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Topic Subject:Ruins... have you tried to win with them?
LinkTheBrave
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posted 10-29-03 07:39 PM ET (US)         
The topic says it all. Have you ever tried to win a ruin victory? I haven't, as it doesn't seem practical to hold scattered locations. I use them to force the enemy's hand, but I never seriously expect to win.

What about you? Have you ever won with ruins? If so, tell us in detail. Have you ever lost to a ruin victory? Tell us in greater detail. Have you ever gotten mad at losing to ruins and banged your head on the monitor? (Okay, maybe we won't go there )


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Dr Lorenzo
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posted 10-29-03 11:40 PM ET (US)     1 / 23       
Once I won a ruin victory by building tons of little forts everwhere. It was quite pathetic

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CenturionZ_1
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posted 10-30-03 04:52 AM ET (US)     2 / 23       
I've accidentally won with Ruins in a 1v1 DM before. I was searching for my opponent last town trying to find where he was annoyingly hiding his villagers, all the time unaware that I had all 5 ruins under my control because I expanded so much.

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Joecool1
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posted 10-30-03 07:51 PM ET (US)     3 / 23       
Back in my Junior High glory days, when I was palying on our school's network every day, there were at least four times i can remember when I lost to relic victories. The only time I've ever seen a ruins victory was against a computer, and I've used these many times since even a "hardest" computer doesn't seem tor ecognize ruins and won't come after you when you capture them.

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FireLegion_56
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posted 10-30-03 10:02 PM ET (US)     4 / 23       
That shows a few maskites in the AI joe.

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Dr Lorenzo
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posted 10-30-03 11:39 PM ET (US)     5 / 23       
The computer are always finding them by accident.

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Adamant Hoplite
Clubman
posted 10-31-03 06:36 AM ET (US)     6 / 23       
I won by Ruins and Artifacts - several times. All against the computers.

Once, when I was playing with the original AoE Demo, I was double-teamed, and I lost most of my city. Another player had gotten hold of all the artifacts. Player 3 then was gone, since he/she had other things to do, so I thought I'd sneak in a Scout and a Transport to capture all the ruins, and put the transport in the middle of the sea. Too bad - my scout was decimated by the oncoming cavalry.

I lost that one as well.


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Labiennus
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posted 11-01-03 03:04 AM ET (US)     7 / 23       
The only time I lost because of ruins was a combination of trying to do too many things at once, and I'll be honest here, too much of the old black rum, that made me forget to send out a horseman to play "tag the ruin". Unless you do like the good Doctor noted and build a fort around each one, all a person needs is one cavalryman to whiz in your soup. I have beat the ai with ruins, but that was in games that were already won, I just hadn't been able to find the last coupla enemy units to formally eliminate them.

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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 11-01-03 04:29 AM ET (US)     8 / 23       

Yes, I've had one ruin victory in AoE trial. Online. Multiplayer. It was a fluke though, since on the multiplayer rumble map the ruins can be walled off and defended without either controlling the whole map or holding totally separate forts.
 
I've also had some artifact victories back in those days, including once where I would otherwise have lost. Miserably.
 
The ruins stay yours so long as you have a living unit close by, same as artifacts. It wouldn't take much to stop a scout, or even one cavalry or camel, but it's better to put a pack of units, and some walls, and keep adding static defenses for as long as possible. Some mobile (and suicidal) anti-siege units are helpful as well.


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FireLegion_56
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posted 11-03-03 01:59 PM ET (US)     9 / 23       
Well. I haven't played on the net lately. But play radom mpas. Whon that.

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GreatWizard
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posted 11-03-03 05:29 PM ET (US)     10 / 23       
I used to play a lot of 3v3 tiny map standard victory with a couple of English guys. If artifacts appeared in the game we would always grab the nearby ones to keep from losing on an artifact victory. If the other side was not as diligent we would eventually accumulate all of the little buggies, and, yes, we would occasionally win that way. Usually though we won with towers and slingers in games that never, ever made it to Bronze Age.

When I practice against the computer, I play 1 versus 7 on hard, I take Babylonian and do not build any army. I rush to Bronze and start building those double hit point towers, first in self-defense, but then offensively on my nearest opponent's stone. Eventually I have gangs of tower building villagers roaming the map towering up all of the stone, at least two towers per pile. As you all know, the dumb AI then sends villagers to try to bone down the towers and they all die. I build a new town center and steal the stone. By the end of the game I have usually mined all of the stone on the map. With this strategy I often win with the ruins and sometimes also have the artifacts. It is too tedious to roam the map building a ballista tower near every enemy building so I often just fool around building stuff and watching the clock run down.

In a somewhat related note, I have played 1 v 7 on tiny map where every single piece of wood on the map has been used.


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peter
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posted 11-03-03 05:48 PM ET (US)     11 / 23       
I did that trick with Babs one or twice - it works fine but the bad thing is - it gets boring and I sometimes have a pang of my conscience telling me it's not fair to exploit the AI's shortcomings that brazenly.
GreatWizard
Clubman
posted 11-04-03 01:24 PM ET (US)     12 / 23       
Well, Peter, I agree that exploiting the known weakness of the AI is a little lame. But on the other hand, I know I can get to Bronze way faster than the AI and it also seems a little lame to send chariot archers around to the AI settlement and waste the computer civilization that way. At least this way it is mano a mano (or villager a villager if you will).

This is obviously only practice and I do admit to enjoying the spectacle as that gang of bone wielding villagers emerges from the dark of the unexplored regions of the map like so many zombies in the night of the living dead. They gather at the base of the towers and thrash away. It is all just good clean fun.


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FireLegion_56
Clubman
posted 11-04-03 02:08 PM ET (US)     13 / 23       
I usally play as the romans. Cuase the get half cost of buildings. Usllay when im in the tool age. I have 20 villages at least. Then build ten more. And a small army. And conuqer all of the map with the small army.

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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 11-04-03 02:18 PM ET (US)     14 / 23       
Of course, GreatWizard. I agree with you there. It's why I prefer to win by building a wonder. I don't have to rout every other civ around that way.
Labiennus
Clubman
posted 11-04-03 06:54 PM ET (US)     15 / 23       
At least ROR is better than the pure AOE in some respects. With AOE you had to destroy every single freaking mud hut to get rid of them, but with ROR once all the units and the buildings that can produce units are gone, it's over.

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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 11-05-03 04:21 AM ET (US)     16 / 23       
You're wrong. I bet you mix it up with AoK or yet another sequel.
Dr Lorenzo
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posted 11-05-03 11:41 PM ET (US)     17 / 23       
Not even AoK operates like that.

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Labiennus
Clubman
posted 11-06-03 00:58 AM ET (US)     18 / 23       
Hmmm. (unscrews top of head, allows the bats to fly out of there) I thought the huts didn't have to be leveled, but I'm still a rook. I get the age games confused. Admittedly, I have tendency to leave my land forces on autopilot when the end is near and focus on the next enemy. By that I mean, since cats tend to smash everything on their own if you let them, once I'm to the point where all there's left to do is smash the remaining buildings I leave the cats alone. Thus I'm not usually there at the bitter end. And of course when the final enemy is gone, you can't survey the field. I hope that made sense
As far as AOK, the AI will capitulate with some of the infrastructure intact.

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Dr Lorenzo
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posted 11-06-03 01:08 AM ET (US)     19 / 23       
I love a game that has rooks

I am still a rook after 2 years


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I of course meant bastard in a positive way! - Kor
I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
LinkTheBrave
Clubman
posted 11-06-03 10:23 AM ET (US)     20 / 23       

Quote:

Not even AoK operates like that.

Actually it does. When all means of production are stopped, the decimated player loses. His houses, towers, fishing ships, walls, mills, mining/lumber camps, and sheep don't need to be destroyed.

But this is AoEH, and I have a feeling that if we discuss AoK too much more, the mods are going to ask us to stop.

Maybe I can start a similar thread at AoKH. *considers it* On second thought, no. Stevay would jump all over me.


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[This message has been edited by LinkTheBrave (edited 11-06-2003 @ 10:25 AM).]

peter
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posted 11-06-03 10:46 AM ET (US)     21 / 23       
We don't object to discussions about AoK. We do object to flames like "AoE sucks!" "What, do you still play AoE? roflmao", etc.
FireLegion_56
Clubman
posted 11-06-03 02:00 PM ET (US)     22 / 23       
I rember some people asking saying thoses things in the foumer. Aok is not much better.

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Dr Lorenzo
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posted 11-06-03 11:35 PM ET (US)     23 / 23       
Link, if you look closely, that's what I said.

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I of course meant bastard in a positive way! - Kor
I just sort of chop away at it when it gets long enough. The ladies love it. - Obese, on shaving
Lorenzo is kind of like that relative everyone knows about but won't talk about. - Crimson Knight
We already knew about the mass murders and gang rapes and ethnic cleansings, but now they've resorted to ENCRYPTING PEOPLES ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTS! - drahnier
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