologize for my style of approach. I will admit, I am truly excited for Rise & Fall.

The end of an era referred to the zone, which anyone with half a brain would realise applied to AoK as much as us. It had nothing to do with the death of the game itself.

If you can't be bothered to understand what a thread is about shut up and post somewhere else. End of. Your excuses are pathetically irrelevant. Take the point on board or get an official complaint. You will not be told again, just because the concepts of tact, subtlety, manners and representing the original point honestly are alien to you.

Your apology is accepted for now, but that is only because I am the nicest guy you will ever meet. Till you piss me off again. Then I will be your worst nightmare.

You might have been trying to encourage us by saying that later games kept the spirit but that is not how it came over. It came over as "you're a bunch of fools for still liking this game, let it go and buy an expensive new game that is yet to show it has support for it beyond about 6 months". Rick is just a salesman telling people what they want to hear, we found that out with EE, he will dump you for his next project without thinking. So don't get too above yourself, for your own sake.

Your site will be down to a few hardcores within 6 months as they abandon you and go to the next game. Will your site last 9 years like we have? No. Not a hope. Because the feature starved, 10 second attention span public won't be interested as soon as the game company ceases to support it and the next big thing comes along. You'll be down to less visitors than us within a year.

Think before you post. If you could manage to read and understand before you post, that would be good too. If that is beyond you, back off. I am not being ungenerous in the face of your apology but you will understand this. Or I will take this further.

You diss us when you have earned the right, and you're not even close. You have a shitload of respect points to rack up with me before you even qualify.


My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

[This message has been edited by Phillistine (edited 05-17-2006 @ 08:46 PM).]

Lysimachus
Clubman
posted 05-17-06 08:40 PM ET (US)     33 / 39       
No worries Phillistine, I promise I'll be more careful when I word things next time.

Do I still have to take this to the board? Or can we just let this rest in peace?

I sure hope this doesn't put a jinx in our relationship. I've never really conversed with you much Phillistine, but this is the first time I've felt the brunt of your opinion toward me.

Feel free to email me anytime if you see something I need to improve in. I don't want to wrongly represent HG in any way shape or form.


~Lysimachus - Former HG Angel for Rise & Fall Heaven || Was RaFH Game Info Admin || Proud Member of HG since 1998
Phillistine
Clubman
posted 05-17-06 09:03 PM ET (US)     34 / 39       

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this is the first time I've felt the brunt of your opinion toward me.

No, this is the first time you have met my response to ill considered ignorance, not you. Doesn't matter who says it, it's the principle of the thing.

So. Alright then. Just try to work with us and not against us and we'll all get on fine.

The loss of the zone, if it happens, could be a bad thing for AoE and AoK. However, it could also be a better thing. Gamespy hosts AoE, which technically opens it up to a bigger audience than the Zone. Since you can now pick up AoE gold for about 10 bucks maybe a lot of those guys will get into it for a bit of change and nostalgia, and you can just not use all the matchmaking stuff if you don't want to. What I am saying is don't be so dismissive before you know for sure. Because you don't know for sure.

We don't know yet what will be done, perhaps an alternate server will be found but it still runs on other servers out there even if one is not done directly by MS or ES.

Personally I wouldn't put much faith in ES because they told us they were the official site for the entire AoE series, just a few months after they had made us their official AoE community site, so their word ain't worth a fart in a hurricane. Ironically their so called community site which was apparently the replacement for us had only AoM stuff in it and now it's all AoE3, there is nothing in there for any of their earlier games, because they no longer care about those who have bought them. I wouldn't put my faith in Rick either, he deserts people as soon as they stop paying him too.

Bottom Line? It's only death if people choose to dismiss it. If they don't, we will continue. We will survive. And we'll outlive a lot of games that came afterwards, for the same reason as we always have. Because we give a shit. And fortunately there are still a few people with more than 2 brain cells to rub together who respect that.


My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

[This message has been edited by Phillistine (edited 05-17-2006 @ 09:36 PM).]

Lysimachus
Clubman
posted 05-18-06 01:41 PM ET (US)     35 / 39       
Sounds good, glad we can move on then.

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Oh and BTW, EE was the true sequel to AoE. You're at the end of a long queue of standing on the shoulders of previous achievements, towards which you should show more respect, no matter how good you think your game is. Anyone can come along on an idea and improve on it.

Just thought I'd comment on this. Although EE was a great game on its own merits, I would hardly consider it a true sequel to AoE. That is just my humble opinion of course. The feel just wasn't the same, and added to that, the ancient-time frame was severely neglected. Hardly anyone played the Prehistoric-Iron Ages, plus the quality of those ages was severely degraded due to the immense time frame the game attempted to cover. Creating a second game attempting to cover the history of man-kind is not a true sequal. It's an attempt to knock 14 birds with one stone. Playing around with Tanks, Airplanes, Copters, Submarines and Robots isn't something that's going to remind you much of AoE.

In addition to this, sequels usually pick up where previous games left off. Rise & Fall is not a sequel to AoE, but it is an attempt to get back to some of those old roots that made AoE so great. This is why we have several AoE fans developing an interest. I spoke with one R&F fan who still plays AoE--which he claims causes a severe case of "nostalgia" to come over him each time he plays.

AoE was purely dedicated to the ancient world, and R&F is the first pure ancient RTS since AoE by Rick. In my humble opinion, a remake is far more attractive than a sequel.

If you beg to differ, by all means do so. I take it there is no crime in differing with one who may have a few more wings attached, correct?


~Lysimachus - Former HG Angel for Rise & Fall Heaven || Was RaFH Game Info Admin || Proud Member of HG since 1998
Phillistine
Clubman
posted 05-19-06 09:53 AM ET (US)     36 / 39       

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If you beg to differ, by all means do so. I take it there is no crime in differing with one who may have a few more wings attached, correct?

Absolutely correct. I'm just another guy, despite my colour. Anybody is free to disagree with me, and they frequently do

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Although EE was a great game on its own merits, I would hardly consider it a true sequel to AoE. That is just my humble opinion of course.

Well, ironically Rick announced it as the true sequel to AoE, although it will remain a matter of opinion between individual players.

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The feel just wasn't the same

Lol, odd how people can end up with diametrically opposed views. To me AoK did not give me the same feel and adrenaline rush that AoE/RoR do. EE did, it was to me the game AoE could have been and the game AoK should have been. Horses for courses, I guess.

I understand what you mean about the ages thing, but just copying ages to me doesn't make a sequel either. Otherwise half the games we do sites for would be sequels to each other.

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Hardly anyone played the Prehistoric-Iron Ages, plus the quality of those ages was severely degraded due to the immense time frame the game attempted to cover

The prehistoric and stone ages are a bit of a drag, people basically use them to try and get to copper asap because that's when you start getting farms and a more interesting variety of units. I like the age progression myself and don't feel any of them are cheapened by having 14 of them (15 with AoC), but agree that the first two ages are a bit of a drag. The Space Age is a bit naff as well. They do, however, provide some good units and buildings for scenarios, something which the by and large selfish and narrow minded multiplayers overlook - they think if they can't rush with it, it shouldn't be in the game, and forget it's not just all about them.

One thing I personally like about the ages is the distinct turning points in them and how they translate into gameplay. For example, when you get the first guns and cannons, initially they are not as good as archers and siege weapons, but by the next age they decimate them, which is quite a nice way of showing how devastating these inventions must have been at the time. Similarly, with WW1 you get the first planes, and this really brings home to you how they changed the war dynamic as it makes you realise the importance of air superiority. So bits like that I think are handled very well.

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AoE was purely dedicated to the ancient world, and R&F is the first pure ancient RTS since AoE by Rick. In my humble opinion, a remake is far more attractive than a sequel.

Can be, depends on the game, its previous following and a host of other factors, but it's a fair enough POV if the support is there. Well I hope the game gets a good following and my predictions of doom and gloom don't come true. Fingers crossed.

EDIT: Typo city.


My Karma ran over my Dogma

AoEH | EEH | RoNH | IndividualsCAN

[This message has been edited by Phillistine (edited 05-19-2006 @ 10:21 AM).]

Max_CRAZY
Clubman
posted 05-22-06 02:01 PM ET (US)     37 / 39       
well there are some new sites which are going to support all aoe versions ... and the basic system will be just like zone... such as:

http://www.empireslegacy.com(the programmer ideia looks amazing)

http://www.vetev.com

llavero90
Clubman
posted 05-27-06 01:29 PM ET (US)     38 / 39       
Hi! I am a relatively new member in the community and I really love Age of Empires.
I never played it online, however.
A few days ago, when I finally sign in the zone, I read the bad news.
I will sign the petition, and I really hope this helps.

Forgive my English
je je!

P.D.: Number 8331 in the petition.

[This message has been edited by llavero90 (edited 05-28-2006 @ 05:52 PM).]

The Dark Archer
HG Alumnus
posted 06-02-06 07:33 AM ET (US)     39 / 39       
I've been meaning to post some replies for a while but all I've done is lurk. I finally signed the pentition as number 8378 although I see they have already started to get rid of RoR rooms. Well I've downloaded XFire and will probably get a few more yet before I find one I like but I have to start somewhere. Now on to the many other threads I have been meaning to post in.

The Dark Archer

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