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Topic Subject:Which civ is the best?
The Composite
Clubman
posted 04-18-00 06:01 PM ET (US)         
I have no clue which civ is the best. I always use Palmrayan. I don't know why. I just ended up useing it. I also use Roman a lot.
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wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-18-00 06:37 PM ET (US)     1 / 16       
Best against what civ, on what map/settings?
 
There is no best civ, it depends on the situation. I play palmy a lot myself, when I'm with good allies.
 
Good civs overall:
1. shang - Good in both tool and bronze because of the cheap villies, full bronze, very good for newbies because they're easy to play and if you lose a villie it's not the end of the world.
2. minoan - Best boom, cheap navy, good compies, full siege in iron.
3. hittite - Powerful army in bronze and iron, on both land and sea.
4. roman - Cheap buildings make them semi-fast, great tool-age tower rush, great iron with full scythes and full siege. They're a bit weak in bronze, but still a good civ. I hear their cheaper docks and buildings make for an earlier boom, but I haven't tried it myself yet.
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 07:29 AM ET (US)     2 / 16       
I'd say: For tool age: Shangs-Roms-Yams-Assy...In that order...Maybe Persians..Maybe

For brz: Shangs, Yams, Assy, Hitts, Minos, Maceds-Egypts.
I consider the speed u get to brz. Minos compies are easily counterable... They aren't invincible: they only got +2 range: I used to be a Minos fan 'till I found a way to get better :=)

For Iron: Hitts (with they full tech tree or so and they overhelming military bonus: they are completely a stupid civ in Iron)-Roms, Greeks,Minos (Romz in 1st cuz of Priests and Scyths---Greeks 2nd cuz of Towers and faster Cents---Minos can beat any civs in Iron cuz of their eco bonus except Hitts but if we speak 'bout Iron start, then Minos gets beaten by those 3 civs)....Then, rest is pretty much the same. Egypt on Islands rox (+3 prietss beats anything except some Hitts navy dancing).

Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 07:42 AM ET (US)     3 / 16       
cam u slow-ass rookie

j/k

The Composite
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 12:30 PM ET (US)     4 / 16       
O... Okay.:}
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-19-00 02:59 PM ET (US)     5 / 16       
SuN_Cam_Popov:
I'm not so sure about assy in tool age, seeing as how they lack slingers...
 
Yamato's cavs would have problems against camels in bronze, and for anything else they do there minoan is better. But, against a civ that has no camels such as roman or mace, ... YEAH!
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 01:40 AM ET (US)     6 / 16       
I'd play a game Yams Vs Minos anytime... And I'd not even need to tool rush... Yams are FASTER than Minos: end of story. Compies CAN be stopped.

For Assy: Well, no slings=TRUE. But Assy goes tool faster than any slow civs and they have clubs with armor I think ;-)

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 01:50 AM ET (US)     7 / 16       
SuN_Cam_Popov:
Double BS.
1. Yams are NOT faster than minos. I have yet to see yam do 12 min bronze in RM. Cavs can be stopped, if you can spell C-A-M-E-L-S.
2. Assy does NOT tool faster than slow civs. I have yet to see assy do faster than 7 mins tool in RM. I'd like to know what you do with armored clubbers against towers in your town. Mace is probably a better candidate for armored clubber rushing, their clubbers have extra LoS. Phoenie have more wood for forward buildings. I even had some good experiences with babylonian tower rushing.
 
I'm not saying you're completely wrong, just that you're not completely right.
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 05:04 AM ET (US)     8 / 16       
U never saw 12:00 with Yams? Then U a rook

U never saw 7:00 with Assy? Then U a rookČ

Man...Minos can EASILY be whiped out... And how the hell can you do towers? You'd have no villies left and I'd tool 1 min faster than ya :=)


...Oh yeah, I got it: Quarry :=)

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 05:36 AM ET (US)     9 / 16       
SuN_Cam_Popov:
I've never seen 12 min bronze with yam in default RM. I've seen many 14s, and even an occasional 13 when they had a good spot, but not 12. I'm not a rook, you are.
 
Can't you tell the difference between "7 mins" and "faster than 7 mins"? No, you're not a rook you're an idiot.
 
Minoan can't be easily wiped out. You're not an idiot, you're just plain stupid.
 
I seriously doubt you can tool 6 mins, let alone do anything with it if you do. Get a brain.
 
"Quarry" Oh, you're a cheater too?
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 03:16 PM ET (US)     10 / 16       
Come in Esquiline: you'll see if I'm a rook, and idiot or a stupid ;-)

12:00 mins brz: if you can't brz under that with Yams (my PB with 'em is under 11:30), don't come on this forum running your mouth as the "GREAT MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE", or something...

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-20-00 10:36 PM ET (US)     11 / 16       
You started with the insults.
 
I have never seen yam bronze under 12 without shorefish. I didn't say it couldn't be done, just that I never saw it in 2 years of AoE and RoR. If you can, can you please tell us how? (how many villies in stone and tool, approximate building order, etc)
 
Oh, and get off the "come to esquiline" crap, you know perfectly well I can't play for a good while. When I can, be assured I'll take you up on that.
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 07:30 PM ET (US)     12 / 16       
Hmmm, wait...

You brz under 5 mins each games with Persians...you uses Hunting, right?..and I'm not allowed to use SF (slower food than Persians hunting) to do my brz time? Hmmm, you're a weird kid ;-)

SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 07:32 PM ET (US)     13 / 16       
...Another thing: You've never saw a brz under 12 with Yams in the 10 years you've been playing the game...so prolly it can't be achieved: so tell me how I could do that? ;-) I wonder how :=)
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 07:42 PM ET (US)     14 / 16       
11 mins bronze, not 5 mins, and yes I use hunting.
 
If yams can use SF don't you think other civs can use it too? I assume you already know only 1 civ actually gathers shore fish faster, and it's not yam. In other words, I think if yam can gain an extra 2 minutes from SF so can minoan, shang or even greek. Please explain why not if I'm wrong.
 
Persian hunting is a unique advantage. They can still use the SF after there's no hunting left.
 
Still, I don't think even persia's speed is enough to make up for their weaker bronze vs shang and minoan. Against hittite is another story, because it's bronze units vs tool units for several minutes, but shang and minoan are fast enough to defend with matching or superior units. I think the same can be said in the case of yam.
SuN_Cam_Popov
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 07:51 PM ET (US)     15 / 16       
Persians is a tool rush civ: the guy who brz fast with that civ dunno much 'bout the game, sorry.

Minos brz fast: wow! only 12 reals villies...you'll win many games with that... You only goal when you play is to do fast brz? What kinda player are ya??? RoR isn't a game 'bout brzing fast only.

wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-21-00 08:20 PM ET (US)     16 / 16       
How many axemen does it take to kill 10 cavs?
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