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wedsaz
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posted 10-07-00 04:02 PM ET (US)         
What are the most popular civs on the zone these days?
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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 10-12-00 01:56 AM ET (US)     26 / 38       
darius:
Trying 4-5 DMs with a DM expert has helped me realize that there is such a thing as expert-level skill in DM. It has also helped me realize that even at those skill levels, DM is still dumb and boring (for me anyway).
 
Now that this misunderstanding is over with (I hope), do I need to remind everyone what the subject of this thread was?
 
Shang, minoan, roman and hittite I was expecting to hear. Yammy I wasn't at all suprised about, they do have some good qualities for water maps. But assy? I assume they're used mostly on dry maps, but if they're popular on wet maps I'd like to hear all about it!

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sai_so
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posted 10-12-00 09:05 AM ET (US)     27 / 38       
I respect both types of play, RM and DM. Still love my Hittites

Also had a lot of fun games with Sumas...used to love owning a hill with suma cats and horse archers. Always got killed by expert players, sucks!! haha!

darius_the_mede
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posted 10-12-00 09:45 AM ET (US)     28 / 38       
I've seen assy on coastal maps, heck sometimes I like assy on coastal, that extra 30% is great for scouting. plus with the archer's higher ROF i can do a tool rush, or fast bronze and do a ST/CA rush. But i'll tell ya, a ST/CA rush sucks up more wood then a cheap hooker. SO my attack usally doesn't hit until 17-18 minutes into th game. I send a few CA's that I make ahead with my scouts to do some villie killing. But by the time the second wind of my army hits them, along with my ST's, their toast. And even if they wall in, players just don't seem to practice their walling techniques, they do real crappy, like walling right next to there wood pit, and my CA's can just shoot em down right over the wall. pitiful really. Even though yammay would be a better choice for a water map, don't underestemate assy. OK end of disscusion about RM/DM everyone. Some people like DM better then RM and vise versa. THats the way it is. Theirs no way your gonna persuade me otherwise, nor am I going to you. I'm NOT closed minded, I gave DM plenty a shot, in fact sometimes I do still play DM but you know where I stand. Thats that.

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[This message has been edited by darius_the_mede (edited 10-12-2000).]

wedsaz
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posted 10-12-00 05:49 PM ET (US)     29 / 38       
darius:
How fast do you bronze with assy, and with how many villies? Also, do you boat boom with them?

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darius_the_mede
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posted 10-12-00 06:16 PM ET (US)     30 / 38       
Well its tough to get a decent bronze with them. That's why the tool rush seems more practical at times. At least with Yammy you get the 30% villie speed, plus cheaper scouts, and the +30% ship HP, but assy only has the increased ROF and the 30%. BUT.... Shang gets no resource bonus other then the decrease villie amount. And assy villies move faster. So i find that very effective when you find shore fish but a little wider spread apart, where ordinarly it waould take too long for a regular villie to gather, but for my fast assy villies, its no problem. That comes in useful on wet maps. like I said scouting too is very helpful, and lion attacks. But I depending on my surroundings, go with a 16 villie tool, then a 18 villie bronze. Not including my boats. Yes a small boat boom does help, especially when your bronzing you'll be glad you made em in stone/tool. But I almost always "pass". I never stay long in tool, unless of course I'm doing a tool rush "duh". With assy though I tend to get 14 min bronzes witch I'm not too happy with, and I know I could do faster. mind you this is on a no reveal map. on reveal, I get consistent 12:40 bronze. Still can't beat m shang time though, but good enough. It easy walling with assy too, same as yammy. But Other then Archers, with you can onlt get bowmen with, assy is almost as bad as carth. Not much to counter with. So assy is pretty much a tool only civ. You could boat boom with em though, but mino would be a better choice for that. The little speed boost helps in stone wood gathering. quite a bit. But I like assy cause its a little more chalenging to play with. But I get a lot of wise acres who counter my assy with "Random" witch is a slap in the face. I can already see the taunts now, "I rule your assy with random" If they get Roman, or palmy, they'll have their steroid pumping villies with ST's and slingers jumping all over me faster then wedsaz on a balencing debate.

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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 10-12-00 06:37 PM ET (US)     31 / 38       
darius:
Assy also has cavs, short-ranged chariots, and camels all of which work nicely vs slingers and cats.
 
I think you try to tool/bronze too fast, back in the AoE days assy rushers used to tool w/20 and bronze w/22-24. Try making 4 extra villies in stone age, your CA attack will come earlier (and stronger) because of the extra wood, and you can even put 2 villies on gold in tool to add a few cavs/camels to kill slingers/STs.

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darius_the_mede
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posted 10-14-00 10:10 AM ET (US)     32 / 38       
Bronze too fast? I have to If I'm playing shang or persian. But playing against any other civ, I usally make the standard 22-24 before tooling. Thats true they have cavs, but the last part that I said, was more of a joke and not real occurences.

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wedsaz
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posted 10-14-00 05:15 PM ET (US)     33 / 38       
darius:
What I was saying is, it seems to me that when you bronze with assy isn't as important as when you attack, so having more villies may slow down your bronze, but if it speeds up your attack then you're ahead.
 
That would explain why the ancient assy experts used to bronze in 14 mins, they needed the woodcutting power.
 
I'd say start with 5-6 CAs and 2-3 camels, then add CAs and only as many STs as are needed. Another option could be to start with a cavs+scout rush and throw them off balance, while you research the wheel for your CA hordes.
 
Also you may want to build multiple TCs if you bronze very fast, so you can boom villies in early bronze and afford the wood/gold you need for your army.
 
Just some thoughts, don't listen to me though I'm no good with assy, I've had more success with other civs, even greek.

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darius_the_mede
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posted 10-14-00 09:05 PM ET (US)     34 / 38       
Success.. Greek? I believe that's an oxymoron.

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wedsaz
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posted 10-14-00 09:21 PM ET (US)     35 / 38       
darius:
I won once with greek. I never, ever won using assy. Thus, I won more with greek than with assy. I guess that shows how crappy an assy player I am.

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darius_the_mede
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posted 10-16-00 00:20 AM ET (US)     36 / 38       
Well just because you suck with assy in no way makes greek better. not by far.........

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wedsaz
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posted 10-16-00 02:00 AM ET (US)     37 / 38       
darius:
LoL! I think you got me wrong, the reason I used greek as an example is to show clearly that it's not assy that sucks, but the way I play them. How could you possibly think I was saying greek was better than assy? Obviously not, duh. I'm just the worst assy player ever born. I can make good allies lose just by taking assy. Well, not quite but you see what I'm saying?

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darius_the_mede
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posted 10-16-00 08:02 PM ET (US)     38 / 38       
Oh ok, my bad. I wasn't sure. Sorry.

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