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Topic Subject:Nineveh: Mission Impossible?
Enriquillo
Clubman
posted 04-02-01 01:46 PM ET (US)         
Last week I had a lot of time on my hands, and decided to play all the campaigns I hadn't played before, I had almost all of 'em completed on hardest. Then I got to Nineveh in the Voices of Babylon campaign.
Is this one intended not be won? I'm sure there is a 'trick' to beat this one too, like with all the others.

Can anyone give me a small hint on how to start this one. I don't really want to try every possible option and end up replaying the start a zillion times before getting it right.
I suspect it has something to do with landing some troops and priests on the enemy towards the west, while distracting his navy with your puny fleet

thanks in advance


"It has been difficult because we have so often been on the attack and not had the opportunity to defend" Yannick Jauzion.
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The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 04-02-01 02:00 PM ET (US)     1 / 21       
http://www.patdist.freeserve.co.uk/hintsheets/aoetips/standard/babylonia/scen8.htm

by Peter, Phill Phree, and Dark_Avenger.

The site is not yet up, so keep it a secret!!

Enriquillo
Clubman
posted 04-02-01 02:07 PM ET (US)     2 / 21       
thanks,

But still, since I refuse to play on anything other then hardest, there are just too many red ships and they're at my throat after 45 seconds or so.

Oh well, I'll try again sometime this week.
Thanks again for the fast reply.


"It has been difficult because we have so often been on the attack and not had the opportunity to defend" Yannick Jauzion.
The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 04-02-01 02:57 PM ET (US)     3 / 21       
Sure.

Haven't played AoE myself for months, so can't give you any advice.

[This message has been edited by The Phoenix (edited 04-02-2001 @ 02:58 PM).]

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 04-02-01 03:01 PM ET (US)     4 / 21       
Phoenix:
See you're doing your best

Enriquillo:
You gotta be real fast here - the real pain for me at hardest is not the start but finishing - it starts boring me there cuz it takes so long repeating the same actions again and again.
The walkthroughs in the academy will tell you that you're gonna hate this scn and they're right

Enriquillo
Clubman
posted 04-02-01 05:39 PM ET (US)     5 / 21       
you're right Peter, I just gave it another try, and the start wasn't so much a problem.
It was the countdown on the wonder that got me in trouble

I'll have to concentrate more on sending scythes then on expanding my economy I guess

Well thanks for the help, I'll get through this one sometime this week.

I'm off to bed, it's almost midnight here and I gotta get up at o-six-hundred tomorrow

C ya


"It has been difficult because we have so often been on the attack and not had the opportunity to defend" Yannick Jauzion.
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 04-02-01 05:54 PM ET (US)     6 / 21       
What the heck - scythes? You're supposed to play it with the original AOE - not with ROR. Anyway, if you wait till you got scythes you probably get into probs just by waiting so long. ordinary chariots will do well enough.
Dark_Avenger
Clubman
posted 04-02-01 06:30 PM ET (US)     7 / 21       

Hi!

Enriquillo:

It's such a satisfaction when you win on a scn or a cpn that you thought impossible. Have fun!!

Peter:

It seems you're able to see the hints at the Academy...me not. Will you make me a "copy/paste" of 'em and send me 'em by e-mail please???... (I'm curious by nature- LOL! )

see ya!!

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 04-02-01 06:48 PM ET (US)     8 / 21       
Hi Darky;

I can't get them either but a few weeks ago I was at a friend of mine and there I could get at it.

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 04-02-01 07:22 PM ET (US)     9 / 21       
All hints are designed to work for all levels, many were played at hardest for that reason.

Some are still hit and miss though - Da's hint's for Coming of the Huns are spot on but there are still times when I just can't do it fast enough. That's the problem when you get to hardest - everything becomes a timing exercise - keep going though, you'll crack it ;-)


My Karma ran over my Dogma

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Dark_Avenger
Clubman
posted 04-02-01 10:34 PM ET (US)     10 / 21       

Hi boyz!!

Phill,

if I can help for something, let me know(about Huns). You have a nice way to explain what is it at "hardest".(about timing exercise!!!)

Peter,

thanks for the answer. Maybe should we suggest to see 'em at the granary...?!

See ya!!

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 04-02-01 11:31 PM ET (US)     11 / 21       
DA:

The hints are fine, but because it's one of the tougher ones that requires timing, and is then made tougher by being on hardest (which makes timing even more critical), the result is that unless I do everything within about a minute of when I should I will lose. A few lapses in concentration is all it takes sometimes. I have won it a couple of times using your strat, so I know it's sound, but that scenario is a pain in the arse and always will be.


My Karma ran over my Dogma

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Enriquillo
Clubman
posted 04-03-01 07:08 AM ET (US)     12 / 21       
The coming of the huns was a lot of fun, I ended up converting all their priests, I must have had about thirty at the end!
Like with most scenarios, early towering is the trick to surviving the first 15 minutes or so, If you manage that, you've already won.

Peter:

What do you mean Nineveh is supposed to be played with the original Age of Empires. Are you one them 'rts-purists'?

RoR still has a lot of flaws but the original AOE is not even playable if you've grown accustomed to AOK/TC.

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 04-03-01 07:16 AM ET (US)     13 / 21       
I'm not really a purist but it's pretty obvious that the new units and the stacking of units in ROR can unsettle the balance in many scenarios. Nineveh may be much easier to play in ROR than in AOE for that reason - I didn't try. Stacking ten war galleys at the start so you can give attention to other aspects - bah. You can as well cheat. Think it over.
The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 04-03-01 05:59 PM ET (US)     14 / 21       
I don't think that there's anything wrong with stacking, Peter. It's more realistic and practical.
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 04-03-01 06:05 PM ET (US)     15 / 21       
There's nothing wrong with it - sure. BUT in the original you can't do it - and try to get 10 galleys as fast without stacking as with stacking. I simply mean that you can of course play an AOE scn at hardest in ROR and delude yourself into thinking that you're doing something dificult. But if so you're only deluding yourself. Playing that scn without stacking is way more difficult - try it. The start is so awful because you have to do so many things at the same time - stacking certainly lessens the load a lot.
The fact is simply that if you play an AOE cpn in ROR you get extra units, techs and so on that the CP can't use because they aren't in their per and ai files - you can as well cheat yourself to a photon man that the CP can't get either. Most ppl would agree that AOE is more difficult because you can't stack.
And this guy wants to play at hardest - remember? Well, let him play at hardest - in AOE. Hardest in ROR is easy in AOE?
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 04-03-01 06:31 PM ET (US)     16 / 21       
Playing anything in RoR that was designed for AoE causes situations the designer hadn't planned for, as Peter says the units you wouldn't normally get as well. It can upset the balance and destroy the way they wanted it to play. It's not about being a purist, it's about playing it the way it was intended.

My Karma ran over my Dogma

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The Phoenix
Clubman
posted 04-03-01 07:26 PM ET (US)     17 / 21       
Yes, you're right.
Caesar Constintine
Clubman
posted 04-03-01 08:43 PM ET (US)     18 / 21       
However, like in the AoE demos: "Bronze Age Art of War"

When I had played it in RoR- I saw slingers, yep... 6 or so slingers in the AoE demo level.

In relavance:

Some levels actually play better for both the player and the computer...

I must say I find Nineveh a hard challange to beat, but I will beat it over the summer--- it's one of my goals

Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 04-03-01 11:34 PM ET (US)     19 / 21       
Yes, that can happen - for a test I did a scenario where some Persians made some War Elephants - in AoE they were a challenge but you could defeat them. In RoR they became Armoured Elephants and I got stuffed. This often happens with upgraded versions of existing units, though it wouldn't have if I had selected a starting age other than post iron.

It's strange what people find hard - Niveneh was easier for me than Coming of the Huns. C'est la vie.


My Karma ran over my Dogma

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[This message has been edited by Phill Phree (edited 04-03-2001 @ 11:41 PM).]

Enriquillo
Clubman
posted 04-04-01 02:17 PM ET (US)     20 / 21       
Got it beat! It helps a lot if you send a suicide squad to kill that lone villager building the red wonder

Peter, I get your point, the thing is, I never played the original because the Gold edition was my first Age game.
This means I started playing RoR and haven't had to deal with the original (no regrets there )

I do remember some of its shortcomings because I did play the demo version that I got with my ISP cd when I first got on the internet.

I have all the scenarios beat now except for enemies of Rome, I'll save that one for later.
The yamato campaign was pretty straightforward, no problems there, finished that one in a day ( I was at home, sick)

I'm off to another forum, c-ya and thanks all.

peter
HG Alumnus
posted 04-05-01 05:56 PM ET (US)     21 / 21       
You're welcome
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