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CenturionZ_1
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posted 01-19-02 01:34 PM ET (US)         
Following the heatd DM discussion between Kingkerry and curious I feel that DM discussions could be as interesting as the ones about RM between Blitz and Wedsaz.

So here's my view. Towers are the best asset to any player in DM I feel. If your civ has ballista towers you build them in key places where you have no units. Towering can stop your foundations being destroyed.

But some people say towering is only for Choson and Babs and cats maul the other towers down. Some say that helos are just as good as towers.

But towers have no pop count and they can slow down a cat formation till you army arrives. I think towers are the best unit in DM after catapult myself but I know many still think they are quite expensive and have little use except in early game. (Some people don't even bother upgrading towers.)


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Phill Phree
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posted 01-19-02 01:37 PM ET (US)     1 / 17       
Well in a DM situation with that stone sitting there doing nothing surely it's a case of every little helps.

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Noble
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posted 01-20-02 04:43 AM ET (US)     2 / 17       
What can I say but towers are in my view the best unit in DM.

1. Stops painting.

2. Destroys foundations which is very important and many games can be won this way.

3. Even against cats towers may survive for enough time for your own units to make it to the site.

4. Major offensive unit for a choson.

The list could go on for ages. Just think how bad would a choson be without towers?

Phil Shaw
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posted 01-20-02 05:56 AM ET (US)     3 / 17       
What's painting?


In a DM, if you build a line of forts, then a line of towers, with priests and villies dotted around, and the only way in through a small gap and a gauntlet of towers, NO-ONE will get through.

Towers are a brilliant uni- uh, build - THING in DM.

But villies are the most important unit in the game.

That's my input.

Now I'm off for a week-long snooze.

Noble
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posted 01-20-02 07:19 AM ET (US)     4 / 17       
Painting: During the first minute of a DM game if an enemy builds buildings all over his opponents TC.

I just finished playing a Random Civ DM. Pretty normal stuff, everyone good players.
I get persian which aint bad so after about 20 mins everything has gone more quiet.
I was now launching simple AE raids that were not doing all that good due to the many enemy helepolis.
Soon I have my whole TC destroyed by enemy scythes and he gets about all me villagers!!!
Why did this happen??
Since i had persian I couldn't be bothered with towering so nothing could stop em from rushing me bad.

So towers are all important to prevent rushing.

CenturionZ_1
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posted 01-20-02 12:16 PM ET (US)     5 / 17       
Watching some scythes fighting towers is hilarious.

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curious
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posted 01-22-02 11:51 AM ET (US)     6 / 17       
I can't agree more that towers are the absolute essentials for cho legions. Archers will stomp legs without towers. Cho towers are perhaps as important as any military units. But i'm not so sure if towers are necessarily effective against painting.
In cho war, while u concentrate on building towers to stop the painting around your tc (it takes a good time to build towers), your enemy will have built enough forces (from behind) to invade u.

perhaps it is because I'm novice at stopping painting but my luck against a "good" painter has been an archer or simply paint'em back strategy. Please let me hear your anti-paint strategies.

Noble
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posted 01-23-02 04:44 AM ET (US)     7 / 17       
I prefer the 1 tower stratagy since it may not completely stop painting but it can slow it down a fair bit.
In the world of DM right now painting is about as bad as cheating so most painters are not the best players.
curious
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posted 01-23-02 12:49 PM ET (US)     8 / 17       
Noble:
I can't agree with u more that painting is close to cheating but many "fake" xperts do it (especially with choson)and u cry foul but still have bad taste in your mouth after losing the game. hmm maybe i should get a trainer to wipe these guys out when they paint.
Basic
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posted 01-23-02 08:01 PM ET (US)     9 / 17       
painting is part of the game.... if u say no painting in a game its just like saying i suck at defending my town come n get me...
Noble
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posted 01-24-02 05:09 AM ET (US)     10 / 17       
I don't mind painting all that much cause I find it so easy to counter. But with ROR dying it's best just to stick with friends and well known players and if Painting does occur its all in a friendly nature.
wedsaz
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posted 01-27-02 04:29 AM ET (US)     11 / 17       
Noble:
Helepolii problems with persian? I'd recommend EAs or cats. I'd guess the best time to gear them up is after your first wave of AEs is on the move, since you'll either seriously disable the enemy or you'll need something that kills heles.
 
Your towers may not help persian as much as you think. Persian towers have 8 range, heles have 10-12 range, so they can safely demolish them and anything else that comes out of your town. They're still nice to keep your villies from being raided constantly though.
 
CenturionZ_1:
Towers vs scythes? Yeah, I like watching that too. Especially a network of cho ballista towers spaced just far enough that the scythe area damage is useless.
 
BTW, if your DM discussions somehow manage to be less interesting than my arguments with Blitz, I think I'll bang my head on a wall for entertainment. Or maybe try to get a high from hyperventilating.

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Noble
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posted 01-27-02 04:46 AM ET (US)     12 / 17       
Scythes v Towers can be funny but with a large enough army say 100+ scythes they can take out almost anything including helos.
mYsTikaL_mAnTa
Clubman
posted 01-28-02 10:16 PM ET (US)     13 / 17       
Sigh your all morons ..

Painting = Rook term .. It's correctly called land grabbing and a rook move

Towers = I don't use towers unless I am cho , bab , egy .. I am still not touched in Dm .. It's not what units you use .. It's how you use them and the speed you make them at

l2uSh3D
Clubman
posted 01-29-02 04:42 AM ET (US)     14 / 17       
LMAO! i cant believe when there's DM talk, every post/reply have the word "painting"! Damn you're all bunch of r00ks! First off, there's no such thing as painting (as what manta said its "land grabbing"), and second, towers just slows ur rush down.

Think about it this way, how long does it take for a tower to build? I dunno but im guessing it takes more time than to put up a barrack. I'd rather put up 3 barracks than make 2 towers 'cause that 3 barracks could throw off your opponents offensive big time.

Your point for putting towers is to destroy oponent oponent foundations, why waste time on building towers to destroy it when u can have 2-3 swordsman do it?

Towers are important but it is definitely not the most important asset.

And to the guy who said he got pers on a random DM game... d00d u just dont know how to use the civ... If u do it right, game would be over in less than 20 minutes.

feel free to debate ur point.

and to all the morons, blah blah blah blah...

curious
Clubman
posted 01-29-02 11:27 AM ET (US)     15 / 17       
Hmm...as for the word painting, it's a commonly used word on the Zone. Land grabbing(??),,, what the heck is land grabbing, never heard that term used on the zone before. But it doesn't matter which word u use as long as the point gets acrossed.

However, I agree wholheartly that towers can not stop painting. It's just too damn slow to build so you are better off building barracks or paint'em back.

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 01-29-02 11:48 AM ET (US)     16 / 17       
What, there's an official terminology here? Who decides who sets the standard?
CenturionZ_1
Clubman
posted 01-31-02 03:06 PM ET (US)     17 / 17       
l2uSh3D and mYsTikaL_mAnTa:

You obviously have no real Zone experience. No one on the Zone calls it land grabbing, even the people who play a lot. It's always called painting.

Towers not useful, slows you down? Rubbish! What slows you down more? Towering or getting all your foundations knocked out by towers?

And oh yeah, how come you both use the term morons.


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