wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 03:34 PM
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Dave:
The opponent you didn't see may have been giving resources to the one you did. The "tribber" usually doesn't show himself much, if you don't see one of the opponents, try to find him and kill him. He's either a rookie, a tribber, or iron jumping.
What civ did you have, and how many villies did you make? With minoan, 2 docks, 12 villies all on wood before tooling, another 4 before bronzing, I've done 12 min bronze countless times.
What map type were you on? In RoR, medit is the easiest for this, continental 2nd best.
Tenaciti:
Good times for a slow civ, but with minoan I've done 9 min tool followed by 12 min bronze many times. You should try it, it's very straightforward, fast and not very prone to map problems. All you need is wood and water!
I completely skip the berries, and go for a wood pit first. Usually my 5th villie, depends on map, goes to make 2 docks. I start puming boats, and make a few more woodcutters as food comes in but STOP AT 12! I then wait for 500 food to tool. I make a granary and barracks while tooling, and then a market and stable in tool while making 4 more villies. The result is a 12 min bronze with 16 villies and about 24 boats. I make my archeries while bronzing.
SuN_Cam_Popov:
Load up the scenario designer, and try 10 cavs vs 30 tool bowmen. Then try 10 upgraded minoan heles vs anything in bronze.
You really should read that strat evolution article on GX, you'll learn a lot from it.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 05:36 PM
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Hittite is slower than mino on water, since they don't get the cheaper fishing boats. Inland map certainly doesn't help, try it vs computer (aka no opposition) on a mediterranean map.
If you send 3-4 cavs to the tribber's town it's well worth it, often you'll find the tribber is still in tool with no defenses to speak of. If you destroy him or hurt him bad, most of the other opponent's economy falls with him and you've got a much better chance. Still, 1v2 isn't very good odds for a rookie. If your ally disappears 30 secs in then it's a non-game, quit and try again.
No, with a boat start I've done 9 min tool and 12 min bronze, not 7 min tool. Tooling faster than 9 mins requires a land economy, which with minoan would slow down your bronze time. Which one you should do depends on the circumstance.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 07:14 PM
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Dave:
1a) I send my 5th or so to make the docks+houses and the rest go on wood.
1b) Yes, I rely entirely on the FBs for food. Everybody on wood, no berry picking or hunting.
2a) I wall ASAP in tool, and if my land is accessible only from shallows I block those in stone age using docks to prevent sneak-ins.
2b) Strangely enough, I find most spots to be either suitable for a dock-block or wallable with the starting stone. If you can't block the shallows and your starting stone isn't enough, use radar housing, make 2 archeries in tool isntead of a stable, and be ready for a fight. Oh, and I usually put my barracks and early archeries/stables near my wood pit for defense.
2c) I used to put my 4 new villies in tool on gold, but now I'm wondering if a few early trade boats trading food for gold might free them up for wood duty. Boats can get food and gold, but not wood so I try to keep my villies for woodcutting.
3a) 12 before tool, another 4 before bronze.
3b) In bronze, make a town center near any forest, gold pile or berry patch you can find, and pump out villies like mad! You should have tons of food coming in from all those fishing boats, so you might as well use it.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 09:10 PM
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Elijeh:
Try it with minoan and only 12 villies as I suggested. You can bronze pretty fast that way.
HonoredMule
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 09:39 PM
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I'm about to test this out too, although it seems to be a high risk one. Plausible, I'd say.
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-26-00 10:30 PM
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I think that's called a bias.