wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-17-00 03:19 PM
ET (US)
76 / 84
Wicked_Spirit:
I played the game online for over 2 years. I also read the readmes, manuals, and any online strats, forums and other information I could find.
It's amazing what a network of even puny towers can do. I had an egyptian flooding me with scythes that didn't even get to my production areas, and a phoenie trying to get at me with CAs and stone throwers. I didn't fall until their persian ally got triremes attacking me from the water side. My allies were doing nothing the whole game besides asking for resources, which I still don't know how they spent staying holed up in their towns with no defenses... *sigh*
I must admit though, I *was* choson... other civs may have to go up to guard towers, I'm not sure.
I must admit, it was pretty amazing watching the "mighty" egyptian scythes fall like flies to a few simple sentry towers...
No, I don't wonder if those resources would have been better spent heading for iron. They were triple-teaming on me from tool to iron, without those towers I would have died *much* earlier getting triple-teamed by a persian, a (pre-patch) phoenie and an egyptian!
RomanGladius
AOKH DM Champion
posted 04-17-00 04:56 PM
ET (US)
78 / 84
The problem with Yams are they are extremely limited, and everyone knows it. With the damn camel, they pretty much have to tool rush against good competition. Tool is their best age. They get the full tool tech tree, great forward builders, and the best navy. But their speed boost is far from dramatic, which offsets their military might quite a bit. They can't boom like Minoan, Rome, or Shang and don't have the late-game those civs possess either. Their early bronze is weak on land without the camel for defense and only a cheap, slower producing cav for offense. That damned cavalry rush of AoE is just about dead these days against good boomers. And finally, they're a gold civ, so if they get tool rushed away from their gold, they'll be in big trouble in Bronze and Iron. Don't get me wrong. Yamato is still a top civ, but it is very predictable - axer or scouts with some slingers, scout ships where needed.
Blackheart
Clubman
posted 04-17-00 10:16 PM
ET (US)
83 / 84
network of 50 towers? i wonder what expert let him build that .... haha.... yeah right.... good one....
wedsaz
Clubman
posted 04-17-00 11:54 PM
ET (US)
84 / 84
RomanGladius:
30 cavs beat 30 compies? That's not what I saw, countless times. What I saw was 10 cavs hitting 10 different compies, the 20 others behind them waiting for their turn, and the compies concentrating fire reducing the number of cavs and thus the attack power. Maybe there's a trick, please explain. No, I'm not kidding I'm really open to possibilities.
10 towers is 1500 stone, 12 is 1800 stone. By the time the egyptian player ironed, I had mined 2 stone mines, almost finished a 3rd, and trying to secure a 4th. No, I'm not a super-player. Any available villies since stone age had been on stone, since I knew I would need those towers.
"Stop your BS"? Aww man, you're sooo positive.
Those 50 towers were covering all of me economic areas, the space between them, and where I was soon going to expand. My 1/6 section of the map was covered with towers. There was nothing "past" the towers. Oh, he did try to run in and kill my villies. His last scythe of a pack of 40-50 did hit one of my farmers once, before dying. He also tried attacking the towers themselves. No luck there either.
Yes, if he had kept trying the towers would have eventually fell. However, I had started ironing and would have had *choson* legions and probably ballista towers long before he could take out enough towers to get at my villies.
You're quite right, towers aren't a viable strategy vs scythes long-term. They're great short-term however, and although I'm usually careful to plan for long games, sometimes you have to spend a bit to survive the short-term. Without those towers in early bronze, the phoenie opponent's rush would probably have slaughtered me as choson.
Blackheart:
They weren't experts, only intermediate, and I never said they were. Also I already had about 30 when they got to bronze, and I used cavs, swordsmen, scouts, anything to take out the STs they brought along. I know RomanGladius, Hyper or yourself would have been more of a challenge, but then against experts I wouldn't have been playing choson in RM, and definitely not with those allies. If I had been playing phoenie or shang I probably would have won even with the allies (more like neutral neighbors) I had, but that would have been kinda dull right?