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Topic Subject:Hello all - I'm new here - Multiplayer question.
speedydonkey
Clubman
posted 07-26-04 07:27 AM ET (US)         
Hi! I'm not entirely new to the game, as Iíve had I several years ago. Iíve unfortunately lost the CD since then. I just spoke to a friend who got the AOE - Age of Kings. Suddenly I got an urge to purchase a copy as well. My questions are:

1) Does AOE - Age of kings support multiplayer

2) We are not planning to move the computers to the same location, which means that we'll have to play online. The easiest way would be for me to type is IP number in the game and connect to a game that he is hosting, is that possible?

3) Im unfamiliar to this whole "Zone" thing. Does it cost anything? Is it complicated and so on.

Thanks for reading this, any help appreciated!


/Speedydonkey

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Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 07-26-04 07:32 AM ET (US)     1 / 20       
Both AoE and AoK support multiplayer. AoE supports up to 8 players.

You can join or start an AoE game by IP address, or even from within MSN. For AoK questions go to AoK Heaven

The Zone costs nothing, you just download the software and off you go. It mostly sets itself up too but if you have any problems you can always ask here.


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speedydonkey
Clubman
posted 07-26-04 07:43 AM ET (US)     2 / 20       
Hello and thanks for the quick reply.

Oh so this forum is strictly for Age of Empires 1. What I'm looking for is Age of empires 2 Aka Age of kings? Both are standalone games?

I'm glad to hear that joining by IP works fine and dandy. Oh and what do you mean with msn? The messenger or the website www.msn.com?

Btw, thanks for the link! I'll check it out.

Oh and one more thing, what price would you consider acceptable for AOE: Age of Kings, just so that i don't get ripped off.

/SpeedyDonkey

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 07-26-04 07:48 AM ET (US)     3 / 20       
By MSN I do mean the messenger yes.

No, AoK and AoE do not work with each other at all, even though AoK is also known as Age of Empires 2. We are currently putting together some FAQs because we keep getting asked this, but there is zero connection between the games except for their names.

I don't know where you live and so don't know what a good price is there. Best advice is to look at what they are charging for it on Amazon for your part of the world and then that gives you a ballpark figure. Anyone wanting more is ripping you.


My Karma ran over my Dogma

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speedydonkey
Clubman
posted 07-26-04 07:59 AM ET (US)     4 / 20       
Ok well msn thing sound really promising. Is there a tutorial for it or will it automatically popup in the messenger program when both users have AOE installed?

I live in Sweden, but info in any currency is ok since it can easily be converted.

I found this: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00002NDRY/qid=1090843166/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-1253664-1098256?v=glance&s=software&n=507846

So $14.88 it is.

/Speedydonkey

Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 07-26-04 08:25 AM ET (US)     5 / 20       
Uh, I recommend you forget about launching any CD-based game from MSN messenger. I've tried playing RoR with Dangrimm and Phill (and maybe a few other people too) but I've never once succeeded. It's just a pretty useless eye-candy feature that has a high possibility of not working. Just use IP. It doesn't take a lot of time to set up anyway. Theoretically though, yes, it's supposed to work.
speedydonkey
Clubman
posted 07-26-04 08:41 AM ET (US)     6 / 20       
Oh okay, now i know

/SpeedyDonkey

Wise_Max
Clubman
posted 07-26-04 12:09 PM ET (US)     7 / 20       
Hey!...

For both games (and BOTH are worth it!) buy the GOLD edition, that brings the game AND the expansion.

The AoE I box sould bring the game Age of Empires and the Rise of Rome expansion.

The game AoE-II should bring Age of Empires - II "Age of Kings" and the expansion, "Age of Conquerors".

They are still mighty good games!

AoK/AoC is still very impressive and has quite challenging A. I., if you play 3+ Computers on hard.

However, in the Zone (http://zone.com, the current strategy for AoC is Feudal rush with Huns, which is overwhelming in the hands of good micro'ers... The A. I. can't cope well with a Scout or Archer Rush - but it's a tottally different game with Humans The games on the Zone (at least in 1x1) are based on Feudal Rush with counters (Spearmen and Skirmishers), Scout rush also with Huns (and Turks, for the bold guys).

Have fun!...


Wise_Max is the slowest player on Earth.
But Wise_Max has a lot of fun playing. So, he always wins even when he loses the game. And he made Friends.
Is that Wise or what?...

[This message has been edited by Wise_Max (edited 07-26-2004 @ 12:18 PM).]

Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 07-27-04 01:36 AM ET (US)     8 / 20       
Welcome.

Duan, I've often had the Zone IP thing work - are you using a firewall or something?


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Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 07-27-04 03:24 AM ET (US)     9 / 20       
No, I'm saying that starting RoR or AoE from MSN Messenger doesn't work. IP works perfectly fine.
speedydonkey
Clubman
posted 07-27-04 06:11 AM ET (US)     10 / 20       
Hi all, and thanks for replying.

I have a feeling that most Zone players are really good and experienced. It would probably take me + my friend vs one "regular" player for us to even have a chanse over at the Zone.

Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 07-27-04 06:37 AM ET (US)     11 / 20       
I'm not sure about AoK/TC, but for AoE, half of the players are easily beatable. Yes, and I've only been playing the game since last December, and on the Zone since March. A lot of players of average and below standard don't play with better players and stick to their "rooks only" rules and will boot you even if you are a low inter. They don't rise much above their standard and so their skills just stay there. There's a huge gap between good and average players on the Zone.

My guess would be that the standard for AoK is higher. That's because more people play it everyday (at least twice the number compared to AoE?) and if I'm not mistaken, many still play in rated games, which are highly competitive. So, yes, I'd say that AoK players on the Zone are probably very, very good.

Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 07-27-04 07:22 AM ET (US)     12 / 20       

Quote:

No, I'm saying that starting RoR or AoE from MSN Messenger doesn't work. IP works perfectly fine.

Sorry, garbled myself. What I mean is that MSN launch often works for me.


DR LORENZO
AoEH | Woad Creations Alumni
I of course meant bastard in a positive way! - Kor
I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
speedydonkey
Clubman
posted 07-27-04 02:07 PM ET (US)     13 / 20       
Hi a small update.

I downloaded a demo of AoK. I also sent it to my friend. We tried to launch it through msn, just to see if it works. And i did work! I had to work so we never got to play a game yet. But we will soon.

Now, what tactic should i use? Build shitloads of workers and stack up resources

or do a suppires attack as soon as possible?

Bear in mind that both players are "Newbies"

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 07-27-04 02:13 PM ET (US)     14 / 20       
Look at the strategy sections and forums at AoK Heaven and ours for AoE. A lot of good players have shared their insight on both Heavens.

My Karma ran over my Dogma

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Dangrimm
Clubman
posted 07-28-04 05:43 AM ET (US)     15 / 20       
OK, this is maybe OT or something, but im just doign this for speedydonkeys advice. The rooks on the zone playing aok/aoc always feudal rush with counter units, yes, but thats because they thinks its unbeatable---this is 100% wrong!

If you suspect your opponents is going to flush (feudal rush) you, then go fro men-at-arms as soon as possible. Once you have about six, wait for the sucker to harrass your villagers, then set your men-at-arms on them and chase them back to their base. If they start killing off your men-at-arms, then by all means retreat ,and build the counter to the units they are killing you with. Of course, you are going to have to predict in the early dark age whether your enemy is a flusher. Often, I will just go a good infantry civ. straight off, like japanese, yes, they will mock you, but just wait till they see your army of m@a (men-at-arms) waiting at their doorstep with +25% attack speed. If you want to go men-at-arms, start mining gold in the late dark ages, so that your surplus is sufficient for a strong rush, and hopefully a decent castle age time. Men-at-arms by themselves, after the element of shock is gone, can be weak on their own, so just toss in a few skirmishers to handle the enemy ranged units that dance out of your way.

The next solution--IMO less effective, but probably more widely used, is the FC (fast castle), this involes holding off your opponents flush until you hit the castle age, and pulverise him with knights, rams, swordsmen, you name it.

Well, I hope that helps you a little, and you may be able to give me a thrashing some time on the zone, im ANZAC_slippery.

speedydonkey
Clubman
posted 07-28-04 07:30 AM ET (US)     16 / 20       
Hi, and thanks for sharing ideas and tips!

Well what I did was that I collected as much resources as possible. I build more workers every time I had a possibility to do so. I even sent some people to places outside my camp, to collect food and sheep. I was able to upgrade everything faster then my friend. He made a small attack which I killed off. Then, realizing how small resources he had (he had wasted everything on a gigantic wall) I made an attack with ground units and ships. And I won =)

That's my little story. I realize that playing online on the zone will be tougher!

Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 07-28-04 07:35 AM ET (US)     17 / 20       
Yes, I can see that you're on your way to becoming better. That is exactly what you should be doing in mid-game. It's the same for all of the Age games: AoE, AoK, AoM. As long as you can afford a new TC (Town Centre), gather resources all over the map.

Your victory over your friend is a good start, but I can assure you that the Zoners are tough ones. To win you need to perfect your timings (age-advance faster) and be able to handle flushes (or tool rushes for AoE and Classical rushes for AoM). By the way, may I refer you to AoKH. It's the official forum to discuss about the game anyway, and I'm sure the folks over there will be more than happy to give you tips and advice.

I got a lot of help here in AoEH and I rose to become a good rook in just a few months' time. I'm sure the AoKHers will be able to help you out for AoK too. Good luck for the game.

*edit* Here's a link to the welcome thread in AoKH. I think it's quite useful. I'll be visiting there when I get the game too at the end of this year. We'll see...

[This message has been edited by Duan Xuan (edited 07-28-2004 @ 07:38 AM).]

Dangrimm
Clubman
posted 07-30-04 03:44 AM ET (US)     18 / 20       
Quote: To win you need to perfect your timings (age-advance faster)

Sorry, DX, but I gotta diagree with you on the age-advancing thing, although in aoe it plays a vital role in your survival, it doesnt factor as much in aok/aoc, you can have an age time slower by even up to 5 mins or so- Ive feudal aged far slower than quite a few of the opponents I have beaten, the reason beign that the town center defense and all the other easier-to-defend stuff allows much more flexibility in age timing, but puts more emphasis upon micromanagment and using the counter units.

[This message has been edited by Dangrimm (edited 07-30-2004 @ 03:47 AM).]

Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 07-30-04 04:26 AM ET (US)     19 / 20       
Ok, well, you should be right there. I've only played the demo, not enough for me to comment much on winning. What's more, I find playing against the CP pretty challenging too.
Dangrimm
Clubman
posted 07-30-04 05:51 AM ET (US)     20 / 20       
Yeah, the CP is actualyl pretty formidable on hardest, I can beat a hardest comp, but it could be different if the a.i was smart enough to stop moving its units and attack mine. Also, those .ai's are nothing, once you get the conquerors, patch it and look around aok heaven, theres a couple a.i's, swan, and cosmos, i tihnk, htose two can equal me until late castle ,where they boom and overrun me, and im not a bad zone player IMO.
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