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DocRobert
Clubman
(id: King Bob VI)
posted 07-15-04 07:30 PM ET (US)         

Hello, I've been playing AoK for quite while and I frequent the AOKH forums. A few days ago, I downloaded the RoR trial version just for something different, and I found it pretty fun. I've learned from experience that HG game sites are some of the best on the web, and I've heard that AOEHers are some of the nicest people on HG, so I thought I'd ask some questions here.

1. What is the most widely used civilization on the zone?
2. Are there any strategies I should know about that are used a lot?

Right now, I'm having some fun on the First Punic War Campaign, and it's pretty tough.

It's appreciated,
Thanks.

[This message has been edited by King_Bob_VI (edited 07-18-2004 @ 00:40 AM).]

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FireLegion_56
Clubman
posted 07-15-04 07:38 PM ET (US)     1 / 16       
Hi King. Aoe and Ror are good games. They will never died (only the players).

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1. What is the most widely used civilization on the zone?


Depends on waht type of game your playing. If legion war you use Roman or Choson.

Archer war = Assyrain and all good arecher civs.
Also depends on what your comfatable with.
There is no good civ. Cause each has its own special things. exmplae: Shang has faster villagers while Choson has good legions and towers.

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2. Are there any strategies I should know about that are used a lot?


Well. Build lots of proudce buildsing (eg stable,tower center) as yuo can create more units quicker that way.
2: You need lots of villes (villagers)
3: Rusher are were people go real quickly and attack your base.
4:Painting means building near enemy tower centers.
5:Build a mass base and take up much of the map you can.


tip:After you won or lost a game online stuide the map. You might learn something. Also they play 200 pop online.

I hope that was helpful.


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DocRobert
Clubman
(id: King Bob VI)
posted 07-15-04 08:48 PM ET (US)     2 / 16       
Thanks, and im no stranger to Age games so I know that no civ is the best, I was just wandering if there is an overall dominant one like in AoK (the huns are used 75% of the time online)
Are there any specific fast tool rushes? (equivelant to an AoK flush?)
Dangrimm
Clubman
posted 07-15-04 09:29 PM ET (US)     3 / 16       
1. What is the most widely used civilization on the zone?
2. Are there any strategies I should know about that are used a lot?


Answer to 1:
For random maps, out of experience, I'd say shang and assyrian are probably used the most, pretty much because most people play hill country and other land maps.

On sea maps like medit and conti, the minoans, hittites and occasionally yamato and shang are dominant.

In regular death match, I think hittite are used the most, because of their 200% siege hit points, and their brilliant archers.

In foot war death match, I think choson are used most thoroughly because of their tower range and powerful legions, and also romans because of cheap towers, and 33% faster attacking legions.

Overall ,on any map, i'd have to Hittite are the most versatile, their ships have good range +4, their siege is probably the best in the game, and in the late game, their archers are only rivalled by the fast firing assyrians.

So if your looking for a civ to start off on, hittite is probably the way to go, because you can choose them for almost any map and go pretty well with them.

Answer to 2:
Firelegions got it pretty much summed up. The most common strategy used by newbies-inters is probably the fast bronze, a bit like a fast castle in aok, except much more risky ,due to ungarrisonable TC's, so the players just ban tool rushing, which in my opinion, is utter crap because it just means the player cant handle it.

Inters-Experts tend to go more towards tool rushing with armored clubmen/axemen and sometimes slingers, so watch out for them.

Water maps, try Blitz's strategy, its probably the best around.

Good luck ,and I hope to see you on the zone!

Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 07-16-04 03:57 AM ET (US)     4 / 16       
Welcome, King Bob. You're an AoKHer, no?

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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 07-16-04 04:08 AM ET (US)     5 / 16       
Welcome, King_Bob. I suggest you visit the Academy and look at the multiplayer strategy section there; that will tell you a lot.
Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 07-16-04 04:36 AM ET (US)     6 / 16       
Hi KingBob. Welcome to AoEH. Glad to hear that you're enjoying the demo, but the full game's definitely much more fun. Regarding the two questions you asked, I'll try to answer.

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1. What is the most widely used civilization on the zone?

Widely used civs on the Zone would be Assy, Hittite and Yammy. I'll only talk about RM here, since I never play DM. The few map types that Zoners play these days for RM are hills (most popular), continental (next popular), inland, mediterranean (I'm a fan of it ), islands and very rarely the others. For hills, Assy(rian) is the most commonly used civ. Their archer units all have +40% firing rate, and although they do not have many archers like improved and composite bowmen, elephant archers and heavy horse archers, they do have chariot archers. CAs are the most commonly used unit in RM hills, used so often that it sort of becomes boring and I seldom play hills anymore. For conti, there're quite a lot of varieties and possibilities. Most games I've played for conti so far are random civs, so you'll have to try to use whatever you got, good or bad. Yammy is common because they are fast (fast villagers) and are pretty good on the sea with extra ship hit points. On medit, Minoans are popular because they have cheaper boats, making them fast on water maps. Hittite is also popular because they have +4 ship range and +1 ranged attack (ships and archers).

If you ask me, I'd say Hittite is the strongest civ in the game. They don't have economy bonuses, but without any handicaps, they start games pretty fine. When they get to Tool, they have bowmen that have 4 ranged attack instead of the usual 3, making them rather difficult opponents to rush. On the sea, they do well too as their ships also have the +1 attack. In Bronze, their advantage increases as they get chariot archers and more techs. They become deadly in Iron age, where their real power becomes almost unstoppable. I once lost a medit game which I was clearly winning (as Minoan) to a Hittite player who Ironed. Minoan compies are dead meat against Hittite HCats. Yes, Hittite has double siege weapon hit points and they don't lack any Iron age tech, making their units very strong. If gold runs out, they still have the scythe chariot which makes them gold-independent even in Iron. You will find it hard to get a comfortable lead in the game once your Hittite opponent gets to Iron. At least, that's my experience.

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2. Are there any strategies I should know about that are used a lot?

Yes, there are plenty of strats out there. They're mainly tool rushes (equivalent to your AoK feudal rush) or booming strats where the real action comes in Bronze.

On hills, most people go for a "normal" boom and fight in Bronze with CAs. This basically involves booming to 28 villies, reach Tool in 11min and Bronze in 13min, research the wheel at the market and pump out CAs like a madman. Yeah, it's like that 50% of the time I've played. Pretty boring, I agree.

On conti, there're lots and lots of strats used. As I'm still not very experienced in these map types, I'm probably not in a good position to comment about such strats. I'll leave it to JK_Daddy or Blitz to elaborate on them. All I can say is that you either boom and fight in Bronze or Tool rush with clubbers. The latter can get very exhausting, and the fight never seems to stop.

I'm more experienced in medit (though I can't say that I'm good at it yet ) and there're mainly two approaches to it. The first one is for people who play more land maps than medit maps. These people don't seem to understand the importance of the sea and go for land food sources. These are also the people who are unlikely to be winning here. I own 99% of such players on medit. The other 1% which I lose is because I have to go off for dinner. Anyway, the other strat is the more "proper" one which I learnt from medit master Blitz. It involves booming on the sea, fighting hard and winning the sea, and outbooming your opponent in the Bronze age. This gives you an overwhelming advantage. With a gigantic econ, nobody can stop you from winning.

I don't play other map types and I won't be covering them. I doubt many people play them anyway. So... yeah, that's about all I have to say. Hope that it was of some help.

PS. Do go get the game.

DocRobert
Clubman
(id: King Bob VI)
posted 07-16-04 08:19 AM ET (US)     7 / 16       
Welcome, King Bob. You're an AoKHer, no?
Yep.

I might get the game since it's only $10 at Wal-Mart for the Gold Edition.

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 07-16-04 08:29 AM ET (US)     8 / 16       
What? $10 in the US? Over here in the Netherlands we pay half of that in most stores.
Dr Lorenzo
AOEH Seraph
posted 07-16-04 08:36 AM ET (US)     9 / 16       

Quote:

AOEHers are some of the nicest people on HG

Oh, you got that right. Dangerous when provoked, however.


DR LORENZO
AoEH | Woad Creations Alumni
I of course meant bastard in a positive way! - Kor
I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
Czech Centurian
Clubman
posted 07-16-04 03:44 PM ET (US)     10 / 16       
Maybe a little ecsentric.

Czech Centurian
"Most Checks are written, I'm a Czech that was born."

Save Water, Drink Beer

BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 07-16-04 06:14 PM ET (US)     11 / 16       
You used to be able to view Zonewide details in a player profile on the Zone to see the Zonewide total number of games for each civ in rated games played.

Top used civ was Hittite and least used civ was Babylonian.


Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?

[This message has been edited by BlitzkreigComin (edited 07-16-2004 @ 06:42 PM).]

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 07-16-04 06:19 PM ET (US)     12 / 16       
What, not Greek?
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 07-16-04 06:51 PM ET (US)     13 / 16       
Greek gets played a lot in DM because of the Iron Seige Workshop. Helos and Heavy Cats with all Government Center upgrades.

Can you survive the Blitzkrieg?
Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 07-17-04 09:10 AM ET (US)     14 / 16       
Greeks suck at RM though. I panic sometimes when I get them for random civs in good player games. I've never won a single game with them before, to be honest.
Dangrimm
Clubman
posted 07-18-04 04:13 AM ET (US)     15 / 16       
Greek in RM are crap, yes, but if you can rush your opponent with those speedy hoplites, or with slingers/axemen then they are ok.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 07-20-04 10:13 AM ET (US)     16 / 16       
First, a few definitions.

CAs - Chariot Archers, fast cheap and ranged
compies - Composite Bowmen, powerful when massed
STs - Stone Throwers, vulnerable but useful siege weapons
HAs - Horse Archers, higher faster stronger than CAs
cats - Catapults, not trained lions
helos - helepolii, giant crossbow-like siege weapons
AEs - armored elephants, slow but tough
EAs - elephant archers, also lasts forever

1. What is the most widely used civilization on the zone?

These are for RM, I'll let others explain DM.

1. Hittite - great STs, good CAs, great warships
2. Shang - very fast on any map, versatile bronze
3. Yamato - fast on any map, good boats and cavalry
4. Assyrian - fast on any map, good CAs
5. Minoan - fast on water maps, good boats and compies
6. Roman - fast on any map, good tool+iron, weak bronze

2. Are there any strategies I should know about that are used a lot?

Again, for RM.

CAs are by far the most widely used military unit.

1. boom - berries first, fishing boats from 2-3 docks, scout ships in tool, CAs+STs or compies+STs in bronze.

2. bronze rush - berries first, 20-28 villies in stone, bronze quickly and make CAs, cavalry or camels.

3. tool rush - berries first, 16-20 villies in stone, make clubbers/axers or slingers or scouts.

Counters (you will need this too)

Slingers do counter bowmen, but mostly just replaced them.

axers - bowmen, slingers or walls
slingers - axers or cavalry
bowmen - towers or slingers
scouts - bowmen, slingers or walls
towers - slingers, STs, hoplites
ultimate tool counters: bowmen, slingers
ultimate tool unit: slingers

Camels and slingers were supposed to counter CAs, but both are ridiculously ineffective at it.

compies - cavs or STs (cavs work under 20 compies)
CAs - bowmen, compies or HAs
camels - bowmen, compies or CAs
cavs - camels, CAs
STs - cavs, camels
ultimate bronze counter: compies, camels
ultimate bronze unit: compies

Scythes were supposed to give chariot races a chance in iron but are seriously overpowered, as if those civs didn't do well enough with chariot archers already.

scythes - towers, centurions, AEs
helos - cats, compies, scythes, elephant archers
HAs - towers, helos, scythes, elephant archers
cats - scythes, AEs
legions - helos, centurions
centurions - helos, HAs
ultimate iron counters: centurions, EAs
ultimate iron units: legions, cats


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