wedsaz
Clubman
posted 09-19-00 09:07 PM
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What made my 12 minute bronze possible was the risk that I was taking, namely the assumption that I wouldn't be facing a serious navy in tool. Since almost all good players back when I was using this strat were assy "bronzers", it wasn't a big risk.
The key is to stop at 12 villies before tooling, waiting for the required food to come in, and make only 4 more villies in tool before bronzing. That is where this strat differs from other boat booms - minimal amount of villies, all on wood for more FBs.
In tool, the only upgrade you should get is woodworking. I used to put my 4 new villies on gold, but if you use trade boats (trading food not wood) you can possibly put some villies on wood instead. Whether you build an archery or a stable is up to you, I guess it depends whether you need tool bowmen or cavs/camels more for your early defense. I usually opt for a stable because a wall can slow most tool rushes long enough.
In bronze the most important immediate upgrade (in this strat) is improved bow, followed by govt center (for more TCs), war galley and artisanship. The wheel is not very important, since minoan isn't a chariot-based civ.
In the rare cases where an assy opponent is foolhardy enough to try and fight your mino on the sea in tool, simply keep making villies. Your bonus will be enough to make it a draw at first, and your wood income will grow proportionally faster per new villie trained. To top all that, you can bronze with very little wood since your main weapon is compies, while his is CAs which he won't have much wood for if he spends it all fighting your boats...
Where this strat fails is either vs strong naval civs with a larger number of woodies, or vs tool rushes early enough to be in before you get walls up. The latter is rare, but the former is common in RoR.
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 09-20-00 06:57 AM
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wedsaz:
I referred to the mechanics, not to risks.
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 09-20-00 10:53 AM
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5 / 23
Looks like a nice site, prhaps you can get a cuppa tea there too. But are you sure about that Minoa strat? Couldn't find anything about strategy there.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 09-20-00 02:39 PM
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6 / 23
Phill Phree:
It's similar to my minoan fastbronze strat, except:
1. They make 16 villies in stone to my 12, which would delay tool time by about a minute, and bronze time with it. (10 mins tool and 13 mins bronze)
2. They make only 2 villies in tool to my 4, and put them on wood instead of gold, leaving a larger opportunity for tool rushers to control their gold. In addition they don't wall, which opens them up to tool rushes even more.
Conclusion: slower tool, lack of walls and delaying gold mining to bronze opens them up nice and wide for tool rushers. The extra woodies would help them on the sea. Add walls and make at least 2 goldies in tool, and it would be less vulnerable, possibly good for RoR.
peter:
It's in the RoR section, where it belongs.
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 09-20-00 05:34 PM
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7 / 23
wedsaz:
I didn't quite see why the Minoa strat 'belongs' in ROR - except that here it's on a Medit map. Uh, it's not bad I think. Now what do you mean btw with bronze time - till you press the upgrade button or till you enter the Bronze Age? Fairly stupid question I suppose, but anyway.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 09-20-00 05:43 PM
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8 / 23
peter:
1. I think the minoan strat on that site is best for RoR, and not well adapted to AoE, due to its emphasis on warboats rather than bronze time.
2. I mean the moment you're *in* bronze, and have all these new improved bow, artisanship, war galley, and other upgrades to attend to... and it's not a stupid question, because some mean when they click on it instead of when they arrive.
Phill Phree
Clubman
posted 09-20-00 06:45 PM
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9 / 23
Thanks wedsaz, I just tried your variation on it playing RM against the CP and beat him on hardest, CPs aren't really into Tool Rushes so I'm going to try it with custom .ai and .pers and see how that goes.
Duan Xuan
Clubman
posted 10-21-04 11:52 PM
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19 / 23
Hi, Saiso. I wasn't here when this strat was posted. What was it about?
peter
HG Alumnus
posted 10-22-04 05:03 PM
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20 / 23
Welcome back, sai_so. Long time no see. We do have some of staffa's articles in the academy btw, maybe you can find your piece there.