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Julius
Clubman
posted 05-18-01 06:57 PM ET (US)         
Does anyone have any info about the interactions between the Christians and the Romans? I came up with a good idea for a scenario and i was wondering if anyone has some info about how exactly the Romans treated the Christians. I know they were persecuted and fed to the lions in the colosseum and crucified, but does anyone know what else they were forced to do and what brought this all around? If anyone has the time, could you please give me the most background info on the roman empire and the Christians? Thanks alot.
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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 05-21-01 05:05 PM ET (US)     26 / 36       
Never mind.
BlitzkreigComin
Clubman
posted 05-21-01 06:39 PM ET (US)     27 / 36       
I always thought that the dating system we use places Jesus's birth at 1 B.C.? Oh well... I've been wrong before (once).

(Here comes a Blitz rant)

Anyways I kinda feel like Julius with this thread. Some of us have an extensive religious background. It is funny/sad to hear claims of Jesus being a Buddist, or trying to conquer an earthly empire.

Nothing is documented with Jesus's life between age twelve and thirty. He very well could have gone to outer parts of the world to teach people about him. I just don't think he was "learning" Buddist religion if at age 12 he was teaching learned men in the Temple.

I don't really think Peter, James, and John were following Jesus to overthrow the Roman empire. They were simple men not learned in the ways of the world. They were able to accept Jesus as the Son of God and got others to follow him. They were "Fishers of Men". I never remember reading anything in the Bible about Jesus setting up warfare camps getting recruits pumped up to fight the Roman empire.

Jesus prophesied of his own death, and knew he must die to complete his mortal mission. He could have prevented his death and crushed the Roman empire if he wanted to. But that is not what he was on earth to do. Instead he was crucified and resurrected after three days. Ultimately this was a better mission in life.

(Blitz rant complete for now)


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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 05-21-01 08:28 PM ET (US)     28 / 36       
BlitzkreigComin:
I'm not saying he believed in buddhism, only that he may have been influenced by it. Some of the people he was studying with (well, more like having a convention with) were probably inspired by his ideas and background as well.
 
As for the conquest thing, I think there's a bit of a misunderstanding there. What I meant was that he may have been trying to get the romans *out*, and what he was doing was a very good way to start. You can force invaders out without invading their country you know. For an example of what I think he may have been trying to do, look at Ghandi - peaceful revolution. Maybe he was also trying to make it a democracy, and people tend to try and make their liberator into a king; if he didn't want that, dying (or faking death) and leaving a council of about a dozen as 'successor' may have been the best way out.
 
Was he teaching the learned men at the temple? Were they really listening? I heard they didn't like his views at all, even reacting rather negatively.
 
As for prophesizing his own death, the virgin birth, and all that... keep in mind that Jesus himself never wrote down his ideas, nevermind an auto-biography. The bible was written and re-copied (possibly with modifications) by romans. The fact that for a long time it was in latin (not Jesus and friends' likely native aramaic) should be a dead giveaway. Even if you're not roman catholic per se, protestant religions are derived from it; they didn't get their material from the original source. So really it's not even sure that Judas and Thomas were separate people, or that the former wasn't related to Jesus.
 
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The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 05-22-01 12:05 PM ET (US)     29 / 36       
Peter, there's a word for Brahmin in DUTCH?

Blitz, no offence intended. I don't know if Jesus came to India, and frankly, not being very religious, I'm not that interested.

Daniel:
LOL. There's no connection. Start a new thread. I hate thread titles 'roman empire'. (sorry, julius) This is the third one I've seen. The history of Rome wouldn't fit in a thousand threads.....

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 05-27-01 02:52 PM ET (US)     30 / 36       
Phoenix: yes there is (not very much else though).

There's a legend that Jesus (under the name of Isa) went to Shrinagar in Cashmere (hope I'm spelling that correctly) - which is supposed btw to be the land god promised to the Jews - lol - and died there. There's a simple mosque marking his grave.

Danielthemaster
Clubman
posted 05-27-01 05:58 PM ET (US)     31 / 36       
Your all wrong Jesus was born In 5BC, since King Herod died in 4BC, Blame the monk dustan for our extremely bad dating system, the millenium was before the so called year 2000 really.
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 05-27-01 06:12 PM ET (US)     32 / 36       
You mean the second millenium, since a millenium is 1000 years. The same length of time that the Romans had an empire , give or take a few - perhaps we could take up Phoenix's suggestion and have a thread for each year ;-)

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peter
HG Alumnus
posted 05-27-01 06:47 PM ET (US)     33 / 36       
Well - not so long, Rome's beginning in 700 and summat BC is a matter of legend.

Danielthemaster: I already made that point.

Julius
Clubman
posted 05-27-01 09:35 PM ET (US)     34 / 36       
What the hell happened? I thought this thread was finally finished and you guys are still going on about this??
The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 05-28-01 06:33 AM ET (US)     35 / 36       
peter: Ugh. Don't you ever read the newspaper, watch the News? "X people killed in KASHMIR." You're thinking of the sweaters.
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 05-28-01 07:20 AM ET (US)     36 / 36       
Lol - That's what ppl call hypercorrect - and please remember that I read Dutch papers, they write Kashmir too - then I thought that might be the Dutch spelling instead of the English. That's because the Dutch are pedantic enough to have their own spelling for geographical names - come to think of it, so have are other people (not meaning the personally btw).
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